Re: lal masjid and politicians statements about it
anyways 20 posts and no statementts from politicians so far..well except the tank faux pas
Re: lal masjid and politicians statements about it
I think political parties realize that a majority of the people is with them on this issue. That is why they r holding back. MMA has called a meeting to discuss the issue today. Shaukat Aziz has also convened a cabinet meeting. Lets see what comes out of both.
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Did anyone see Mufti Taqi Usmani on TV yesterday. He was scolding the government for using tanks. When he was pointed out there have been no tanks but they were APCs. He said well a man comes out of it and goes back in, thats all that matters to me. I used to respect him a little bit but after this I really lost it, jin ko tank or APC ka faraq nahin maaloom wo government per fatway de rahay hain ke wo buhaat khatar nak weapons ka istamaal kar rahay hain. Yaar I could not believe his POV.
:D Poor Taqi Usmani!
We got scholars? Name few.
Tough trick question Flame, cant think of any either :D
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Here is one from MMA:
http://www.dawn.com/2007/07/10/nat7.htm
QUETTA, July 9: Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal MNA Maulana Noor Muhammad, who has been leading processions against the Lal Masjid siege, has said that he will continue to support the mosque’s cleric and students holed up in the complex despite JUI-F’s criticism.
He was addressing protestors, who had gathered under the banner of Sada-i-Muslim, outside the press club here on Monday. Slogans in favour of Mullah Omar and Osama bin Ladin and against President Pervez Musharraf and the United States were raised by the protesters.
Maulana Noor Mohammad praised the Lal Masjid militants for “resisting security forces for seven days” and said that the government could not defeat the “forces demanding enforcement of Sharia”. He said that the government was carrying out the agenda of the United States to defame seminaries.
He said that the Lal Masjid clerics had “not committed any crime” and the government propaganda would fail to create doubts in people’s minds “about the Lal Masjid ulema”.
Re: lal masjid and politicians statements about it
I confess that I haven't been following the whole Pakistan news very diligently for the past few months.
But it seems like a few weeks ago all I hear was that Mushraff wasn't doing much, army has links to the extremists in the lal masjid, he can't do anything, he is dirt bag, he needs to do something, lawlessness in the capital. All I hear from Mushraf was 'we are trying to negotiate it in a peaceful manner' and other similar stuff.
Then, when the whole 'siege' began, with guns being fired, all I hear was, what is he doing? Army on a masjid? He needs to resolve the situation peacefully! Negotiate.
What the hell ... at least stick to one side.
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so silence on all fronts except MMA whose response was predictable in order to secure votes and funding from their supporter base.
There will be some sort of coulda-woulda-shoulda response from Nawaz, but i think it will be muted for now, and even more for BB. they do not want to be seen as sympathisers of militants and I dont believe that they really are.
that leaves altaf and Imran.
I think I know what Imran would say, Altaf I am not sure about..
ANP will probably be a little less vague than nawaz, but they will talk smack soon.
and the rest of mickey mouse parties aka inconsequential wankers 1-33 sunn matter.
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what will Imran say?
Re: lal masjid and politicians statements about it
what will Imran say?
probably his stance would be somewhere between MMA and NS stance.
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I remember watching Imran Khan's U-tube video where he claimed that lal masjid mullah's were government allies staging a drama for Musharraff to draw attention away from the chief justice case. Some one can search it and post it here.
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To be honest the more I hear Imran speak, the more I loose my respect for him.
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To be honest the more I hear Imran speak, the more I loose my respect for him.
I will continue to respect him as a great cricketor, but as politician or statesman, ... oh no, god no.
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Yes one of the very best cricketers of alltime, but seems less skilled as a politician. I cant bring myself to criticize him though. :D
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so no statements
what do you think, politicians are being responsible and waiting until things are calm to share their views, or they are being opportunistic and waiting to see public sentiments and figuring out how to leverage the situation in their favour?
I have an obvious bias against the looney tunes...what say you?
Re: lal masjid and politicians statements about it
benazir in an interview to bbc said musharraff had no options but to take this action, however she did go on to say that it was the lack of democratic rule in pakistan that let these elements become so strong and how during her government the talibans had lost morale and were dying.
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Mullahs talking from both sides of their mouth as expected..
they dont have an issue with ghazi's demands (i.e. shariah establishment)
but, they disagree with his methods
but, govt is responsible
aray hazraat, islam key thekaydaaro..what all did YOU do to tell this guy to back off in the last 6 months and to control him. a mixed marathion takes place and you clowns fall over each other trying to scream about it, but in this case, you accept that his methods were wrong, yet you could not do anything.
as a matter of fact you gave veiled threats that if an operation is taken against lal masjid losers that all the madrissas will be against it.
they also fail to address ghazi holding hostages, and not agreeing to face the law..and for other criminals and terrorists withhim to face the law.
On one hand ghazi's methods were wrong, on another hand, you dont want thim to be punished for his wrong, and if he refuses and govt takes action, its govts fault?
wah ji wah..
buncha mental jagoffs
Re: lal masjid and politicians statements about it
benazir in an interview to bbc said musharraff had no options but to take this action, however she did go on to say that it was the lack of democratic rule in pakistan that let these elements become so strong and how during her government the talibans had lost morale and were dying.
errr this lady has some fantasy world she lives in maybe life 2.0 or something like that. taleban had lost morale and were dying? abay your goon helped establish them. the same goon you had unleashed on karachiites..a horrible and brute force that was widely criticized by human rights watch groups.
but as I said she will be subdued and not do anything to jeopardize the backdoor deal musharraf is doing with her.
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I have an obvious bias against the looney tunes...what say you?
i agree you have a bias against non establishment politicians :D
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I have a bias against all pakistani politicians. I only gauge them by their results.
anyways retirnign to the topic...
explain teh silence...BB has spoken now.
MMA of course had to protect their vote bank :D
what about the rest
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To be honest the more I hear Imran speak, the more I loose my respect for him.
He has been a little off on this one. His stance against the government is justified, however, not in this particular case. Normally, he is not a bandwagon guy...I hope he is careful about his future statements
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well i dont know about politicions statement but mine is
Government used LAL masjid just for their personal interest. musharaf governmnet just want to prove he played a gr8 role against war on terror. Why this happend now why not 4 month before when this issue just awake? Why agencies of pakistan was quiet on this issue ? where are they when they were collecting plenty of weapons in capital? This is issue created by gov't to get some sympathy from people and make den relax on 12 may issue and chief justice issue as well. and tryin to prove these islamic people are terrorists. huh i can be a good polititian too :)
I agree with you, but backtrack to the posts put up here when Ghazi was busy kidnapping ladies and calling them prostitutes (abhay, I still haven't seen any proof on that), and the library book burnings, and the CD store burnings, etc.
You will see how many people were supporting Ghazi's moves. After the kidnapping of the Chinese nationals, unki bholti band hui.
It just reflects what percent of our population might have supported the government's moves if they had dealth with Ghazi more severely earlier. I doubt they'd have as much support as they did this week.
The government also needed to time to exhaust all options of negotiations. Even now, there are people that think there wasn't enough negotiations. Imagine how many people would be up in arms if this all had happened earlier?
I don't doubt they took advantage of the timing - how the Chinese nationals' case happened about the time the APC was about to convene, and Chaudry I-wanna-still-be-a-judge-even-though-I-allowed-so-many-criminals-to-get-away-with-their-crimes-in-the-past A-hole was about to have his hearings. I don't know if it was all programmed ahead of time to occur that way, though.