Lawyers want Musharraf’s treason trial

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I can’t wait to see the day Mushrraf is put on trail for treason.

http://dawn.com/2007/12/09/nat15.htm

Lawyers want Musharraf’s treason trial

By Faisal Shakeel

LAHORE, Dec 8: Lawyers on Saturday demanded trial of Gen Pervez Musharraf (retired) under Article 6 of the Constitution, and passed a resolution demanding the restoration of judiciary to what it was on Nov 2.

The demand was voiced at All Pakistan Lawyer’s Representatives Convention held at the office of the Punjab Bar Council (PbBC). Representative of lawyers from across the country and students participated in the convention.

The resolution, carried unanimously, demanded the political parties should boycott the upcoming polls, apprehending these would be rigged massively.

It rejected the proclamation of emergency and the Provisional Constitution Order and refused to recognise judges, who took oath under it. The resolution also termed the judges who did not take oath under PCO the heroes of nation and condemned their eviction from their official residences.

The resolution condemned the foreign intervention in Pakistan’s internal matters, especially by the British High Commissioner, and demanded immediate halt to such acts.

It further demanded resumption of broadcasting of GEO TV and other private channels and condemned the Pemra Ordinance. “It is tantamount to strangulating the independent journalism,” it added.

The house declared Attorney General of Pakistan Malik Qayum and Sharifuddin Pirzada `undesirable personalities’.

It demanded immediate withdrawal of eviction notices served on judges, deployment of police outside their houses, observing lawyers could protect the judges themselves.

The house further termed the amendments to Army Act and legal practitioners and Bar Council Act illegal. It further said Pervez Musharraf was constitutionally and legally not the president of the country.

The convention also demanded immediate release of all the detained lawyers, including Supreme Court Bar Association President Aitzaz Ahsan, former president Munir A Malik, Ali Ahmad Kurd, Justice Tariq Mahmood (retired), Baz Mohammad Kakar, Hadi Shakeel Ahmad, members of civil society and political activists. It further demanded withdrawal of cases lodged against them.

It rejected the caretaker setup and described it as ‘B team’ of dictatorial regime. It strongly condemned manhandling and forced exile of Justice Wajihuddin retired from Punjab and police highhandedness against the lawyers.

The convention pledged the lawyers would continue their struggle for the restoration of Constitution, rule of law and independence of judiciary, irrespective of their political affiliations.

Earlier, addressing the convention, Balochistan Bar Council Executive Committee chairman Noor Muhammad Baloch said consummation of idea of Pakistan occurred in Balochistan, deploring whenever Baloch people rose for their rights they were either killed or hanged.

NWFP Bar Council representative Muhammad Yaqoob Khan said if Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kyani wanted to restore the image of army, he should arrest Gen Musharraf and produce him before lawyers. He added the government blocked television programmes like ‘Live with Talat’ to deprive the masses of awareness.

Hyderabad High Court Bar Association president Abdul Sattar Qazi condemned Justice Abdul Hameed Dogar for taking oath under the PCO and praised students from Punjab. “I pray the students of Sindh came out of MQM’s politics and worked for the betterment of the country,” he said

Lahore Bar Association president Syed Mohammad Shah said the LHCBA should shake off police from high court premises. He said he would move a resolution for cancellation of licenses of lawyers appearing before the LHC judges.

LHCBA president Ahsan Bhoon said the bar was not afraid of police and believed in one-point agenda of restoration of judiciary in the country. He added the LHCBA would take out a rally on Monday to GPO crossing, along with members of civil society and students. Bhoon assured the house he would effectively deal with the issue of appearance of lawyers before judges, who had taken oath under the PCO.

PbBC Executive Committee Chairman Arbab Ahmad Syed emphasised on trial of Gen Musharraf (retired) under Article 6 of the Constitution and urged lawyers not to appear before PCO judges in Lahore.

Pakistan Bar Counci member Hamid Khan condemned Justice Abdul Hameed Dogar for taking oath under the PCO and praised lawyers for keeping the boycott of PCO judges. He said that he had spoken with Munir A Malik, Justice Tariq Mahmood (retired) and Ali Ahmad Kurd, who sent the message of love for all lawyers. He said the lawyers stood behind Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry because he said ‘no’ to a dictator. He praised him for saying ‘no’ again to the Saudi ambassador.

