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but then the fact remains that people around the world will still interpret the Quran differently since there is disagreement as to what context the AYahs were revealed…therefore, it is the interpretation that matters and not which language it is originally in…
and again, if someone that has good command over the arabic language translates it for us…what difference does it make?
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That is Wahdat aShahood and is purely a philosophical issue and not a religous issue and has nothing to do with the creed of the religion. It was developed in response to Wahdat al Wajood, which according to the definition i’v read is pure pantheism and hence shirk.
Islam is not a philosophical religion, and it has nothing to do with philosophy at all. The religion was made complete 1400+ years ago, we dont need any philosophical ideas to improve our belief in god.
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The Koran is very poetic, it has many meanings.. Muslims who want to understand god shouldnt simply read the line and say oh thats it, they should also understand the meaning behind the meaning.. Yes god is one, fine, but is that all there is too it? Its not just Philosophy, its understand the meaning of the Koran in its depth...
Take for example the prayer.. WHY must I pray that way? What is the purpose of prayer.. The Koran says to worship god, but why do I have to worship god through those particualr movements that god prescribed? Why can I not worship god while lying on my back, or spining aropund in circles? The reason is that there is more to the prayer and the traditions involved in it.. There is deep meaning in every gesture and movement.. That is what you have to discover. Point is to have a deeper understanding of God, not just a shallow one which is what you are doing when you take everything for face value.
The Sufis will say that there is the obvious and there is the hidden meaning, for the lay men, the obvious is enough, but for the true scholar and those that want to understand Islam you have to try to grasp the hidden meaning...
Yes Islam was completed, but I think people who simply stick to the surface deny the true depths of the Koran and religoun. For you to understand the complete Islam, you have to understand it in depth, and the sad part is that the scholors of today lack this ability...
The have the same problem that you have, not seeing the lake for the fish that are in it...
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Do you have any clue..what you're talkin about? I can see you going in 10 different directions, in the above passage.
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The Quran is a good book…but it is not the only book. please read up on how much Greek philosophy has influenced islam.
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Greek philosophy has influenced Islam this was incorrect the purpose of greek philosophy and the interaction of islam was to refute the ideas, unfortunatly some muslims lost sight of the purpose and became enchanted with the greek philospophies and in one instance a group arose Al-Mu'tazzilah as a result of this adventure.
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I have enough off a clue too know not to pay attention to idiot mullahs and so called scholars… My post seems straight foward enough.. Im sorry if you lack the patience or the apptitude to understand it.. Your simplistic Islam is fine for you, not for me thanks..
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Greek Philosophy has noting to do with this… I find more similarity between Budhism and Sufism really…
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well if thats what you think, than god help you.
Were’nt you the one who was telling how you left Islam and how Jesus showed the light to you?
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Regarding the subject of the thread
First u should specify what the thing that is taught
I think that the thing that u r talking about is “Qura’an”….
]And at this point I remember the fact that a lot of people do not know what is the definition of the holy Qura’an, in Arabic:
هو كلامُ اللهِ تعالى وَوَحْيُهُ المُنَزَّلُ على خَاتَمِ أَنْبِيَائـِهِ محمدٍ صلى الله عليه وسلم المَكتُوبُ في المُصْحَفِ ، المِنقُولُ إلينا بالتَّوَاتُرِ ، المُتَعَبَّدُ بتِلاوَتـِهِ ، المُتَحَدَّى بإِعجَازِهِ
In English:It is the Arabian talk of Allah and is his sent inspiration to the last of his prophets Mohammed (salla Allah alihi wa sallam) which is written in the holly book and is delivered to us by continious succession-that is the best I could found- and which is to warship by reciting it and the one challenged by its inimitability and its miraculous.
So, one of the conditions of the wards to be Qura’an is to be in Arabic, and that is not for the sake of racesim but for the sake of reserving it from changing and to keep its meaning in the right shape.
So in order to learn Qura’an properly the hafiz should memorize it in Arabic or else he is not learning Qura’an.
The cause that a lot of people encourage their children to learn Qura’an in their early life is the promised blessing he will get from Allah for the hafaza :
“Recite and be raised up as u were reciting” or as it was in the hadith qodosy.
And for those who are asking deep questions without even knowing the siplest about the subject…. In order to study Qura’an well u should be an excellent hafiz because Qura’an in many of its ayat release its knowledge by itself so u can get the help for understanding one ayah from another or other ones.
I am here living in the UAE and I see many of our praying leader who are from Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and many other non Arabs, and many of them give regular lessons in Islamic issues like hadith, tafseer, shari’ah and other branches in their native languages (Urdu or malbari or others)
That’s all for now
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i didnt say greek philosophy has anything to do with this topic i was just responding to the statement about greek philosophy influencing islam.
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how will the majority of pakistani’s etc…etc …spouting gibberish in a foreign language help them to understand islam or its meanings?
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i hope so too…we cant all be as smart as yourself…learned your arabic and got a one-way pass to heaven…u go!!!
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too bad in THIS world u'll be treated like *hit by arabs.....u can pray to god that u be resurrected an arab in heaven........
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u want to understand then u should ask properly not by desrespecting my standards or other’s
when u stop “spouting gibberish” then i will talk to u pleased
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don not wory about u going to heaven because allah wont ask arabs if they like u or whatever…
said the prophet-salla Allah ali’he wa sallam- :
“no deffirence between Arabs and non Arabs other than TAQWA”
did u see any where in this sentence that arabs are to heaven directed or are prefered ???
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if i understood what u just said i woulda replied… 
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I dont know how greek philosophy influenced Islam… Islamic Philosphy, or atleast the Sufi kind seems more like Buddhism… You see tons of similarites between the Buddhist path to enlightenment and the Sufis transcendance towards god and the “truth.”
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Yes that is what I think, and honestly, only god can help, god knows none of our scholars know what they are talking about.. For your part, I think you should try to think outside the box and try to see the things for what they are.. May god help you aswell..
Jesus… lol… I was probably just trying piss of some of the annoying members on this forum who insist on being the self appointed judges of other people and their beliefs… But I wasnt saying that I found the Jesus or the light, but that there are also those who LEAVE Islam.. So no one should ever get the immprssion that there religion is so superior too another.. Its a grounding in reality, nothing more..