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He has been a little off on this one. His stance against the government is justified, however, not in this particular case. Normally, he is not a bandwagon guy...I hope he is careful about his future statements
Imran needs to realize quickly that being a contrarian can only take him so far. he has yet to come up with a coherent and comprehensive plan on how he would handle things.
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when issues become worldwide embarrassment then six months is enough time for negotiations. Not to mention, people who were negotiating (tha chaudries) and people whom they were negotiating with (the mullahs), both are a-holes.
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To respond to the inital thread request: Today, on Capital Talk it was announced that, Mr. Usmani (I am seriously sick of using these titles Maulana - they're not official titles anyway - my crazy loud Hispanic neighbors could give themselves Maulana titles, and what will you do?) - actually asked the government to get some of these Ulema out of the way because they were doing more damage than harm by egging on Ghazi. One of these Ulema who was present in the last set of negotiations is quoted to have, and also admitted on TV, said to Ghazi "Keep your stand". Of course, he used an Urdu word - started with a D - my relatives had to translate it for me.
There's an example between two religious personalities who differed in their opinion in the last set of negotiations before the real operation began.
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'dattay raho'
is that what was said?
if so then the jagoff who said that needs to be tossed in prison as well.
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Urdu word for "Keep your stand" which starts with D? What could it be?
I think he probably said to Ghazi "Dhamakha karo".
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I like my word better
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I have a bias against all pakistani politicians. I only gauge them by their results.
anyways retirnign to the topic...
explain teh silence...BB has spoken now. MMA of course had to protect their vote bank :D
what about the rest
I think I had read some MQM statement supporting government in this case in the Dawn or Jang.
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Wffaq al madaris needs to be disbanded, these clowns are making moronic statements
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there is no magic faarmula on when to start operation in a hostage type situation. discretion is always with the government. given the sympathy our awam holds for jehadis, it was a good idea on the part of government to give the brothers enough rope to hang themselves. amazingly even all the ulemas agree that conduct of brothers was ghair shara'ee which provides some religious cover to the government. also given that something political is always brewing in pak, timing of operation is irrelevant from the point of govt getting some political advantage.
after this crisis, lets hope that govt going forward is firm in dealing with jehadi scum. otherwise our jawans today have shed their lives for no reason.
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Taqi Usmani’s official title is Mufti and he is one of the few person you can use the title without any doubt. :k:
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maulana is a title used for god in the quran, means "My Lord"
I dont think any person deserves this title.
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'dattay raho' is that what was said? if so then the jagoff who said that needs to be tossed in prison as well.
Yep! It was "dattay raho". Check out a rerun of capital talk for the guy who said it. I could pick him out of a crowd, but did not catch his name. He works with or is in charge of one of the religious political parties.
Thanks for that enlightenment about the term "Maulana" - I can't believe people walk around with that title!
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here is a good thread for you to read
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=133964&highlight=maulana
the same people who keep screaming that if something is doubtful then its better to not do it, keep annointing themselves with this very controversial title.
sorry for the tangent here though
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if u say u don’t like imran khan does that mean that u r with musharraf (the worst president in pakistan’s history)
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Abhay challo. The worst president in Pakistan's history? I can name a number of Pakistani leaders who have ruined the mulq and left it in the state its in and Musharraf isn't top on that list.
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Yep! It was "dattay raho". Check out a rerun of capital talk for the guy who said it. I could pick him out of a crowd, but did not catch his name. He works with or is in charge of one of the religious political parties.
Thanks for that enlightenment about the term "Maulana" - I can't believe people walk around with that title!
Guy's name is Shah Abdul Aziz. He is a former Taleban commander. He admitted to having said those words when Abdul Rasheed told him that he has only two choices, surrender or martyrdom..and then said that the humiliation my brother had to face after getting captured gives him no reason to surrender. Abdul Aziz responded by saying that if this is your decision then "datay raho"
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^ Thank you for filling in the holes - that's exactly what he was saying.
HE was the former Taleban commander? I has fallen asleep last evening - was this the guy that refused to show his face out of all the Ulema that did the final negotiations?
Yeah, he was talking about how it is better to die as a shaheed than to have your brother wear a burqa when coming out. I can't even begin arguuing about how little logic that guy exercised. He started out by fighting with Hamid Mir that Hamid gave the other speaker 15 minutes to speak and so he wants 15 minutes without interruption or he wont speak. He acted like a total kid.
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These Wafaqul Madaris Mullahs are despicable. They had no interest in convincing Mullah Rasheed to surrender and save lives. They were more concerned about taking control of madarssas and encoraging a fight. They should be arrested. The media should also highlight their dishonesty and callousness.
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Imran Khan is with mullahs on this one. He is also claiming that extremism has only started in last eight years!
http://www.dawn.com/2007/07/11/top7.htm
LONDON, July 10: Tehrik-i-Insaaf chief Imran Khan believes that the religious radicalism which has spread all over Pakistan in the last eight years of the military-led rule could be controlled and eliminated if tackled politically and in a democratic environment.
Answering a question after having made a presentation at the Foreign Press Association (FPA) on the Lal Masjid affair and the recently concluded MPC here, Imran said if Gen Pervez Musharraf had left the issue of Lal Masjid to the leaders of the ruling political party, the PML, they would not have let the matter degenerate into such a bloody standoff.
He said the Waziristan issue could have been solved through political dialogue, but being a military man Musharraf sent in 80,000 troops on the behest of the US and within two years after having hundreds of troops killed he had to sign a ‘document of surrender’ with the Waziris, but in the process he has alienated the tribal people for many years to come.
He advised the US and the UK to go and read the histories of tribal areas and that of Afghanistan and pointed out that since Alexander nobody had been able to rule over these people. “You cannot kill people and still hope to win their hearts and minds. They would instead go over to the side of the Taliban. And that is why the Taliban movement has strengthened enormously in the last eight years. The warlords have returned to Afghanistan and the poppy production has risen to a level where it is supposed to be supplying 95 per cent of the drug to the world.”
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These Wafaqul Madaris Mullahs are despicable. They had no interest in convincing Mullah Rasheed to surrender and save lives. They were more concerned about taking control of madarssas and encoraging a fight. They should be arrested. The media should also highlight their dishonesty and callousness.
The government should hold a referendum in the area of G-5 and G-6. I am hopeful the majority of the people will vote for a sunni mosque instead of this hardline deobandi/wahabi/salafi mosque.