re: Lahore Jalsa: Imran Khan’s Moment!
What a true statement.
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sachay are u comparing IK With ZAB!! ... ?? :(
In a way yes. IK has also tried to immitate the style of great Bhutto, who is still alive in the hearts of millions and millions Pakistanis. Though he is dead bodily, but his spirit is still alive as all politicians including IK has tried their best to copy him but unfortunately could not succeed. The words such as "nimaz ka waqt hay" or we will build new Pakistan etc are the words of ZAB. The purpose of comparison is just to show why IK's party has not taken off the ground even after lapse of 15 years where as great Bhutto became icon politician with in three years. Farq saaf zaahir hay. Though I prefer him among Sharif Brothers or Zardari if he provide vision for whole Pakistan, not only Lahore. I hope he would not fall into a trap like NS, the politics of Punjab only, then he will fail miserably.
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No he is not dead. Because of him, PPP is still alive and ruling. For a moment imagine IK, NS or AH are not there, and see what happens to their parties.
IK se barha jalsa to AH ne Karachi main kya hay. Is it the criteria for popularity in whole Pakistan? If yes then AH is more popular than IK:)
http://www.dawn.com/2011/10/30/mqm-to-hold-rally-today-in-support-of-zardari.html
Democratic forces united to defend democracy: MQM chief
re: Lahore Jalsa: Imran Khan’s Moment!
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The Jalsa was not IK moment, it was the moment of Tehreek-e-Insaaf. I was there, and believe it or not Lahoriaans never saw the Jalse this big before. Turn out is over 200000.
One of there rare times when I like your PA post :p
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re: Lahore Jalsa: Imran Khan's Moment!
In a way yes. IK has also tried to immitate the style of great Bhutto, who is still alive in the hearts of millions and millions Pakistanis. Though he is dead bodily, but his spirit is still alive as all politicians including IK has tried their best to copy him but unfortunately could not succeed. The words such as "nimaz ka waqt hay" or we will build new Pakistan etc are the words of ZAB. The purpose of comparison is just to show why IK's party has not taken off the ground even after lapse of 15 years where as great Bhutto became icon politician with in three years. Farq saaf zaahir hay. Though I prefer him among Sharif Brothers or Zardari if he provide vision for whole Pakistan, not only Lahore. I hope he would not fall into a trap like NS, the politics of Punjab only, then he will fail miserably.
hmmm , i just felt its lil unfair to compare him to one of the most charismatic leaders we had in the history of Pakistan. but u r right!! ... he may be a popular leader and people hav pinned too many hopes on him but i think he still has a long way to go!!
I agree even I would prefer him over sharif brothers!! ... lets just hope and pray he lives up to peoples expectations
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this is just out of curiousity ! i want to know
does this large turn out reflect all of punjab or it is urban middle +upper class of punjab specially lahore ? how much it will convert in to vote ?
how much does it reflect other provinces of pakistan , where does he stand in other provinces , has he got his party’s organisational infrastructure in every district of pakistan? who are the provincial leaders ? as much as i know a single leader can not win election without a strong party organisation , has he built up a strong party organisation?
i like this man very much , but as an indian i have some bias against him (only his taliban policy) , any way i know there are political compulsions too.
re: Lahore Jalsa: Imran Khan's Moment!
this is just out of curiousity ! i want to know
does this large turn out reflect all of punjab or it is urban middle +upper class of punjab specially lahore ? how much it will convert in to vote ?
the turnout reflects some urban areas of Punjab. The reason why this meeting was significant because Lahore was considered to be Nawaz Sharif's stronghold for decades which is not under threat.
how much does it reflect other provinces of pakistan , where does he stand in other provinces , has he got his party's organisational infrastructure in every district of pakistan?
Not much from other provinces except from North Western province where he might get some support. Other provinces vote based on tribes and landlords of the area. It is almost impossible to even open up an office in some rural areas where you and your supporters would be physically harmed if you attempt to do so. Some of the people from interior Sindh, for example, wouldn't even know Imran exists.
who are the provincial leaders ? as much as i know a single leader can not win election without a strong party organisation , has he built up a strong party organisation?
Yes, that is a big issue with Imran Khan. He doesn't have many 'prominent' politicians supporting him. The issue is that almost all of them are corrupt and clean ones are unknown entities, politically.
i like this man very much , but as an indian i have some bias against him (only his taliban policy) , any way i know there are political compulsions too.
I don't think there is much wrong in saying we should not go in blindly bombing every suspected village. And I don't think it makes a lot of sense keeping up the operations and bombings and trying to negotiate peace at the same time.
I think we should appreciate the provincial government as well for not trying to take STRONG measures to sabotage the meeting. This kind of a meeting, even 10 times smaller, would be impossible without people getting physically harmed if PTI wanted to do a similar thing in Karachi and talk against MQM and PPP there. The beneficiary so far has been PPP which would gain some ground with sensible people divided into PML and PTI and blind voters going for PPP as usual.
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I think we should appreciate the provincial government as well for not trying to take STRONG measures to sabotage the meeting. This kind of a meeting, even 10 times smaller, would be impossible without people getting physically harmed if PTI wanted to do a similar thing in Karachi and talk against MQM and PPP there. The beneficiary so far has been PPP which would gain some ground with sensible people divided into PML and PTI and blind voters going for PPP as usual.
thank you very much kaka. quite informative reply.
do you think he can form a govt in punjab ?
do you think he can form a govt at national level ?
