Lahore Incident, Terrorist attack or Targeted secular violence

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Just got a call and requesting special prayers...

Khuddam have apprehended a terrorist in Rabwah just few hours ago at night with Guns, Ammunition, Vest and Barood. Requesting Special Prayers... Tomorrow is Jumma as well. May Allah protect us from these animals.

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^ OMG!! This is never ending.
I guess it would be hard to hide in Rabwah becasue everyone knows everyone. And security is on high alert as well.

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well. firstly, I think that there ought to be a limit to what kind of an opinion you can express. in the US you can't run around screaming that you support Taliban, 9/11 bombers, etc. then why are supporters of TTP allowed to post their support of these terrorists on a Pakistani forum? we don't live in ordinary times. we're in a state of war. and we can't afford to claim as part of our civil society people who openly support terrorists and terrorism. it boggles my mind - how can people get away with supporting the enemies of the state of Pakistan on a Pakistani forum. if it's because there is no rule that prevents that. then, make the right kind of rules.

posters from other countries/nationalities get banned for saying anti-Pakistan things on this forum. then, why are so-called Pakistanis allowed to spout anti-Pakistan propaganda and support the enemies of Pakistan without any check? supporting terrorists should be against the rules on this forum.

anyway, coming back to the Ahmedi issue. you're probably right. his posts on this issue probably don't warrant a ban. but do you really think it is appropriate to post fatwas against Ahmedis in a thread that is discussing the terrible terrorist attacks their community just faced. do they deserve sympathy and condolences or fatwas and more hatred?

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I asked you and others like you to post proofs of my support of TTP and other terrorists in Pakistan. What do I get? Accusations. I'm labeled a terrorist by firenze then I'm labeled a terrorist sympathizer by you folks. Without any proof! No post of mine says that I support TTP. Unless you bring proof, you and others like you will keep looking like trolls in my view.

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i can vouch for cp, he has never posted supported ttp. perhaps im most sympathetic to their plight on this forum. i think the overall situation is caused by the americans and the pakistani establishment

although my posts have been removed from this thread for defending the decision to withdraw muslim status from the mirzai religion, i think the mirzai community may continue to suffer more attacks, not through any fault of their own but the continued war in fata. the mirzais are now being held as human shields as a consequence of the not-so-wise decisions of the state

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cricketplaya,

I read a post from you in which you admitted to being an al qaeda / taliban supporter. I tried to find from your history when you asked for a proof from me in one of the other threads. But since only 20 pages of your latest posts were available, I could nto find it. To remind you thought I can tell you how I read it:

Another member of this forum said something along the lines of:

"And then you claim to be an al qaeda / taliban supporter"

You responded by quoting him / her post as:

"Al hamdolillah"

As per my understanding, saying 'al hamdolillah' to something means you're agreeing with it or proud of it. I am not sure if you were joking or you were serious but there was nothing else in your post which would suggest that you were joking. And that came not only as a shock but considering the kind of terror al qaeda has caused the people of the world & the people of Pakistan, it was very disgusting knowing a Pakistani who claims to be a 'true muslim' supporting al qaeda.

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cricketplaya = KGB :hehe:

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So we're supposed to be sympathetic and tolerant to blasphemy now?

Ahmadiyat is not a faith. it is a cult and a fitnah and there's absolutely no reason why it should be respected.

At every opportunity we need to make it clear to ahmadis that They are Wrong. I respect them as human beings, same as I would respect any other person committing wrong - at the basic human level.

I disrespect - rather Detest - Ahmadiyat. Just like i detest all other evils - theft, murder, homosexuality etc.

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They started it by using this incident as an opportunity to Pakistan-bash and make the unfortunate event an excuse to lobby for repeal of 2nd amendment. When they themselves are not respecting their community and its loss, and issuing provocative statements, it does not set a good precedent really.

Pakistanis came two steps forward and condemned the incident, but I guess Ahmadis decided to take advantage of the situation.

I do not understand why people are after cricketplaya in this thread. Just look at the thread starter dtox and other ahmadis - this thread was started on May 30 - not even past 3 day mourning - and already they are using the incident to give it a sectarian color and trying to further their agenda.

In such a situation, I am surprised at the level of patience/tolerance everyone has still shown. It seems non-ahmadis are more respectful towards the ahmadis who were killed than their own community members.

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How exactly do you define a faith? Whats the difference between a faith and a cult in your oppinion.

Ask anyone who isnt a Muslim, and hates Muslims, and they will say the same of Islam in general.

You obviously expect people to respect you and your religion, but im not sure why?!?

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Ahmadiyat is not a faith. it is a cult
-I agree with this part of ur statement.
there's absolutely no reason why it should be respected.
-This is where** i disagree*, **as citizens of Pak* they have all the right to belive in anything they want!

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there's absolutely no reason why it should be respected.
-This is where* i disagree*, **as citizens of Pak* they have all the right to belive in anything they want! *

They can believe whatever they want. Doesn't mean I have to respect it. Choose to agree or disagree.

Med911

*How exactly do you define a faith? Whats the difference between a faith and a cult in your oppinion. *

I don't really have definitions. Islam, Christianity, Judaism, even Buddism, Bahaism, Jainism etc are religions.

A cult is blind following of a person. Like you guys blindly follow your Khalifa. Every khalifa comes and says something new and you scrap everything the previous one said and start following the new one like blind sheep.

Ask anyone who isnt a Muslim, and hates Muslims, and they will say the same of Islam in general.

Islam is a cult? how so. Never heard this one before. Enlighten please! Gracias

*You obviously expect people to respect you and your religion, but im not sure why?!? *

I don't expect anyone to do anything. All I know is I've been asked to respect other peoples religions.
Ahmadiyat, however, is not a religion. It's an ugly distortion, an illegal distortion, of Islam.

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Its unfortunate that you were banned so you can no longer reply. But assuming you can still read this..
I dont know who you are refering to as "you guys" are, but a cult seems to be defined by anyone who isnt a member of that religous group.

By your derfinition, YOU and all Muslims can be labeled as a cult.
You said that in a cult, the "cult is blind following of a person."
Muslims follow the teaching of the Prophet Muhammad PBUH. So people can rightly say that Muslims in general are also cultists.
Infact, just about all religions follow the spiritual teaching of a person. Christians follow Jesus, infact they turn him into a god. Buddhist follow the Buddha, etc etc.

And who is calling Islam a cult? Anyone and everyone that hates Islam is calling Islam a cult. Perhaps you need to do some reading.

Now dont be stupid. You and people like you would be up in arms if someone disrespected your religious beliefs, so obviously you expect others to respect you. But your to much of a hypocrit to realize that respect for yourselves starts by respect for others.

As for Ahmadi beliefs. Who really gives a crap. Christian have been accused by Jews of distorting their relgion as per the old testement, and Christians have accused Muslims of misinterpreting Christ, Muslims do the same of Christians.
Every new religion brings with it things that are considered heretical to the older establishment.