Lara the greatest among his peers

Roundtable: How good is the modern batsman?

‘Lara the greatest among his peers’

Jamie Alter in Mumbai

November 4, 2006

Having to name one “great” batsman from among three contemporary favourites is a tricky task at any time. Yet a high-profile panel of former greats stuck its collective neck out and **picked Brian Lara over Ricky Ponting and Sachin Tendulkar for his ability to dominate attacks consistently and over a period of time. **

The panel - John Wright, Ian Chappell, Tony Greig and Ravi Shastri - had gathered for Cricinfo’s fortnightly discussion The Round Table, hosted by Sanjay Manjrekar. Saturday’s discussion, part of the new audio service, Cricinfo Talk, was debating the question, How good is the modern batsman?

The issue was discussed under the canvas of four trends: One, the fact that the 2006 Champions Trophy has served up only one score in excess of 300; two, that perhaps this was the golden age of batting pitches; three, that techniques were not being tested enough; and four, that averages belied sheer batting talent.

All four panelists immediately identified the change in the nature of Indian pitches during the Champions Trophy. While the prolonged monsoon yielded an under-prepared pitch in the earlier games at Mumbai’s Brabourne Stadium, the last few matches at the other venues had ball dominate bat for an altogether un-Indian reason - bounce and carry.

Wright, the former New Zealand opener and India coach, noted how pitches today were marketed differently, and how curators were attempting to suit various conditions. Chappell and Shastri singled out Daljit Singh, the curator of the PCA Stadium in Mohali, for praise for his effective work on a pitch that “produced an even contest, and good matches” and was “the best” in India.

Shastri highlighted how the Mohali pitch had exposed India’s batsmen - with bounce and carry, and some lateral movement - against Australia and how, as a result of a lack of sixes, India were forced to push for the ones and twos but failed to do so in the manner that Australia did.

Another factor raised was that of the one bouncer per over rule, which Shastri favoured. “It’s a good rule, because it gives the bowler a chance to dictate terms and leave that doubt in the batsman’s mind,” he said. Noted Wright, “The front-foot play was diminished considerably. Batsmen needed to rely more on technical expertise, such as balance and shot control. Survival on flatter pitches is easier, but we saw with the bounce and movement than many batsmen struggled. It was quite unlike Indian conditions.”

Greig summed it up - “It’s simple: the pitches play up, the batsmen struggle” - while commenting on how batsmen weaned on flat pitches were suddenly finding unpredictable surfaces tough to handle. All four experts agreed that the Champions Trophy had exposed certain modern day batsmen.

In 2006, there have been 12 batsmen who averaged over 50, around three times the number of even a decade ago. So how does this square with the notion of declining quality? The consensus was that batsmen in the contemporary era were up against weaker bowling as against batsmen till the mid-1990s. Chappell was quick to point out that he would have included Mark Taylor and Michael Slater as the opening pair in an all-time Australian XI over Matthew Hayden and Justin Langer, for their ability to dominate quality bowling attacks. He gave the example of Hayden, whose average soon after he debuted at the international level was in the 20s and who couldn’t progress beyond a certain level. On his phenomenal return, notably in the series against India in 2001, Hayden averaged in the 60s and Chappell noted how this could have been because of the difference in bowling quality.

“Teams like Zimbabwe and Bangladesh have diluted the bowling,” said Chappell. “If you look back at the '90s, you had a more formidable bowling attack going up against batsmen. You had Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis operating in tandem, Allan Donald was there, Australia, as they’ve almost always done, had a formidable attack, and even West Indies had Curtley Ambrose and Courtney Walsh. Today, that’s not the case, as the pace just isn’t there.”

Pace brought up the issue of helmets. It was argued that today’s batsmen relied too much on safety precautions. Wright, having played just a small amount of his cricket without a helmet, pointed to successful batsman like Gary Sobers, Greg Chappell and Viv Richards, who not only scored runs against very fast bowlers while batting without helmets, but also dominated attacks.

Chappell was emphatic: “I didn’t ever honestly think that a bowler was going to bowl to hit me. We backed our instincts and our skills. The only way I ever thought I’d get hit on the head was by my own mistake, if I’d top-edge a hook back onto my skull.” Greig stressed on how the batsman’s courage was not being tested enough, and that certain aspects of batting had gone astray.