PbBC vice chairman Tariq Javed Warraich said the PCO judges’ verdicts would not be recorded in the PLJ (law journal) because from now on it would carry bar council resolutions and articles by lawyers.

Justice (retd) Nasira Javed Iqbal, Justice (retd) Khalil-ur-Rehman Khan, Azad Kashmir Bar Association president, Balochistan Bar Council secretary and members of Sindh Bar council and Hyderabad Bar Association also spoke.

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Yeah... After undermining the constitution, the judiciary and calling in his goons to murder innocent people in Karachi all while he celebrated with his rent-a-crowd, is enough to get him a couple years...

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The only fault of Musharraf is that he is trying to be too tolerant. Musharraf should learn how to rule Pakistan. He is trying to give humanly governance to thugs and crooks, not knowing that thugs and crooks become vocal when treated in humanly way. Musharraf should know that in Pakistan, no one in power send references, that is sissy. It was mistake that Musharraf sent reference to SJC and gave disgraced CJ chance to clear allegations on him. Musharraf should have known that Pakistani way of ruling is to kick the person you do not like on their Asss and if they shout than just send them to other side of life.

If President had kicked Iftikhar out of office on 9th of March without giving Iftikhar any choice, than it would have been Pakistan way of governance. If lawyers would have come on road, they should be treated the way Pakistani crooks need to get treated. That is, to shut the media and then use 3rd degree torture, arson (destroying their property and possessions), arresting their family members and killing some of them, disappearance, kidnapping, black mailing and long prison sentences.

[Actually I think that if Musharraf was cleaver than he should have used corrupt Iftikhar for his own purpose (like BB and NS had done). I believe that a promise that his son Arsalan would be made ‘IG police’, would have made Iftikhar an obedient puppy].

That is the language Pakistanis understand and all past Pakistani rulers, Ayub, Yahya, Bhutto, Zia, BeNazir as well as Nawaz, used it on their opponents. Musharraf should know that this is the way most Pakistanis like to get ruled and they respect those who do all this. Could not understand why Musharraf is trying to be different than past rulers?

Actually Mush is doing wrong kind of governance since day one. Musharraf should have known that giving freedom to media, controlling and reducing debt on Pakistan, giving representation at people’s door, controlling police with new police reform, giving rights to women, stabilizing exchange rate, increasing foreign exchange reserves, increasing taxes, making economy boom … etc, these are things that no one appreciate in Pakistan and do not deserve, and many do not even like that, so he should have done what people like and deserve, that is he should have done looting and plundering, should have lived a lavish life and then give people what they like to keep them quite.

That is, Musharraf should have few beds. One bed to sleep with religious retards to keep them happy: He should have declared that Friday is going to be holiday and should have made law that any male not keeping beard and any women without black niqab with two holes for eyes would not get government job unless they produce medical certificate that they cannot keep beard or wear Niqan (that means getting a Rs 5 affidavit signed by notory public officer… like Zia did with Zakat). Musharraf should have also made all banks not to pay interest (Haram… ) and that would have increased bank profits, that Musharraf should have used to take loans and get it forgiven, hence eating up that extra profits and transferring them to Swiss account he should have opened for the purpose. …. And so on.

Another bed Musharraf should have is to sleep with corrupts, because corrupts are very loyal Bas***ds and never leave their patrons, so in time of need, corrupts would have come spending billions to boost Musharraf image amongst public, as today they are doing for NS and BB.

Another bed Musharraf should have is to sleep with politicians. That means letting all politicians to do corruption as much as they can and help them cover their corruptions. In this way all politicians would have been loyal supporters of Musharraf.

Another bed Musharraf should have is to sleep with western powers, allowing them to do whatever in Pakistan, as long as they give money to get it transferred to his Swiss account, and make sure that nothing comes in media.

If Musharraf had done all what I mentioned above to rule Pakistan, that would have been ruling Pakistan Pakistani style, and in that situation, Ifti would not have been any problem and lawyers would be praising Musharraf everywhere.

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^^ u r funny,
Mush has sezied his own govt. sacked CJ twised for not listening to his royal orders, gave karachi a blood bath using his goons, sacked the media as they were trying to convey the real pictures to public, banned the sale of Dish recivers, first time in history of Pakistan, females were beaten up by male officers (i personally think mush this as mush's achievement).
Students, Teachers, Lawyers, Reporters... who ever had difference of opinion had to suffer from him, and u are saying he is tolerant... either u r blind folded or being paid by someone to say that...