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Finally it happened! Finally the youth woke up! Finally Imran Khan got his break through! I am just super glad for all that happened yesterday, Bravo to every one who went there!!!
I am a total PTI supporter & would not turn my face ever to another party in the neext elections but still I am not blind & there were things that could've been improved:
IK's speech was supposed to be at 2:00 p.m, the songs dragged on so much that it got to 6:00 p.m. Showing disciplin is step 1 for any change so that could've been improved.
No matter what people say, whether its about the speech or not, when you're addressing 2 lac people a much better one should have been prepared. Although, the one he gave was fair enough as well.
I sincerely hope that these people who went would actually vote & campaign for him when the time comes. Congratulations Pakistanis for the change that came yesterday!!!
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It was sheer delight watching how the crowd turned up, for change, and thier belief that the only man in Pakistan at this moment in time that can give us this ray of hope is Imran Khan.
There is a feeling of pride that our country still has an honest corruption free man who has spent the last 16 years trying to change the face of politics.
We cannot lose this opportunity, we must support this change, We must vote PTI 
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I think we should appreciate the provincial government as well for not trying to take STRONG measures to sabotage the meeting. This kind of a meeting, even 10 times smaller, would be impossible without people getting physically harmed if PTI wanted to do a similar thing in Karachi and talk against MQM and PPP there. The beneficiary so far has been PPP which would gain some ground with sensible people divided into PML and PTI and blind voters going for PPP as usual.
I disagree with you kb.. there was a PML N rally two days ago. The visible difference between both the shows was N rally was gathered by regional politicians from suburbs.. with paid arranged transportations and crowds arranged from biradiaries/candidates in arranged buses.
Most of the people in PTI rally were the core former PPP voters. Middle class/poor masses who came on their own. These were once the strength of PPP. I think PPP vote bank is getting a bigger dent from IK than PML N's vote bank who are relying on typical regional biradari politicians.
Bottom line is PTI rally was a very impressive show indeed. The crowd was not only negative about present status quo.. but people had a hope in their eyes. A thing rarely seen in Pakistan..
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You need to take into account factors like kind of atmosphere, crowd, past history for comparing both rallies. Number of people is not the only criteria for success.
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IK’s rally was in lahore which was always considered to be NS’s stronghold. Imran held the rally at Minar e Pakistan which has seldom been filled to its full capacity and he took a huge risk filling it.
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Crowd at IK’s rally consisted of educated class who came with families and who chanted all along. The kind of fervor shown there has been unheard of in political rallies. They came out of their own accord. NOT because of fear of their lives or they were paid to.
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Altaf’s rally was big but MQM always had a strong base in karachi. I hope IK is allowed to hold a rally in karachi as well and that will be another measure of PTI’s base in other provinces.
So before comparing two rallies, take more factors into account.
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There can be two outcomes in my opinion:
1. PPP , MQM and ANP will be back in power in next elections. ( IK is cutting the votes of noon league)
2. All the muslim leagues will smell the danger and will unite.
no chance of IK to be PM in the next term ( may be in 2017 but not in 2012). like a wise man said, all politics is local, IK doesnt have candidates who can win in large numbers. his vote is scatted. just like in this jalsa a huge number of attendees were from outer states.
he is popular but hasnt crossed that thrash hold yet
re: Lahore Jalsa: Imran Khan's Moment!
In a way yes. IK has also tried to immitate the style of great Bhutto, who is still alive in the hearts of millions and millions Pakistanis. Though he is dead bodily, but his spirit is still alive as all politicians including IK has tried their best to copy him but unfortunately could not succeed. The words such as "nimaz ka waqt hay" or we will build new Pakistan etc are the words of ZAB. The purpose of comparison is just to show why IK's party has not taken off the ground even after lapse of 15 years where as great Bhutto became icon politician with in three years. Farq saaf zaahir hay. Though I prefer him among Sharif Brothers or Zardari if he provide vision for whole Pakistan, not only Lahore. I hope he would not fall into a trap like NS, the politics of Punjab only, then he will fail miserably.
Punjab it seems will get open and reject the ethnic cards from NS or PML N.. and mark my word as we draw nearer to the election the PTI factor will get stronger in Punjab. I know people like Jhangir Tareen and Shah Mehmood from south Punjab have informally joined PTI and will be participating in next election from their forum. Imran has informally agreed to stay as crowd puller and leave the nitty gritty politics to people like Shah Mehmood who has now become the main political advisor to Imran. (Shah Mehmood actually advised the speech to Imran sitting in Yousuf Salli haveli till two a.m. in the morning a day prior to rally). It is going to be major dent for PPP in South Punjab. Also Imran has made major inroads with youth in Pukhtoon areas.
It remains to be seen how Imran can make inroad in Sindh which is being taken for granted by MQM/PPP on ethnic grounds. We need a major mind shift in Sindh from ethnic mentality.. I hope it happens.. We need to end this ethnic exploitation in Pakistan..
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- Altaf's rally was big but MQM always had a strong base in karachi. I hope IK is allowed to hold a rally in karachi as well and that will be another measure of PTI's base in other provinces.
and more importantly, if you do not participate in the rallies / jalsas called by MQM, the chances are you may not be able live in Karachi...
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Hope IK has the wisdom, strength and support to make this song a reality. Heart warming performance by Strings and the crowd yesterday.
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Strings song was appropriate for the situation!
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Which singers were present in the rally. I read name of Shahzad Roy and Strings. Who else?