Lahore Metro Train : Orange Line

[Jolie]

Re: Lahore Metro Train : Orange Line

@Med911

Without going into a long winded reply, I will say only that Democratic institutions take time develop. The solution to a “broken” democratic system is to fix the system through democracy itself… The reason that there is so much corruption, nepotism and other issues is because the political system has never been allowed to mature. Repeated military coups have helped create, and facilitated, existing problems within the political system.

PPP was once the biggest political part, and they are also monarchical and feudal.. But now they get no votes outside of rural Sindh. If the PML fails, and fails on its own merit, then they to will be sidelined.

There is no such thing as a genuine Democracy, and none are ever perfect. Electoral rigging has to be proven… That hasnt happened. Middle East is a mess today. Pakistan, while it may not have always been a Democracy, and there have been dictators, has always retained the underlying affinity for democracy.

I see Pakistani institutions evolving and improving. People are more politically aware. The supreme court is probably more independent today then ever before in Pakistan’s history. NAB, 18th amendment, NFC, recent local elections… all signs that things are moving in the right direction.
Patience in this case is whats needed. 60 plus years of bad habits take time to outgrow.

I’m not asking for dictatorship here, so please can you please stop excessively dwelling on it.

Patience does not mean lethargic stagnation, and complacent and anti-intellectual mindset that relies on time to fix everything instead of encouraging nation to always analyse things and strive for better. People will only fix democracy when they realise that democracy needs to be fixed, and the ways it could be fixed. If they don’t have the knowledge of what a functional, quality and transparent democracy looks like – how will they strive for it? How on earth we will have debates and exchange of ideas on democracy – if opposition to bad practices are considered a threat to democracy?

Yes today people are more politically aware (thanks to a military dictator, ironic right?) because a certain fraction of society has refused to adhere to that uninspired mentality - they really do believe that things could be be better and they would only get better if they raise their voice. If your house tap is leaking, would you try to fix it as soon as possible, or sit there and think that as long as there is no flooding in the house, it is okay if the tap is leaking indefinitely- at least we have a tap. So yes that attitude has to be dumped, and thankfully there are people who are shunning this attitude.

Middle East was far more developed than Pakistan can be in the next 50 years. They had the best roads, never ending highways, biggest housing blocks, tall buildings, massive population, natural resources, rich elite, and affluent middle class, utmost pride in their language and heritage, but unfortunately it was their complacent mindset with mediocrity, corruption, inequalities, secrecy, injustice, bad governance and Human Rights issues that became their downfall. Exactly the kind of mentality to fund in large section of Pakistanis.

So the point is, if concrete development and building of highways was everything, then Middle East would have been a heaven on earth today, and yes, likes of Saddam, Assad and Mubarak held ‘elections’ too.

Electoral rigging has to be proven… That hasnt happened.

I love your response. Classic. Typical stuff they say for rape, child abuse and virtually every crime in Pakistan. Name the crimes that actually gets ‘proven’ in the court in Pakistan.