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Aap ko haqeeqat funny lagtee hay? :)

Well, that is what I am saying that Musharraf did not needed to do what he did. He should learn to accommodate all and let them do what they like :) But if he does not really like anyone, reference or tolerance is no good in country like Pakistan. Musharraf should sack or get his opponents disappear (send them to other side of life ... in grave).

And this media, dish receiver… all this BS should not have been something Pakistanis need, so Musharraf should not have given this media permissions in the first place. But if he has, a mistake, then to get rid of them, just give them hard time, get Owner of GEO (or any dissenting media owner) disappear and see how all would get quite or follow the line.

One should remember that for media to give Pakistani news, they have to be in Pakistan, and that means, easy target for ruler following the way of governance Pakistani deserves and past rulers use to follow, that means, any bad news and get them or their family member into prison with greeting of 3rd degree torture.

Bhai, one should remember that to control a sheep is different than controlling a wild animal. One should rule a country in ways that country love to get ruled :).

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Musharaf is truly out of options when his supporters have to ramble on and on forever, over things that no one in their sane mind would ever even consider remotely sensical or logical...

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these lawyers should talk about putting themselves on trial for playing with the peoples money and looting the poor and innocent, untill that doesnt happen they should just remain shuted up.

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Well, I think he can still turn the table. Musharraf should know Pakistani style of ruling, a ruling that Pakistani loves, and that is what Musharraf should follow too :).

Musharraf should make MSF = Musharraf security force … similar to Bhutto’s FSF. Their job should be to silence any opponents of Musharraf. Opponents should be bribed, if they do not understand than arrest and torture them, if they do not understand than their family should get tortured too, and even than if they do not understand than make them disappear forever. More MSF would terrorise Musharraf opponents, more popular Musharraf would become, as Pakistanis love people with danda more than people showing softness.

This is the type of rule best suited for Pakistanis, and believe me this is the way all past rulers, that include Ayub, Yahya, Bhutto, Zia, BeNazir and Nawaz ruled. Especially Bhutto and Zia, and that is why we have staunch supporters of Bhutto and Zia in Pakistan, because they both ruled according to Pakistani Psyche, that is give the opponents hard kick or get them disappear.

Believe me, security force along with learning to sleep with 4 groups I mentioned above, needed to govern Pakistan Pakistani way, if followed, in few months time, all would get quite like quietness one find in grave yard. Then after some time you will see millions amongst corrupts, politicians, students, lawyers, teachers and labourers, would start showing their love and respect for Musharraf. Musharraf would become hero for those who consider him villain today.:D

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Bhai, the background u are from, u are rite when u say that media shouldn't be freed, coz they have also uncovered the bloody face of MQM, and they have revealed alot about govt.

I dont want to get into long arguments, just answer very few questions

Mush and his fav. pals have been ruling Pakistan for almost 8 years.

Have they been able to control the prices ( as per todays news paper the wheat price is all time high) pleas do not give me the hanky panky of foreign reserves, people are living hand to mouth, what good those reserves are for ( apart from buying corrupt politicians)

Have they been able to give people sense of security, in other words are people moer secure then they were eight years ago? ( please do not refer to past govt. as according to u they are looters them selves) for ur easiness lets take out the terrorism out of this, and u can simply comeup with routine law & order.

did we saw a better govt officials, means was the behaviour of govt. employees got better in last 8 years, was the politician with Mush were the right people to vote for ( just for ur easiness lets exclude MQM out of it)

Iam afraid they are very tough questions for the one who still want to support Mush and his govt.

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And you were the same people who were whining when Naseerullah Babar jumped in MQM vs Haqiqi war and killed youth of Karachi. Talking of power of state and how to silent people.

Shame on you!

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Above question is not very tough bhai, why you calling that tough :)

Prices ... gone up by around 60 percent in last 8 years (Apart of State Bank data, Envir Beg, PPP senator, also quoted few months ago this figure in Senate). So, this is not bad figure in price hike, especially when wages gone up by over 300 percent. :) It means, average Pakistanis today is at least twice better off than what they were in 1999.

Politicians with Musharraf may be corrupt, but I do not believe that much corruption was done during Musharraf rule (as Transparency international data shows).

