Why is there such a huge number of uneducated Pakistani guys in the West? What is suprising is you see even people who grew up here, who are just working at gas stations/small businesses, etc.
What beef does our community have against a Bachelors degree?
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may be those guys working at gas station are just part-timers and are students full time or may be they are waiting for the offer of admissions at one of the university or simply they use this job as stepping tone to a better job.
i know some students who washed dishes at restaurants to save some money so they could upgrade themselves.
my own nephew worked at a gas station. he is working in IT and recently bought half a million dollar house. so, working at a gas station is not something to look down upon that person. it's my opinion though!
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from what ive noticed, i think its just the classic double standard.. pakistani parents are more strict with their daughters. they are given a specific deadline to finish everything before they're married off whereas the guys are more free to do whatever they want.. they don't have as much pressure and at the end of the day, they just need to earn money whether it be with a degree or not.
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Why is there such a huge number of uneducated Pakistani guys in the West? What is suprising is you see even people who grew up here, who are just working at gas stations/small businesses, etc.
What beef does our community have against a Bachelors degree?
Well, what beef do you have against someone who doesn't have a bachelor's degree? It's not the end of the world. More millionaires without a degree than with one.
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As a community Muslims are in their dark age. Would be nice is if our men were real men and taking the community forward. Instead it's our girls who are more successful.
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As a community Muslims are in their dark age. Would be nice is if our men were real men and taking the community forward. Instead it's our girls who are more successful.
Getting a degree doesn't define if you're a real man or not.
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Why is there such a huge number of uneducated Pakistani guys in the West? What is suprising is you see even people who grew up here, who are just working at gas stations/small businesses, etc.
What beef does our community have against a Bachelors degree?
I haven't found that to be true at all. Yes, they are out there, but it's hardly an epidemic. And the ones who are born and raised here who went into business seem to be doing well, at least in my experience and sphere of influence.
As a small experiment, I just went through my Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn and business email lists and out of around 400 or so contacts, about 80 were desi (Indian and Pakistani) men, out of which I only counted about 10 that I know never finished their bachelors degree and went either straight into some sort of business or techinical/IT/computer related certification only.
That's hardly a huge amount.
Of all the unmarried young men I know right now (cousins, relatives, guys from the masjid youth group for which I'm an advisor), they are all either in Uni, graduated with their bachelors and now working on Masters/graduate school or already done with both.
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That's your social circle. Yay for you. Things are different outside in other areas of the world.
Vast majority of the muslim population worldwide = uneducated. That's a fact.
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I don’t think so PCG, take a sampling here on GS as well…of the regular male posters, I’m pretty sure most of them hold at least a wbachelors degree or the younger ones are still in Uni.
I’ll agree to disagree. My experiences and network is not limited to just my zipcode and I still stand by assertion that the worldwide Pakistani commumity is not in dire straits when it comes to educating men/larkay/boys.
What about learning from the university of life?
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i am going to Hogwarts for learning magic. would that work?
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Vast majority of the muslim population worldwide = uneducated. That's a fact.
Are we now talking about Muslim population in general worldwide OR are we still talking about Pakistani guys in the West specifically as per your original post?
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I think you're looking at more of a class difference than anything else.
There was a certain amount of brain drain from my school/agegroup from those people who chose to stay behind after a western education but a lot of people came back (And even those who did stay behind got into multinationals and don't stick to one country for too long).
Some of Pakistan returnees were the Yale/Harvard types so their choice was quite curious but money just wasn't a priority for those people. They can come and go to whatever country they please. For those who're sticking to petrol pumps are those for whom money is not easy come easy go as the other boys. Their getting way more for their limited skills in the west then in Pakistan.
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PCG, your problem is that you try to pigeon hole everyone into a certain category, there is no gray area with you. Just because a guy has a degree doesn't mean he's 'educated' and vice versa. I've seen PLENTY of guys with doctorates who still act like uneducated gits and by the same token, I've seen plenty of guys with no degrees who are intellectuals (I was one of them btw, I didn't get a degree until much later in life and that too for the formality, I was already in a thriving career when I finished my bachelors, I dropped out of college my first two attempts). So you can't judge a man to be a real man or a loser based on whether or not he has a degree. Not everyone is the same, not everyone can be categorized, you have specific needs which you base on assumptions of your very limited interactions with desi men in the USA. I think you just need to be able to look beyond the superficial, which you seem to focus on much more than what's inside. Good luck.
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Why is there such a huge number of uneducated Pakistani guys in the West? What is suprising is you see even people who grew up here, who are just working at gas stations/small businesses, etc.
What beef does our community have against a Bachelors degree?
Do you live in or near a desi ghetto?
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PCG, its not that easy.
Some of these families you may be referring to were not too well off to begin with. They came here with limited resources and their children ended up joining the work force to help dad pay bills so their family could survive. The girls ended up finishing up school because they had the support of dad and brothers...the boys became men...once they started working it became harder and harder to go back to school.
This is the story of majority of the larkay you're coming across.
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Yep that definitely factors in a lot of situations Reha. My family has been here since 1970 and dad built himself before he married. So when I was born bills were getting paid and food on the table. I never had to take a part time job to support the family. Or to support my schooling needs. School projects cost money and there is cost in having kids in general.
Some families - the parents could not shoulder the costs so the boys were made to work. Some completed a degree, others didn't. Many didn't have the energy to do higher level of education. I think that's why you see so many bachelor in computer science types - easy way to get a reliable job with a bachelors degree. Other majors don't give you that.
And then the really awful guys in the market...I think they just never survived the bullying in school and came under wrong influences. I've talked to a couple that have a pretty ridiculous past and they're realizing it now in their 30's...
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Why is there such a huge number of uneducated Pakistani guys in the West? What is suprising is you see even people who grew up here, who are just working at gas stations/small businesses, etc.
What beef does our community have against a Bachelors degree?
I dont think your community has any beef against a bachelors degree. I think the case is more that you are looking for a specific type of guy but you are looking in places where you wont find that type. You may or may not have met more Pakistani guys than me, more likely the former, however all that I have met or heard of either have a degree or working towards it. You have to remember though things are not as easy as the 1970s when your parents first moved here. You've never had to work part time to support your family, me neither. But we shouldn't forget that there are more who are not born into such privilege and have to often put their ambitions aside to help support their families and put food on the table; I think you will agree that this responsibility falls on guys more often than it falls on girls. This delays, sometimes indefinitely, the degrees of many. Furthermore, as far as I understand, degrees in USA arent exactly cheap. This makes it impractical for many to pursue a degree; they cannot forsake their financial responsibility to pursue education. Nowadays the cost of education is
However, that's not to say this happens to all guys. You are looking for an educated guy with a bachelors degree or more. There's nothing wrong with that. You may feel like all the "good educated guys" are taken early but to think that in their 30s, the only single guys are the uneducated ones is quite unfair. It may be the case that you are looking in the wrong place or you need to re-evaluate your expectations based on your circumstances. Where people are currently in their life has A LOT to do with the privileges (or lack thereof) that they were born into. I am very close to a few Pakistanis who have had to slow down their degree so that they may be able to work and help the family with bills, mortgage repayments, education of younger kids, etc. Once you've made it to uni, I dont care what anybody says, getting your degree is very simple and easy. You have defined coursework set by the university, all you have to do is pay, study, and complete. Facing the problems mentioned above builds character and allows for men to mature at a much faster rate, particularly in the west.