Re: Lahore Jalsa: Imran Khan's Moment!
yep PPP at the moment is a joke and Imran has a chance to make his mark. Lets hope he doesnt blow it.
Its not him. He is not reema putting up a show. Its not him.
Its us. Its our test. lets hope we don't blow a chance given to us.
That if we are smart enough to see it as a chance.
Re: Lahore Jalsa: Imran Khan’s Moment!
Imran may follow Chinese way to end poverty, corruption
On the second day of the PTI delegation s China visit, a visit to Chairman Mao s mausoleum was arranged.
The delegation also met with officials specifically dealing with poverty alleviation, population control and discipline (anti corruption measures).
Imran Khan and his team were briefed by the State Council Leading Group Office of Poverty Alleviation on how China managed to raise about 400 million people out of poverty.
They were informed that while the high growth rate over the last 30 years laid a good foundation, it was just one of the reasons enabling China to alleviate poverty. Other reasons included reform of the economic system.
Imran Khan sought details of China s rural and urban poverty alleviation programmes. Later in the day, there was a briefing on how China manages population control.
The final meeting was with the Central Discipline Commission of the CPC which deals with inspection of Party officials and the government officials.
PTI had especially sought out this meeting to learn how China deals with political and bureaucratic corruption.
The meeting from the Chinese side was presided over by Mr Yao Zhengke, Vice Minister Supervision Ministry dealing with Discipline and Inspection. Anti corruption is the main function. But supervision also focuses on projects and development so it can be done more scientifically.
Imran explained the PTI s long-term commitment to anti-corruption and justice. Imran explained how corruption used to hinder Pakistan s development but now it threatened the existence of the state itself.
The meeting was followed by PTI Chairman Imran Khan s lengthy interaction with the Chinese media. An interesting aspect of Imran s presence in Beijing was his recognition by foreign visitors to the city from cricketing nations who kept taking pictures with him.
The visit of the PTI delegation, which included Dr Shireen Mazari, Vice President Foreign Affairs, concluded with a dinner in its honour by the Pakistani ambassador to China Masood Khan where the embassy officials, their families and other Pakistanis in Beijing were present - all eager to see icon Imran Khan. The ambassador graciously hosted around a hundred people on this occasion.
Re: Lahore Jalsa: Imran Khan's Moment!
If Imran Khan is honest and sincere, he has my vote. People of urban Punjab need and deserve good and principled leadership.
People of urban Punjab are energetic and passionate. They are lively and courageous, and their spirits are high. And deep in their heart they are profoundly patriotic.
If Imran Khan can mobilize his people in the right direction, this can be a match made in heaven.
May Imran Khan prove to be a diamond till the end of the test.
Re: Lahore Jalsa: Imran Khan’s Moment!
Brilliant Article
ANALYSIS: What Imran Khan achieved in Lahore and why —Dr Moeed Pirzada
Re: Lahore Jalsa: Imran Khan’s Moment!
Again an interesting collection of analysis
Re: Lahore Jalsa: Imran Khan's Moment!
If Imran Khan is honest and sincere, he has my vote.
So far he seems to be, but he hasn't been in any positions of power.
His speech was hardly inspiring, so it remains to be seen whether he has the capability to deliver, and whether he can recruit enough honest and capable people into his party.
Re: Lahore Jalsa: Imran Khan's Moment!
His speech was hardly inspiring, so it remains to be seen whether he has the capability to deliver, and whether he can recruit enough honest and capable people into his party.
There have been no benefits to the people of Pakistan so far from the emotional/inspiring speeches by the so-called thekeydars of politics in Pakistan in the past and even now. So speech is not the criteria at all for me. I believe his words were simple, based on honesty and connected well with the audience.
To hell with the rest of the clowns and jokers in Pakistani Politics.
Re: Lahore Jalsa: Imran Khan's Moment!
There have been no benefits to the people of Pakistan so far from the emotional/inspiring speeches by the so-called thekeydars of politics in Pakistan in the past and even now. So speech is not the criteria at all for me. I believe his words were simple, based on honesty and connected well with the audience.
To hell with the rest of the clowns and jokers in Pakistani Politics.