Law and Order situation, I think that over last 8 years, country was more peaceful than before (excluding all mayhem created by religious retards).

As for sense of security, one can see that in increase in property prices. One pay high price for a property to live only when one finds prosperity and security, else one sell properties (as use to happen in past) and leave the country.

But than, believe me, these are not important as Pakistanis do not appreciate these things. Pakistanis appreciate danda and want to see rulers doing looting and plundering and getting mega rich at their expense. That is why, all above achievement … if one call that achievement, is irrelevant when one talk about governing Pakistan.

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Well, I am learning :). Now I realised that one should rule Pakistan the way Pakistanis love to get ruled, that is to do looting and plundering and when people moan, give them kick and danda, and they would start appreciating. Good example: Bhutto and Zia, BB and NS, Ayub and Yahya :D

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You can add Mushrraf to the list. He had chance to exit the scene as a statesman & now he will be forced out like a despot that he is.

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Takht yea takhta ... that is not important. Important is that, he should start doing what past rulers have done in Pakistan, that is to loot and plunder as well as to eliminate his opponents using all means. Give his opponents lot of danda, else he would not be remembered as great leader and would not leave any legacy the way Bhutto and Zia left :D

Bhai, there are 160 million Pakistanis. Most are peaceful people. If Musharraf get rid of some few thousand opponents then nothing would happen, as nothing happened to past rulers.

Bhai, there are 160 million Pakistanis. Most are peaceful people. Musharraf is already getting rid of religious retards. He should woo religious retards, they are useful people, good for giving sacrifices, so he should make them friend and use them. On the other hand, if Musharraf would get rid of some few thousand opponents than nothing would happen, as nothing happened to past rulers. No one would even cry for the opponents Mushrraf would eliminate, but he should make sure that to buy loyalty of all corrupts (including corrupt politicians), and foreign powers. Musharraf should be selective. He should target Media owners, journalists, lawyer ring leaders, some judges, some politicians … and believe me, all will be quite, and it would be for good too :)

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Prices ... gone up by around 60 percent in last 8 years (Apart of State Bank data, Envir Beg, PPP senator, also quoted few months ago this figure in Senate). So, this is not bad figure in price hike, especially when wages gone up by over 300 percent. :) It means, average Pakistanis today is at least twice better off than what they were in 1999.
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Thats our truma, People don't have sense of implementing the numbers, tell me the 300% increase in wages has increased the buying power as well or not? i guess the answer is no. buying power of Average Pakistani has weaken and is weakening every day.
For. Example, a particular city might consume 100 KG/ Day of meat every day, given the fact that the population of that city has grown, the consumption of the meat has grown to 150 KG/Day... as per ur view, the city is progressing, as a commidity is consumed more and but one cannot make out from this that there is a development and people are living better. what we need is how many people was able to afford meat 10 years ago and how many of the are able to do that know... as i said earlier it is a tough and as i suspeected that u will not be able to answer it. and u were up to the mark

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Politicians with Musharraf may be corrupt, but I do not believe that much corruption was done during Musharraf rule (as Transparency international data shows).

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As per CPI index for 2002-2007 we are ranked at 138, only above few African and war-torn countries. if can consider it as a achievement then, yes ur MUsh has done a good job to keep Pakistan at this position.

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Law and Order situation, I think that over last 8 years, country was more peaceful than before (excluding all mayhem created by religious retards).

As for sense of security, one can see that in increase in property prices. One pay high price for a property to live only when one finds prosperity and security, else one sell properties (as use to happen in past) and leave the country.

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with all due respect, People of Pakistan are forced to hire private security gurads to safe-guards their streets, the price hike is in those societies where the developer promised tight security with guards armed with AK-47, and i think people are selling their properties to buy houses in these expensive colonies cause they think that they can be safe their. and this in other words means people have no more trust on GOVT LAW Agencies.

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But than, believe me, these are not important as Pakistanis do not appreciate these things. Pakistanis appreciate danda and want to see rulers doing looting and plundering and getting mega rich at their expense. That is why, all above achievement … if one call that achievement, is irrelevant when one talk about governing Pakistan.
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yes u r rite, becuase thats the only language which refrain people of Pakistan from asking their basic rights for security and peaceful neighbourhood. Which i believe MQM like org. cannot provide nor does MUSH, so than DANDA is the only tool left for people. they should be looted by govt.supported thugs and then goons.

