Learning Islam Parrott Fashion

" MOST MUSLIMS LEARN ISLAM PARROTT FASHION WITH ENDLESS REPETITION AND RECITATION IN ARABIC".

Many people are shocked when they become aware that non arabic speaking muslims learn Islam in ARABIC.

Thats right folks in ARABIC.

Most Muslims dont speak arabic.

They are being taught Islam parrott fashion in Arabic.They are reciting Islam without understanding it.

Thus they have no idea what they are spouting and is shameful.

I feel very sorry for the poor kids who are reciting it moving back and forth and praying without understanding Islam cos its in ARABIC!

Its just like British or American Christions spouting christianity in Hebrew which they dont speak.

Absolutely no idea what are they are saying.

no comprehension what so ever.

This is totally disgraceful.

Islam should only be taught in translation form.

The teaching of Islam in ARABIC should be banned in non-arabic speaking countries as then it is subverted by extremists and thus islam is being perverted by these exremists to pursue political agendas.

Islam is then translated by “self appointed religious leaders” who have an axe to grind or want to be in power thus distorting Islam.They clearly tell lies about Islam and its meaning to get power over their students in countries with repressive regimes.

The poor people then become enslaved and brain washed by these zeolots to indulge in political stupidity and engage in criminal acts including murder in the name of Islam.

What do you people think?

Am I right or am I right?

The teaching of Islam in ARABIC in non-arabic speaking countries should be banned as the students have no idea of the meaning of the words.

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what ?

i dont think most muslims learn islam in arabic..we had islamiat and it was in urdu :)

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We recite in Arabic...understand in our native languages.

I have not seen a copy of the Quran without an Urdu/English translation in my life.

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once a guy told me everyone must learn arabic because that is the language that will be spoken in heaven.

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It is very important to learn Arabic in order to properly/best understand Quran, ahadith and many other important works that are originally in Arabic.

There is plenty of reward for reciting Quran in Arabic as well. Therefore, to suggest that it should totally be removed from non-Arabic speaking countries may not be the best idea. Instead the schools should teach Arabic in Muslim nations (and Islamic schools in non-Muslim countries) so that the Muslims can properly understand the Quran in it's original language.

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I haven't seen too many Pakistanis reading the Quran, in Pakistan that is, with the translation.

I agree - some madrassa kids I've seen in Pakistan don't know the meaning of the Quran - they're just taught to read it in Arabic.

And forget the common kid who's not even in a madrassah. The master saahib comes to teach them Quran in arabic, and there is no mention of translation anywhere. I seriously don't think most Pakistanis know the translation.

Teaching it in arabic form is fine, because sometimes meaning can get lost in translation. And learning arabic to understand the real thing is also fine. But for little kids, this parrot style fashion IS common from what I've seen, and its sad. Parents should make sure kids are learning meaning along with it.

I think in today's generation things are changing though in Pakistan - people are realizing that Islam is more than arabic words they don't understand.

I can't speak for other non-Arabic muslims.

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If one is going to teach others core doctorine, or even basic tennents of the faith, understanding of a few key words in Arabic is neccessary, not the entire language. If one wishes to practice theology, then understanding classical Arabic is a good idea.

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When you talk about learning Islam, when you enroll in an Islamic University the first thing you are taught is Arabic. All Islamic scholars have a great command on the Arabic language.

You would'nt find any Islamic Scholar who cannot understand arabic. As far as the average person goes...the Quran and the books of Hadith, together with their commentaries are widely available in all translation.

The thing you are talking about is memorizing the Quran. And i agree most of the memorizers of the Quran dont understand Arabic, but they are not students of Islam in the true sense. Its an act preserving the Quran. Quran is'nt preserved on paper, its preserved in the hearts of the many millions of Hafaaz (translated: Protectors).

And no it would not be banned, its one of the most cherished istitutions in our lands :)

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But shouldn't a hafiz know the meaning?

Lets say you have a hafiz who is present in times of chaos. And someone asks him, okay, so you have preserved the Quran, so recite it so we can write it down, because all the copies have been lost/destroyed whatever (times of chaos, na). So, the person writes them down...but doesn't have any idea what any of it means. But all the translation has been lost too.

And there is not a goon in sight who understands arabic.

So didn't it just defeat the purpose of memorizing the Quran.

From what I understand, knowing meaning is optional for a hafiz.

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i read the entire Quran in Arabic by the age of 7. im no hafiz. i can probably just about read 10 Surahs by heart. but learning in mother tongue is essential in understanding the meaning and beauty of the Quran.:slight_smile:
after reading it in Arabic 3 more times to correct my pronounciation and grammar. i decided to read it in English AND Urdu. and reading Arabic helped me to read and write Urdu!!!
a few of my friends went and lived in Saudi/Lebanon/Syria/Jordan/Egypt for a few years to learn Arabic and Islam etc, and even thou the Arabic of today is not same as the Arabic of past. they :mash: have quite some idea about what the words mean.

my belief is that reading in Arabic first, is essential. then reading the Quran again in a more familiar language for its meaning is equally essential.:slight_smile:

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Back home, in our grade 10 syllabus, we were supposed to learn the translation of Surah Toba and Surah Rehman...word by word...and it was an experience....i think just reciting Quran in Arabic wouldnt ever have the same impact on a person as actually understanding the meanin'...

surah Toba is pretty scary....talks about Allah's "Wa'eed" for hypocrites, kafirs, mushriks, etc among us...It doesnt even start wid Bismillah unlike all the other surah's...explaining all of Allah Mian's anger that u can feel by readin' the surah....