It is not about his lack of charisma, or oratory skills.
He hasn't expounded on a plan to fix the problems. So we don't know exactly what his detailed policies are. That is a worry.
Re: Lahore Jalsa: Imran Khan's Moment!
It is not about his lack of charisma, or oratory skills.
He hasn't expounded on a plan to fix the problems. So we don't know exactly what his detailed policies are. That is a worry.
You know what is much more to be worried about?
There is no plan to fix the problems in the hands/minds of those who are currently running the affairs of the country or sitting on opposition benches. That is much more to be worried about. I am confident that PTI will provide a detailed plan before elections.
Re: Lahore Jalsa: Imran Khan's Moment!
Impressive show by Imran!! I bet alot of people are stunned and have their foot in the mouth now. Imran needs to work on the following now:
Nevertheless, Imran's honesty and sincerity is enough to get my vote!
Re: Lahore Jalsa: Imran Khan's Moment!
yep PPP at the moment is a joke and Imran has a chance to make his mark. Lets hope he doesnt blow it.
PPP turned into a joke after its founder was gone, though I don't like many of his policies. Frankly, I don't see much difference except change of faces in PPP whether it was benazir or zardari now. RPPs scandals and other corruption scandals were still present back then as they are now. Though I detest imran's flip flop approach on some issues, he still has the "not tested yet" going for him.
Re: Lahore Jalsa: Imran Khan's Moment!
OK, i would like to pour some lights on facts we never discussed about this jalsa.
Road Map :
1. Foreign Policy - > No dictation, independent policy. In an interview when an anchor asked him if army don't allow him to make his own policy what will u do. He said i would resign. Many of the people will say, how can we trust. I question to them, from his past character, from wiki leaks does he double crossed nation?
Patwari system, Thanaydar system: He said patwari system is the base of zulam system(jageerdari), His words are "We will end Patwari Nizam". Now many of people would say how he will. I have a question to them, can they tell how they will play a 50 over match? Positive attitude towards game matters how the team play. Same here positive attitude, no naray no jazbati pan.
Same is for thana culture.
America / China Policy: Friendship not slavery
Loans: No Loan from IMF / World Bank: Any other choar leader say this? where is loan money which PPP's current government taken from IMF? Where is the Qaraz Utaroo Mulak sanwaroo paisa?
Kashmir Policy: No jazbati naray. Only practicle approach. Not like PPP/PML-N policy.
A man is judged by its character and his words are same through out the passed years. Every body knows who is the creator of Nawaz Shareef, Zardari, Q League, PPP, MQM.
My friends think from your mind, People are saying he will take rights vote and zardari would win. Means they have american thinking, Either you are against us or with us. Life is really a yes no????? He is a change, he talks about Pakistan, He has no punjab/sindh/KPK/Baluchistan/Muhajir cards. He has one card only and that is Pakistan.
Re: Lahore Jalsa: Imran Khan’s Moment!
It would be interesting to see what PMLN can do against the establishment as itself has been coming to power on the approval of the establishment. The bad thing about Pakistani politics is that no party would think about what they have done wrong which has turned people away from them, but in order to cover up their failures they start pointing fingers at someone else.http://tribune.com.pk/story/291120/pml-n-warns-army-isi-to-stop-supporting-pti/PML-N warns army, ISI to stop supporting PTI
**LAHORE: ****The frantic political stir created by the up-and-coming Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) has provoked opposing reactions on Saturday from the two heavyweight parties of the country, the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) and the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N).
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**While Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani calmly shrugged off talk of there being any threat to his party from the PTI’s monumental rise, Opposition Leader in the National Assembly Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan was more frantic – alleging that there was a concerted effort to undermine the PML-N, using parties such as the PTI, and saying he had evidence to support this claim.
Though it had been fluid for a while, the political landscape was shaken by the PTI’s mammoth October 30 rally at Minar-e-Pakistan in Lahore, the seat of power in Punjab, long considered the bastion of the PML-N’s power. **Even before the Lahore rally, with PTI’s major political activity taking place in urban Punjab constituencies, analysts and observers concluded that the rise of Imran Khan’s PTI would hurt the PML-N the most.