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Here are some good examples from past: This is Pakistan. I won’t mention all, though we know what Yahya did in E-Pak. What Zia did to PPP all over Pakistan and especially to sindhis in Sindh. How BB and NS persecuted each other and also persecuted MQM. … and any opponents they felt they have to teach lesson.

Ayub style: Promise freedom and give freedom from life (death). :slight_smile:

Nauroz Khan - Wikipedia

Nawab Nauroz/Nowroz Khan, commonly known by Balochs as Babu Nowroz, was the head of the Zarakzai tribes of Balochistan. At 60s (Exect date not confirmed), Pakistan declared war against Babu Nowroz and his all suuportes. He started an armed struggle against the Pakistani government for liberation of Baloch lands (Balochistan). Ín this war 600 to 800 Pakistani solders died and about 200 Baloch freedom fighters died. At the last Pakistani Governament sent a Delegation to Babu Nowroz and requested to sease fire. Paksitan Governamnet promised to sove all issues. But later on when Babu Nowroz came down from mountains, he was later arrested by the Pakistani army. He and his followers, including his sons and nephews, were taken to Hyderabad Jail, where he along with his sons and nephews was hanged at a ripe age of 87.

Bhutto Style: Get rid of all who oppose and give them good danda.:slight_smile:

http://www.sarbaaz.com/history2.htm

National Awami Party led by “nationalists” Ghaus Bux Bizenjo, Sardar Ataullah Mengal, Khair Bux Marri, Nawab Akbar khan Bugti and Khan Wali Khan dominated Balochistan and the NWFP. At the time, even the Jamiat i Ulema i Islam of Maulana Mufti Mahmud (father of Maulana Fazlur Rehman) thought fit to join hands with the nationalists to espouse the provincial cause.

Baloch and Pashtun nationalists demanded their ‘provincial rights’ from Mr Bhutto in exchange for approving the 1973 constitution consensually. But while Mr Bhutto conceded the NWFP and Balochistan to a NAP-JUI coalition, he refused to play ball with the provincial governments led by chief minister Ataullah Mengal in Quetta and Mufti Mahmud in Peshawar. Tensions erupted.

Within six months, the federal government had sacked the two provincial governments, arrested the two chief ministers, two governors and forty-four MNAs and MPAs, obtained an order from the Supreme Court banning the NAP and charged everyone with high treason to be tried by a specially constituted Hyderabad Tribunal of handpicked judges.

Result: Lot of killings of Baloch, from 1973 to 1977 (until Bhutto was deposed). Musharraf should learn from past rulers.

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When I mentioned that wages has increased over 300 percent and prices around 60 pecent, than think how buying power would not increase, obviously buying power would increase as well as living standard?

Let me give you example:

1999: Anwer use to earn Rs 1200 a month (minimum wages in 1999).
Price of goods and services he use to spend on use to cost him Rs 1300 a month.

2007: Anwer earns Rs 4600 a month.
What he use to buy in 1999 has increased in price by 60 percent, or it now cost around Rs 1920 a month. That means if Anwer lives the way he use to live in 1999, he needs Rs 1920, but he getting Rs 4600.

Obviously, that means that Anwer's purchasing power as well as living standard has increased substantially.

Another example:

Chief Justice use to earn Rs 20000 a month in 1998.
Let say he use to spend all Rs 20000 to live.

In 2007, Chief justice gets Rs 134000 a month.
The cost of what he use to spend in 1999 increased from Rs 20000 to Rs 32000 (60 percent increase). So, if Chief Justice want to stay living the way he use to live in 1998, then he is left with Rs 102000 saving. If he spends that Rs 102000 on living, it means he would be living 4 times better than what he use to live in 1998.

Now, is that increase in living standard or not? Actually, because of this increase in purchasing power, people are spending money on mobile phone, motorcycle, TV, cable TV, and other durable goods, and that is why consumptions of all goods and services have increased substantially during last 8 years.

It is this increase in purchasing power that is increasing the price of properties and consumptions of gas and electricity in the country, creating shortages in almost all consumable and durable goods.

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As for corruption and propaganda of corrupts:

Brother, what you believe is nothing but propaganda. I am sure that you would like to know the truth, as no one like to believe on propaganda, as if they believe on such propaganda then they are getting used by those doing propaganda for their own vested interest.

