Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!
thats what the people coming out are saying.
do you advocate going in guns blazing and have innocent kids die
tell me..how many c asualties of kids are acceptable, if theyahve several hundred hostages…what percentage..how many, a dozen, two dozen, a hundred? what would you be okay with?
Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!
and what kind of mummy daddy ordinances have we been using that despite repeated attempts, we haven't been able to take down the walls completely and are still trying to get the walls down.. get it over with..
Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!
Does anyone recall the David Koresh hostage takeover in Waco back in the early ninetees? This sounds something similar. The Texas FBI branch barbequed them to charcoal. This takeover is a shame for the govt of Pak. They need to act swiftly.
yaar u confuse me, in one post you are concerned about the kids, ona nother post you want the whole place to be barbequed.
Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!
Google Earth?
yup
Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!
thats what the people coming out are saying. do you advocate going in guns blazing and have innocent kids die
tell me..how many c asualties of kids are acceptable, if theyahve several hundred hostages...what percentage..how many, a dozen, two dozen, a hundred? what would you be okay with?
Fraudia: they have to do a cost benefit analysis -- at this piont, they are reaching a stage where they risk losing public support, and if some of the guys manage to escape or have to be let go later on, they may murder somebody else some otehr time (lives of govt ppl are also important, that are being constantly killed in nwfp)...
they have been able to put pressure on ghazi because of public support -- but if ghazi can sense that we are losing public support, he'll hold out for a day more, two days more, however long he thinks he needs to be in a better negotiating position..
cost/benefit --- the slope of the line is changing in a different direciton now -- gotta do someting now
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i guess we have to deal with mudassar nazar approach. had they done a putin or reno type offensive, It would be over in a few hours.
I mean forget reno and putin approach, just drop bombs and level the place.
are we ready to do that as a nation.
People don't have the stomach for a "good" albeit slow paced solution. Everything has to be over night, now, and yesterday. Sheesh.
Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!
thats what the people coming out are saying. do you advocate going in guns blazing and have innocent kids die
tell me..how many c asualties of kids are acceptable, if theyahve several hundred hostages...what percentage..how many, a dozen, two dozen, a hundred? what would you be okay with?
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nice try to dodge FOL.
so which orphaned little girl being held by the terrorists do you want to die?
Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!
Fraudia, I confuse you because I am confused. I guess aik taraf dil dehelta hay kay what those innocent little kids must be going through and on the other hand I want to bbq the terrorists.
Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!
Fraudia: they have to do a cost benefit analysis -- at this piont, they are reaching a stage where they risk losing public support, and if some of the guys manage to escape or have to be let go later on, they may murder somebody else some otehr time (lives of govt ppl are also important, that are being constantly killed in nwfp)...
they have been able to put pressure on ghazi because of public support -- but if ghazi can sense that we are losing public support, he'll hold out for a day more, two days more, however long he thinks he needs to be in a better negotiating position..
cost/benefit --- the slope of the line is changing in a different direciton now -- gotta do someting now
who gives a damn what 'public' thinks. public is niether expert ate hostage negotiation, nor is it an expert at recue missions.
so teh focus is on what is right, and what minimizes hostage loss.
so they are tiring them out physically and mentally, the ppl in the compound dont know what all is going on and when, military increases pressure and backs off, increases pressure and backs off.. at some point in time there will be no backing off, and military will be dealing with demoralized, physically and mentally exhausted people who would not be able to put up a good fight.
the haddharams inside are not going to let the hostages live if they dont get their way, whether its today, or tomorrow or next week...
so either you accept their demands and show all other wanan be terrorisst out there that they can dick around, hold some ppl hostage and get a free passage to get out
or..you dont let them off... keep them under pressure and attack at the right time
public sentiment be damned, if waiting 2 days and tiring these guys means the hostage casualty goes down 20% I am more than willing to wait 2 days.
govt has nothing to lose except publis sentiment, but pleasing public is not always teh right thing.
Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!
nice try to dodge FOL. so which orphaned little girl being held by the terrorists do you want to die?
awww come now :)
Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!
the explosion i saw on tv was from earlier during the day when they blew up the walls.
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^^ I don't get...
Pakistan Army has been bombarding this mosque for 3-4 days now and still it has walls standing?
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Maybe they're making a tunnel to get under lal masjid. They'll come up from right under ghazi's butt.
Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!
^^ I don't get...
Pakistan Army has been bombarding this mosque for 3-4 days now and still it has walls standing?
patakhay
Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!
^^ I don't get...
Pakistan Army has been bombarding this mosque for 3-4 days now and still it has walls standing?
They r 2 feet thick walls after all :)
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awww come now :)
still dodging I see.
Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!
Now the Gas supply has been cut! Lets see if that makes any differance. Somehow I doubt it.
Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!
just more pressure...
Re: Breaking News: Paramilitary Police clash with Lal Mosque idiots!
now they are cutting the gas supplies? 