well, for anyone who knew the situation in Islamabad from July 3rd to July 11th, one thing was quite clear, that the government was hiding the exact number of casualties in the siege. While the ‘official’ count stands at 102, according to the Interior Minister Aftab Ahmad Khan Sherpao, many senior officials, journalists and even army personnel are hinting on a number as high as 1200. One of them being the pro-Musharraf MQM’s very own (and ex Minister of State for Religious Affairs) Dr. Aamir Liaquat Hussain who resigned from office in the wake of the events at Lal Masjid. In an article published in Jang on July 13th, Dr. Liaquat hinted on ‘over a hundred dead bodies’ being brought to (just) one of the graves dug up to bury them. .. well that much is published.
In the last couple of weeks, I had an opportunity to talk to some senior officials based in Islamabad, and all of them hinted on a number at least as high as 850. I also talked to the editor of a large urdu newspaper who mentioned the soldiers brought to CMH Rawalpindi’s Psychiatry ward after the operation as some of them were noted ‘crying and talking to themselves’ and ‘banging their heads against walls’ for how cruel and wrong was the operation that they were forced to become a part of.
Though, the ideology of Lal-Masjid Maulvis appeals me the least, but I still believe Musharraf has gone completely off the board with his governance of the country. He has himself surrounded by some hugely corrupt names like Shaukat Aziz, Ch. Shujaat, Tariq Aziz, Durrani, Humayun Akhtar Khan, Wasi Zafar and the top army generals whose sole purpose in life is to grab as much as they can while the country’s burning, and for that the let it burn and sometimes make it burn deliberately.
If the government is hiding the number of casualities, where are the thousands of families and relatives looking for the dead? Besides just speculation, the pro-mullah segment of media has not come up with any real people and numbers. This is despite MMA setting up a camp for such people and government also doing the same. All such speculations are based on the false claims of the moron Ghazi (We only have a few licenced pistol then we have only 14 kilashinkovs to reality of the arsenal found. Big brother was in another part of the building, I don't know why he left in Burqa, I need to find out. When Mullah Aziz came out saying he left after discussing with Rashid, he changed his story again. The roof of Jamia Hafsa has fallen only to be shown intact. Claims of mass burial inside the compound when only three buried bodies were found. We have no foriegners with us and then demanding amnesty for foriegn friends). His demands also kept changing in the whole six month fiasco. His streams of lies and false claims have not left him with any credibility. Why should he be trusted to provide accurate number of hostages and people inside? It seems more likely and logical that he inflated these numbers exponentialy to increase his bargaining position and as propoganda.
Yeah, next time we will also hear something like this:
Musharraff ordered to kill innocent people inside the mosque when they were ready to surrender, thousands of innocent, unarmed, underaged students were slaughtered and butchered by army. Apparently government's continuous warnings were just drama, innocent people inside were unarmed and did not even fire a single bullet.
I know it's over the board but this is how i feel after all these claims, none of those MMA idiots or anyone tried to resolve this peacefully (or they failed even if they did) and as soon as the action was taken, they saw an opportunity to blast the government. If they think it was all drama then why did Pakistan's MOST respected person (Edhi) failed to convince those haram khors????
as the recent events in Pakistan would indicate we have more militants and their prodigies that we can handle.
I would rather see a few hundred additional militant extremists and militant extremist apperentices die than avg citizens being killed in suicide bombings by these disgusting militant bmullahs.
oh and speaking of lal masjid disparities..someone needs to post fughazis statements and then his later statements that completely voided his earlier claims.
The latest I have heard is someone who recently came from Pakistan (some area near Islamabad) said that over 2000 were killed and more than 100 soldiers died, I wonder if more than 100 soldiers really died. If that is the case then we should put these molvis incharge of training our army... if 30 militants with 14 kalashnikovs can kill 100+ soldiers and keep them away for more than a week, I am sure training from these molvis can do wonders for Pakistan army.
Musharaf should issue a general order that every mullah and its supporter should be given 500 lashes each on their a$$ and the cops who are lashing them should be the one who can not count beyond 499 so they keep lashing their a$$ forever.
Musharaf should issue a general order that every mullah and its supporter should be given 500 lashes each on their a$$ and the cops who are lashing them should be the one who can not count beyond 499 so they keep lashing their a$$ forever.
This is insanely pathethic. Have you guys totally lost the touch with the ever so advocated views of compassion and tolerance by the Western culture? What difference is there between the uneducated mullah and his disciples sitting in a third world country mosque desperately trying to justify killing others, and the seemingly educated folks who share the same appetite for killing?
Lal-Masjid was a sad incident, and most of the pseudo-jihadists were young individuals belonging to some of the most backward areas of of an already backward country. Have you guys not learned over (presumably) many years of formal education that manipulation of minds is easier when the subjects are poor, and lack of access to proper education and resources. They virtually had no ideology of their own, and were acting on whatever was fed to them. They were young and poor, and needed to find 'the uncaused first cause' of all their miseries, which they had been told was the deviance from Islam and others among all.
Nobody here is advocating Ghazi's religious dogma here, but I know this much that massacring people was not the right way to deal with it.
If there were 1000s of casualties, where are the parents (and other family members) of those 1000s of casualties? To me it seems that those 70 odd got killed in madrassa, most were terrorists, as it seems none have parents coming out looking for them. Media is free and if there were people killed, media would have brought their families on TV. Media seems to be so eager in this issue that they would not have left this opportunity let go.
Unless 1000s of families do not appear in media (especially on TV), we should not be part in propagating lies. We are Muslims, and it is haran to propagate any news in Islam without verifications. In this case, propagating anything like 1000s killed would be lies and haram without any doubt.
You are saying that all 1000s families have to appear in media for you to believe that they really lost a family member? I bet even if they really appear the next thing you are gonna say “what proof they have that they really lost one?”, after that “these are just parents of terrorists acting as victims” etc.
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