Fact is that, Transparency International published result is that, Musharraf government is least corrupt government and corruption in Musharraf government is negligible compared to NS and BB government, a marked reduction in corruption happened once Musharraf took over power. You do not believe me, do you? So please read below with references, not references from media doing propaganda for corrupts but from Transparency International themselves.

TI gives perception regarding corruption of a government. Please read the report of TI and you will know that once Musharraf took over, corruption in Pakistan plummeted to non-existence. As compare to corrupt governments of NS and BB, Musharraf government is Angel.

The findings of comparative corruption perception by Transparency International from their own report:

Transparency International conducted comparison of corruption of six different governments (that is government of Ayub, Bhutto, Zia, BeNazir, Nawaz and Musharraf) in 2002, using 3001 people as sample size from major cities of Pakistan across all 4 provinces:

http://www.transparency.org.pk/media/NCPS/…tion%20NCPS.JPG

Sample size: 3001

Karachi: 1000
Lahore and Multan: 800
Peshawar: 600
Quetta: 601

The result was:
**Benazir: 48.7 percent **or 1462 out of 3001 said that her government was most corrupt (amongst 6 govt compared).
This is how the breakdown of people considering her government as corrupt was:

Karachi: 486
Lahore and Multan: 361
Peshawar: 232
Quetta: 383

Total 1462

Nawaz Sharif: 43.03 percent or 1291 out of 3001 said that his government was most corrupt (amongst 6 govt compared). This is how the breakdown of people considering his government as corrupt was:

Karachi: 402
Lahore and Multan: 346
Peshawar: 351
Quetta: 192

Total 1291

Musharraf: 3.17 percent or 95 out of 3001 said that his government was most corrupt (amongst 6 govt compared). This is how the breakdown of people considering his government as corrupt was:

Karachi: 29
Lahore and Multan: 43
Peshawar: 9
Quetta: 14

Total 95

Ayub Khan: 2.17 percent or 65 out of 3001 said that his government was most corrupt (amongst 6 govt compared). This is how the breakdown of people considering his government as corrupt was:

Karachi: 27
Lahore and Multan: 32
Peshawar: 3
Quetta: 3

Total 65

Zia-ul-Haq: 1.53 percent or 46 out of 3001 said that his government was most corrupt (amongst 6 govt compared). This is how the breakdown of people considering his government as corrupt was:

Karachi: 33
Lahore and Multan: 7
Peshawar: 3
Quetta: 3

Total 46

Bhutto: 1.4 percent or 42 out of 3001 said that his government was most corrupt (amongst 6 govt compared). This is how the breakdown of people considering his government as corrupt was:

Karachi: 23
Lahore and Multan: 11
Peshawar: 2
Quetta: 6

Total 42

Grand total: 1462 (BB) + 1291 (NS) + 95 (Musharraf) + 65 (Ayub Khan) + 46 (Zia-ul-Haq) + 42 (Bhutto) = 3001 person.

One should remember that it is human nature that they consider the current government as more corrupt than past governments. Reason is that memory of corruption experienced during current government is always fresh, so any sign of corruption is remembered more than what happened during past governments, and thus, in perception it seems that current government is very corrupt. Realising that, when perception is that corruption in Musharraf government is so low even when they are current government, then it means that most likely, real corruption during Musharraf government is lowest ever, lower than any past government.

Cause and material for Propaganda against Musharraf government:

But than in 2006, another report of TI perception of corruption came out. Since it was acknowledged that Musharraf government was comparatively negligible corrupt in comparison to NS and BB government, the study was done regarding corruption between Musharraf first government period (pre 2002) and second period (post 2002). Transparency found that 67 percent considers that post 2002 political government was more corrupt than pre 2002 government. It showed that even though corruption increased but not significantly. As pre 2002 government was negligible corrupt, anything double of that negligible would be negligible too (difference is that, from 50:50 … figure was 67:33 or 17 more from 50).

http://www.transparency.org.pk/documents/N…rvey%202006.pdf

Hence out of 100 percent:
33 percent considered MI (first period of Mush) being more corrupt than M2
67 percent considered M2 (second period of Mush) being more corrupt than M1.
Total = 100 percent

Thus it showed that M2 period was slightly more corrupt period than M1 period.