Surah Rehman is sucha sweet surah....talks about jannah an all the good things about it....and all the good things that are there for good people....

i definitely plan to learn arabic inshaAllah!.....all of us have an advantage that we speak and understand urdu...and arabic is somewat the same...

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hahahahahahah

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You banish Arabic, how will people do namaz? You say your prayers any other language but Arabic.

Learning Arabic is easy, so many words have the same or almost the same meaning as in Urdu.

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i think the thread refers to non-muslims that most probably dont speak urdu…

also when you pray to God, what matters? WHAT u say to him or the LANGUAGE u speak to him in. I would think that it is ok if the prayers were translated in english,french etc and then read …

i just think people find arabic exotic in some way…and it is written very nicely too…

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Take one translation of the Quran and put it next to another translation, both English. You will find differences in translation, not just small ones, often bigger differences too.

Arabic words have usually many meanings. And a lot of verses in the Noble Quran have many meanings, a lot of verses are layered, I don't know how to explain, they just have layers which disappear in translation. The beauty of the verses is gone.

I don't know if there excists any hadith on wether or not one should pray in Arabic, but I can't imagine praying in other language! For one reason or another, it seems wrong.

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Non-Urdu speaking converts can still learn to pray in Arabic using books with the prayers written in fonetic Arabic, they can pronounce the words and learn the meanings by heart (hey if you can learn lyrics of popsongs by heart, you can surely learn the meaning of namaz by heart).

I've got some converted friends, they learnt to pray this way and some of them are taking Arabic lessons now. Most of them find it difficult, but they are trying and wether they succeed or not, they will surely be rewarded for their efforts insha Allah.

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Here is part of an article:

(source:Home - Mode TheReligion)

Why Study Arabic?

As Muslims we have a direct connection to the Arabic language. It is the language of the Qur’an; a fact referred to in the Qur’an itself in the following passages:

‘This (tongue) is Arabic, pure and clear’ (16:103)
‘We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’an in order that ye may learn wisdom’ (12:2)
While the message of the Qur’an is available to many Muslims through translations, in order to achieve a full understanding of the meanings one must have knowledge of the Arabic language. However, it is important to make the point that those who know Arabic are not necessarily better guided by the Qur’an than those who do not know it. A common misconception is that those who speak Arabic are somehow “better” Muslims. The following passage shows us that guidance comes only from Allah:
‘This is the guidance of God: He giveth that guidance to whom He pleaseth of His worshippers’ (6:88)

Recitation of the Qur’an holds many merits for Muslims. This is how we listen to Allah for the Qur’an is the speech of Allah. We are told in the Qur’an that the best occasion for recitation of the Qur’an is at night while standing in prayer. All recitation must be done in Arabic. Reading a translation of the meaning in another language is not reading the actual Qur’an. The true power of the message can be felt only when read aloud in its original language. A great number of Arabs converted to Islam upon simply hearing the Qur’an.

Mastering enough of the Arabic language to be able to read the Qur’an can be done in a fairly short period of time with some effort.

Many Muslims end their study of the Arabic language once they are able to properly read the Qur’an. There is nothing wrong with this. However, we should take into consideration the other areas of Islamic studies that knowledge of the Arabic language makes available. To this day many of the greatest works of tafsir (interpretation of the Qur’an) do not have complete English translations; for example: tafsir Ibn-Kathir and tafsir al-Tabari as well as books on Islamic jurisprudence, Islamic Shahriah, Qur’an and Hadith sciences, Sirah, etc. Many books of the great Muslim thinkers and reformers can be found in Arabic only. These reasons compel many to continue learning.

Characteristics of the Language

People are frequently scared away from learning Arabic because the script looks so different. Most students will tell you that the script is much easier to learn than it appears. Some will say that it is the least of their problems and that the grammar is really tough.

Certain aspects of the language do exist that make it an easy one to learn. For example, Arabic is phonetic. That is, you pronounce every letter you read and you spell words exactly as you hear them. There are a couple of small exceptions to this but you certainly do not find all of the silent letters and peculiar spellings as in English.

The Arabic language is often celebrated for its incredible flexibility. Most of the vocabulary sprouts from three letter “roots”. From these roots many verb forms are derived in a systematic manner and from there come nouns and verbal nouns and adjectives. New words can be easily formed making the language incredibly vast, dynamic, and poetic. One can also guess at the meanings of words if he or she knows its root.

Some Advice

Always seek Allah’s help by supplicating Him to make the learning process easy for you. Many Muslims who attempt to memorize the Qur’an find that with each verse the work becomes easier.

‘We have indeed made the Qur’an easy to remember: but is there any that remembers it?’ (54:17)

At one time or another we all encounter challenges while learning. Is it not the struggle for which we are rewarded? Those who find the language of the Qur’an a constant struggle may take comfort in the following hadith:

Aisha (R.A.A.) says that the Holy Prophet (pbuh) said: “A person who recites the Qur’an and reads it fluently will be in the company of the obedient and noble angels, and he who reads the Qur’an haltingly and with difficulty will have a double recompense.” (Bukhari and Muslim)

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Iv always stressed upon the importance of learning arabic. The Hafaaz should be the first to learn.

But the fact is we do not live in an ideal world. Hafaaz should be encouraged to learn learn arabic, i agree with you. But the practice of memorizing Quran should’nt be banned due to the mere fact that they dont learn Quran. The very idea is just ridiculous.

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One thing I find ridculous is how Muslims always point to the so called "scholars" of Islam as a source.. If all these people do is regurgatate knowledge passed on to them from their teacher, who himself did the same, then how is this person a scholar?

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^^ All sources of Islamic knowledge are either the Quran or the Sunnah.

So what is a scholar, you tell us? Name any scholar, from any religion and field of study, who was'nt taught by someone, other than the prophets.