So how does one identify greatness? It’s a feel that one gets from watching a batsman, was the consensus, and the statistics usually back it up. Shastri pointed out that while technique and ability were definite criteria, what mattered most was consistency.

The panelists were asked to name their greats, and the common names from the past included the two Richards, Garry Sobers, Graeme Pollock, for their ability to score consistently throughout their careers.

**And so to Tendulkar, Lara and Ponting. The panel’s choice was clear, Lara over Ponting. Sunday’s face-off just got more interesting. **

Jamie Alter is editorial assistant of Cricinfo

© Cricinfo

Source: http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/westindies/content/story/266879.html


Lara Lara :dhimpak:. Different class altogether.

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That is their personal choice for me Tendulkar is a far better batsmen than Lara.

Tendulkar out of the current lot and my all time great is Viv Richards.

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Lara has more flair and is more exciting to watch compared to Tendulkar.

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The reverse is true for me.

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Lara definitely is better than Tendulkar. Although Tendulkar is perhaps statistically a little better than Lara, but the flair shown by Lara is unique. When in full flow, I'd rather see Lara batting than Sachin.

Sachin has scored numerous hundreds but none can compare to the dominance as shown by Lara in his 277 against Australia in Australia or the 375 and 400 against England. Those are memorable innings.

One person I'm missing here is certainly Steve Waugh. He too is in the same category as Lara, Sachin and is for me better than Ponting

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Damn I hate not to differ with Ehsan bhai and start an argument but for a change I would go with his opinion. Personally I also feel Sachin is a better batsman the Lara. The flair of Sachin is unmatched, the way he dominated attacks all these years puts up in a different class.

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:hayaa:

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I actually disagree with both of you, Lara to me is better player than Sachin, Lara’s match winning ness did not change neither with time nor with change in batting order over a good part of 13 year, sachin however needed to be promoted up the order and it was him opening the inning where he established himself as a great batsman and after year 2000, his affectiveness as batsman and as match winning player fell every year as a batsman. so it is Lara who to me is better player of two, technique+affectiveness+class, not that sachin lacks in these traits, but Lara has always been ahead of Sachin overall.

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^ Never mind Nikema one day we will agree on something. :D

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Ok how come we are not talking about ponting.....new DON

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When you talk purley as batsman I dont agree that playing match winning innigs have a bearing on a batsman class soley as a good batsman. His temprament might be better but that doesnt mean he is as good a player. Just cause Andy Flower was not able to play many match winning knocks doesnt make him a bad batsman.

Apart from lacking the fitness and temprament to play very long innings in test matches Sachin outshines Lara. Not that Lara is a bad player, he is one of the all time greats but Sachin is right up there with some of the best who ever played the game as evident from the fact that the great Don stated Sachin is the closest thing to himself. If long innings was the sole criteria then every tripple centurion have to be a better player then Sachin. If match winning innings was the criteria then % wise Inzamam is probably a better player then Sachin as well. Purley at batting talent Sachin stands head and shoulder above the rest of his peers.

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greatness of a player is when he plays for the team and his innings should always have an impact on his team winning or loosing. i cannot think of many innings from sacchin where he really was the difference in leading his side for victory ,in fact i can find a lot more innings where he should have been a factor in his side winning but he was no where to be found. I cannot say the same thing for Lara. not only that Lara has a special Charisma to his style of batting. watching an elegant lefty is always far better then watching a righty.

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coming back to this thread, i think Lara today showed why he is the greatest among his peers, and possible the greatest ever

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I agree with those who say that Lara is better than Tendulkar, however, as far as todays innings, its a very good knock but far far behind his other centuries. Don't forget this is docile pitch, if i am not wrong Sehwag scored triple century here.

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Not really following the current test series but did decide to watch bit of the action just to see the the great man in action.Lara showed who the true legend is to the Multan crowd and those watching around the World.

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He is a great batsmen but doesn't even come close to the greatest ever, as to the Multan pitch even Sehwag scored 300 and now Lara is 196, one thing common amongst the innings of both of them, the amount of chances they got. If Lara had played a chanceless innings than yes I would have considered this a great innings. However, if you give a very good batsmen like him two or three lives he is bound to score, docile pitch or not.

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Has the Multan pitch always been like this?

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^ No last time i made triple 100 there it was quite difficult to bat on :D

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aray DC6 ..r u kidding...

I remember the time I made 400+ there it was so easy...

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but then I woke up
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Lara Dutta is the greatest.....