In another survey, completely separate from Musharraf government survey, TI made study that which 4 corrupt government periods of NS and BB were more corrupt with respect to each other. Or which of BB1, BB2, NS1 or NS2 was more corrupt with respect to each other, and result in percentage Transparency got was:

BB2 period = 48 percent of people considered that BB2 period was most corrupt amongst the 4 corrupt periods (BB1, BB2, NS1, NS2).
NS2 period = 34 percent of people considered that NS2 period was most corrupt amongst the 4 corrupt periods (BB1, BB2, NS1, NS2).
NS1 period =10 percent of people considered that NS1 period was most corrupt amongst the 4 corrupt periods (BB1, BB2, NS1, NS2).
BB1 period = 8 percent of people considered that BB1 period was most corrupt amongst the 4 corrupt periods (BB1, BB2, NS1, NS2).

Hence in order of corruption: BB2 period was most corrupt with big margin, followed by NS2, followed by NS1, followed by BB1.

Total = 100 percent

Now, how propaganda started:

Seeing second survey (2006 survey) and knowing that most Pakistanis are idiots with little knowledge of statistics and surveys, corrupt Pakistani journalists and politicians started smear campaign that since survey said that M2 period was 67 percent corrupt, it means that it is most corrupt period, but fact is completely different, because we are talking about 2 different surveys.

Example: Numbers of people are asked that which fruit is worse amongst Mango and Papaya. 67 percent said Mango and 33 percent said Papaya.

Similarly, numbers of people were asked that which fruit is worse amongst Apple, Pears, Apricot, and Peaches. The result was that Apple = 48 percent, Guava = 34 percent, Pears = 10 percent and Peaches = 8 percent.

Now only an idiot would say from above results that Mango is worse than Apple, because 67 percent said Mango is worse and only 48 percent said that Apple is worse. Reason is that, both survey is different and does not compare Mango with Apple. But that is what these people doing propaganda did. They used two different surveys and started doing propaganda.

There propaganda was so embarrassing to Transparency International that they had to come up with clarification of their survey.

Here is Clarification of TI survey, from TI site:

http://www.transparency.org.pk/media/NCPS/…tion%20NCPS.JPG

As for their 2006 survey, you can find that too on Transparency site (the survey that corrupt politicians used and paid corrupt people in media to start smear campaign):

http://www.transparency.org.pk/documents/N…rvey%202006.pdf

Please check these pages to see:
Page 23 … Judiciary is 3rd biggest corrupt institution of Pakistan. First is Police and second is Power. Hence, if I wrote that most supporters of ex-CJ were corrupts, than I am not wrong, am I?

Well, page 26 will tell you that in 2002, Judiciary was 4th most corrupt institution of Pakistan but by 2006, Judiciary became 3rd most corrupt institution of Pakistan. It shows that under disgraced ex-CJ Iftikhar, corruption in Judiciary became worse.

Page 27 … The reason given for corruption in Pakistani Judiciary is:
Number one: Lack of accountability.
Number two: Discretionary power - Free to take any decision.

[Disgraced ex-CJ was guilty of both. He did not like his accountability, and he always loved to use discretionary powers to do corruption and mischief].

Page 30 … Information regarding above comparative figures of corruption related to BB1, BB2, NS1, NS2 periods.

Page 30 … Information regarding above comparative figures of corruption related to M1 and M2 periods.

Page 43 … tells that even judges in Pakistan take bribes
Page 42 … corruptions happens in Supreme Court too, where superior judges also take bribes

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**Can’t say better than that …

God bless President for being tolerant with his worst enemies who have no mercy … May Allah save him from corrupt judges, ex-cj & so-called not-so-grown up politicans who wants to eat him alive .. :jhanda:**

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Re: Lawyers want Musharraf’s treason trial

He has done all that, and people are still out there protesting against tin pot and his actions. How many people is going to put in jail? How many people is he going to murder, torture and jail?

Mushrraf is a criminal of who deserves nothing but contempt. And, remember what goes are comes around. People don't remember thugs, but they do remember heroes. Lawyers, judges, and the people from every walk of life, who are facing brutal military tyrant are the true heroes, and they will be remember for their sacrifices, and not your beloved dictator.

When the history is written your dictator will join likes of Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot. That much is guaranteed.