Lal Masjid to start attacking CD shops! Welcome to the New Pakistan.

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What? Who told you that? :) hmmmm well, I am lota and I can support anyone ;)

Well, joking sister. Actually I do not suport any party or individuals. I support 'Hope' and I have a dream. Just hope and dream. My hopes and my dreams are that Pakistan develops enough that no one need to come to west to earn their living :)

My hopes and dreams are that, all in Pakistan can live the life they would like to live, without any fear, or without anyone forcing on others their ideology or interpretations of Islam. My hopes and dreams are that Pakistan becomes a tolerant society, where people live and let others live. I would love to see that Pakistanis live the way they like to, but stand for the rights of others so that others can live the way they (others) would like to. As long as no one interferes in the life of others, I am happy and my dreams fulfilled.

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Its not just the CD shops
They have passed the verdict about barber shops as well
A barber who shaves anyone will be dealt with, according to Lal Masjid Book of Sharia

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So does everyone else. The facts dont change, just cause you call it taxes or whatever.

The fact is, the only folks who pay their charities at Lal Masjid...are those who believe in what lal masjid is doing at the moment.

WRONG!! They interfere in the lives of anyone who doesn't agree with their system of life, which is Democracy and Capitalism.

The sad part is Muslims have yet to understand the true reality of Islam. They are still lost in their own lil theory where Islam is only a religion and a religion is a person's own private affair and one should not interfere in anyone else's business.

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is attacking cd shops and breaking cds a true reality of Islam in your view? I disagree.

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Oh..the atrocity!!

:rolleyes:

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They were warned first.

The Shariah doesn't permit any of the stuff they sell in those shops, except for any of the religous or educational cds they might be selling.

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so any tom dick and harry can go enforce what they think is shariah?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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^ Shariah is only enforced by the rulers of the land. The country where they live has a legal system they need to live with or move the hell out.

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Yes, if those "tom, dick and harry" happen to be people of knowledge and common sense...which in this case they are.

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^ Shariah is only enforced by the rulers of the land. The country where they live has a legal system they need to live with or move the hell out.
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May be in Shiaism...certainly not in Islam.

Did the Prophet not return to Makkah to conquer it and change its legal system?

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He conquered it, became its ruler, then changed its legal system, which is my point. He did not send people from Medina into Mecca (or say villages that did not accept his rule over them) to smash up idols then hide in a little corner.

Either they declare war on the state, depose of the current government then impose their version of shariah on it. otherwise their closest Islamic (or Wahhabism :) ) precedent is that of the Khaarjies.

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by whose perspective?
secondly, if someone is knowledgeable, does it give this persona right to take any measures necessary to stop what he thnks is right? the nature of the measures does not matter.

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*people i think we have another moin.ul.atiq in here ........... good luck with your philosophy mr. SHARAABI........ *

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Who are these retards of Lal Building, who beleive that they have right to enforce their understanding of Islam on others? I do not even believe that their understanding of Islam or Shariah is right. I beleive that they are misguided and very far from Islam. So who are they to impose their beleifs on others? Do they read Quran or do they beleive on Quran?

Quran Surah 6: Ayah 164 *Say: Shall I seek another than Allah for Lord, when He is Lord of all things? **Each soul earns only on its own account, **nor doth any laden bear another's load. **Then unto your Lord is your return and He will tell you that wherein ye differed.*

For all who believes on Quran, words of Allah (above) is clear for that person. That: What a person does is what that person earns and it does not effect what other person does or earn. No one is responsible of the deeds (and burden) of others. So, if no one is responsible of others deeds (right or wrong), than who are these Lal building retards that they can try to enforce their understanding of Islam on others? Are they Muslims?

Well, I believe that people of Lal Building are retards and their understanding of Islam is wrong, so what should I do, enforce my understanding of Islam on them by force? Isn’t there in ayah that, whose understanding is right or wrong and whatever one differs, let that be, as only when we return to Allah, Allah will tell wherein we differ? Once Allah has left that sorting out the difference after death, then who are these idiots that want to enforce their misguided Islam on others? I again have to ask that if they believe on Quran or not? Are they Muslim or not?