The Lahore rally seemed to drive this point home emphatically for the PML-N, which has, since then, been in a huddle, planning what to do.
**PML-N offensive against ISI, establishment
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PML-N’s President Nawaz Sharif on Saturday held a meeting of the party’s senior leaders in Model Town Lahore where he also presided over a meeting of party workers from Faisalabad division.
**According to senior party member privy to the discussions at the meeting, Sharif has given a go-ahead to party leaders to ‘expose the games of military establishment’ and particularly to criticise the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). The PML-N’s think tank last month had decided that this offensive would be launched if the establishment did not cease and desist from interfering in the country’s political dynamics – and that those ISI officials allegedly involved in this practice would be ‘exposed’.
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And so it began on Saturday.
**Chaudhry Nisar in a typically fiery press conference said he would present evidence of the military establishment’s sponsoring and promotion of PTI’s Lahore rally. He warned that if the ISI did not mend its ways the PML-N would take ‘direct action’ either on the floor of the house, in the courts or through the media.
“I have detailed documents of funding and ample evidence of the management the ISI extended in making the PTI’s rally successful,” Nisar said. {Successful huh? According to the government there were only 45-50000 people in the rally.}**
**He vowed that he would present this evidence in the coming session of the National Assembly, which is slated to start from Monday. He said that he would force the government to review what he termed a policy of promoting the role of intelligence agencies just to damage PML-N.
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**Nisar calls out Kayani
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Asked why he did not approach Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani with the allegations, **Nisar replied that he had approached the general a number of times to control the role of ISI in politics. Kayani, he said, never responded to the pleas. He did add that he told the army chief that the ISI’s role under Kayani had remained ‘excellent’ for the first two years – but that this role had become dubious once again.
To a query, Nisar said that since Kayani would not listen to him, he would demand that the prime minister call the army chief to the floor of the National Assembly to clarify the establishment’s position in the making and breaking of political parties. {Does that mean that the so called unification block in Punjab assembly has also been made by the agencies?}
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He said that the ISI was being used for petty politics despite the Pakistan military being under immense foreign pressure.
**Some evidence
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He said that Imran Khan had been in politics for 15 years, yet those that have joined him in recent days have strong linkages with the establishment. He added that 90% of those joining the PTI are from a party created by former president Gen. Pervez Musharraf, that is, the PML-Q. **{naturally he wouldnt talk about the unification group due to which the Punjab government is surviving, which was created after defections of PMLQ members. A few days back PMLN offered amnesty to all PMLQ members excluding the chaudharies, they even have established linkages to Sheikh Rashid. Since PMLN is also trying to bring back PMLQ into its fold is that also on the behest of the establishment?}
While the PML-Q was created under a military dictatorship, the PTI was being created during civilian rule, asserted Nisar.
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Asked whether President Asif Ali Zardari is on board in this ‘game’, Nisar replied in the affirmative – saying that the PPP co-chairman had been on board the establishment’s plan for the last three months. Nisar did hasten to add that the president might change his plans given that PPP workers, too, have begun to join PTI now.
**Nothing to hide
He said that Imran’s demand that politicians reveal their assets was baseless propaganda and that if he has any documentary evidence in this regard he should move the court.**
He also questioned PTI’s funding and its ideology – saying both were murky. **Chaudhry Nisar said that the PML-N is going to bring a bill in the forthcoming session of the National Assembly regarding an effective system to declare assets. He said that bill would encompass the details of not only personal assets but also of details of party expenditures and sponsored trips of party leaderships. He said the bill recommends the establishment of a website where each every person’s details – assets and expenditures – would be displayed.
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**Gilani remains cool
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Responding to the impending tussle for power between the PTI and PML-N and other opposition parties, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani said that the government does not need to ‘show their strength or muscle’, and added that intelligence agencies were with them.
The PM was talking to reporters on the sidelines of the 125th Founder’s Day of the Aitchison College in Lahore on Saturday.
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When asked whether the PPP would demonstrate its street power in response to the public show of strength displayed by the PTI and PML-N, Gilani said that ‘it was not worth the government’s time to indulge in such activities’.
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Published in The Express Tribune, November 13[SUP]th[/SUP], 2011.