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So he conquered it and then changed the system. And by this you mean that his sole purpose was conquering and that changing the system resulted from his conquering. Congratulations you've put the Prophet on par with Alexander, Gengez and others...

Which is, of course, completely wrong. He conquered to change the system of the land. And he tried his very best to change the system of the land with peaceful means during the Meccan Period.

As far as smashing up idols is concerned, did Ibrahim not smash the idols and challenge the system of the land while he was still in his homeland?

and does Allah not say in the Quran..
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Say: "Allah speaketh the Truth: follow the religion of Abraham, the sane in faith; he was not of the Pagans." ***003.095 *

Mujh se zayada...
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When you have ex presidents of your country queuing up outside someone's door in order to get a religious ruling regarding any particular matter...you know the person is of knowledge.

I think you meant, ".....take any measures necessary to stop what he thnks is wrong"

Yes, it does give him a right. Its not just a right, its an obligation.

*You are the best of the nations raised up for (the benefit of) men; you enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong and believe in Allah. *003.110

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No, by this I dont mean that :)

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Which is, of course, completely wrong. He conquered to change the system of the land.

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EXACTLY. Which implies that to change the system of the land you NEED to be the ruler there.

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And he tried his very best to change the system of the land with peaceful means during the Meccan Period.

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Sure. Peaceful. Working within the norms of the society. Can you tell me one instance during his meccan life when he went and closed down a usurer's place or smashed up a music show or ransacked a wine store?

I wouldnt mind if these guys held peaceful rallies against CD shops. And I wouldnt mind if they didnt allow music CDs within the confines of those who accept the rule of Laal Masjid over them.

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As far as smashing up idols is concerned, did Ibrahim not smash the idols and challenge the system of the land while he was still in his homeland?

and does Allah not say in the Quran..
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Say: "Allah speaketh the Truth: follow the religion of Abraham, the sane in faith; he was not of the Pagans." ***003.095 *
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Good point, but breaking idols is not enforcing Sharia, unless the idols are in a mosque or something like that.

He challenged the religion in the land, something the Prophet did too. Perhaps I shouldve used an example that is actually a punishable crime according to Islam. Worshipping idols is not illegal.

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Saleem saab, there's something called *Amar bil Maroof wa Nahi un al Munkar, *which happens to be an obligation and amongst the fundamentals of the Deen.

Dig it up and englighten yourself...

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well that only means that the ex president thought this person was knowledgeable. that is no guarantee.

and if you want to stop something u consider wrong, there are ways of doing it. If tomorrow some mullah thinks that a girls college is wrong because women dont wear hijab, it does not mean he should start throwing acid on there faces or grenades in the classroom for them to do what he thinks is right.

and first he needs to show me that music is haraam and that there is no doubt about that among scholars at all, or that a beard is a farz and that there is no doubt in scholars regarding that. secondly, even if it is not allowed, he needs to go thru proper channels and not vigilante actions, otherwise someone with a few radio control hobby planes and plastic explosives may blow up lal masjid because they think that this guy is wrong.. etc etc

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You mean that if I beleive that people of Lal building have wrong Islamic believes and what they do is against my understanding of Shariah, I can use force to change them and their believes? [Fact is that, I do believe that these people of Lal Building are misguided agents of Shaitan working against Islam]

Rather talk to them, show them why they are wrong, convicne them and hope that they would understnad?

Is support to Taliban, a support to terrorism?
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I think it is pretty clear in the Quran that COMPULSION is not a part of Islam. As such, these devious little upstarts (the lal masjid folks) very hypocritcally, (as ud expect from their lot), work around that fact, and then in the name of Quran and Allah Himself, compulse other people to either follow what they believe is right or die. As such it proves they defeat the very cause that they say they wish to promote, making it clear hat the true motive is FAR from religious duty and in my opinion this whole affair is something of a publicity stunt.

Your narrow-mindedness ie exposed in the lack of consideration in your so called religous zeal, that you completely overlook the fact that such practises NEVER occured in the life of the prophet. Did the prophet attack idol traders or wine fermenters? Did he drag prostitutes/dancers to mosques and force them to repent? I dont think so.

I hope the government can get rid of this menace soon.