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Uhm, I’m not in any powerful leadership position… :halo:
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Oh ho. I wasn't talking about you. But you are going to college right?
Lets just say this. Every movement has its extremists, but that movement should not be defined by extremists alone. If feminists never existed, we wouldn't have the opportunity to go to college, let alone read and write so that we can use the GS internet forums to communicate our opinions to one another and to our male counterparts.
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I stated my views of feminism. The basics that were fought for in the earlier days, and the fight going on currently in third world countries is valid feminism. Again, fighting for the right to walk around with ur tits hanging out is NOT feminism.
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Oh absolutely. I think people have lost sight of what feminism was and I think we women take thing for granted too much these days. We don't realize that most women in the world still dont have the priveleges we do, and that not too long ago, women in the West did not have these priveleges either.
But there is still a lot of work for feminism to do, I think. Productive work. Who gets off the elevator first is a trivial issue, and you have issues if you're sitting here thinking about the ethics of elevator manners.
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**Let me ask you something. Do you think marriage should be abolished too? Because that's where the movement is heading. Islam recognizes that men and women are not equal and to treat them as such would only create conflicts (as the western society is realizing). It doesnt mean that women are inferior or superior to men, but that they are different and their needs should be catered to accordingly.
Feminists fail precisely because in attempting to be equal to men, they end up imitating men. Men blaze the trail, and feminazis follow suit, and in doing so, these chammpions of women's lib end up making an agenda that dont suit real women's needs.**
I agree, yet I disagree as well. For the purposes of this website, since we're dealing with a Pakistani community, I think the feminist focus would be on rapes, and the mentality that women are inferior, and harassment and etc etc that is prevalent in the Pakistani community - despite the presence of Islam, ironically.
Therefore, I don't get it why people here get peeved at feminists, because last I checked, no one was arguing to allow women to walk naked on the streets, and that sort of useless arguments.
Now, when you talk about immitating men, the thing that foremost comes to my mind is women working. I don't think that women should not work, or they should not take up some sort of career or project that can keep their mind busy and working on something. In fact, I actually think it can be healthy.
There will be working ladies that can't manage their stress, yes, but I dont think stress is "involuntary". I think we as humans have a major capacity to adjust ourselves and deal with stress - hence the term "stress-management". I think it can be minimized with proper planning. Who says work has to be tiresome? For me, what I do is something that really really excites me and it keeps me going thru the day. If I am away from it, I'm unhappy, and therefore more stressed than if I was simply at work.
Its not like that with all women - point of the feminist movement with respect to working women is not that every woman shoudl go get a 9-5 job. Rather, every woman should do what she wants with her life, without a man stopping her. Now, that's not to say she should be irresponsible.
But BOTH man and woman have a responsibility towards family life. A good healthy family is one in which both mommy and daddy are actively involved in.
I don't recall working men who work from 6 am until 11 pm getting criticized. But guess what? Its what my dad has done all his life. And has it hurt the family's health? To some extent, I think so. I think my dad should have been spending more time with us, to get to know us better. Now, where do you see men like that being criticized?
But if you had a mom who did the same thing, and for argument's sake we can say the dad stayed at home most of the time with the kids during the day, then Pakistanis will be all up in arms about how the mom is being a bad mother.
My point is - both mommy and daddy are needed at home. Both mommy and daddy have a right to have stimulating careers/projects/activities in their lives. And both mommy and daddy are needed by the child. I don't think Islam says anything different than this, do you? Yet, this is equality in my eyes. Does it mean women and men are the SAME in every which way? No.
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Oh and as for the chivalry topic, since that's what this thread is really about. Like I said, holding doors in not an issue of feminism and that sort of thing. Its about politeness. I always hold doors for my friends and coworkers etc who are women and men. Its more about your position to me. Say you were walking a bit ahead of me, and you get to the door before me, it would be NICE for you to hold it open and let me in first. It just shows you're aware of the other person's presence and that you're being respectful.
I dont see where feminism comes into play at all, really.
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PCG, i admire the way u write and love they way u response...i never replied ur post b/c it is more fun toread them :)
good going!
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dope sahib I havfe 5 assignments to finsh, but rest assured i will kick ass in due time. I write ass and not arss on purpose.
au revoir amour
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Hiccupette, I hope you use spell check on em when you finsh em...
secondly...no you wont kick anything...tisnt ladylike
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5 assignments?
a) getting a buzz cut,
b) buying cat food,
c) making flyers for “say no to marriage” rally,
d) reading V. Woolf’s biography, and finally
e) doing all the work a man could have done for you
do use up your valuable time. tsk tsk. See, I told ya.
I am waiting hiccy. bring it on sista:blush:
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Dope mon ami, I am a new age woman, I don't need a man to carry my stuff for me - or indeed for him to do anything at all "for" me. I am more than capable of everything myself. Even, as pcg often recomends running off to the sperm bank and so on. So there. You need us more, admit it.
My five assignments were three physics and a chem - the other was voluntry and constituted helping out with the newsletter of an organisation where I frequent my sundays.
I know you are baiting me. But I cant help it :(
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Women are paid less than men for the same jobs
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And yet if it was not for feminists women wouldnt even get a look in to those jobs. There is a way to go, but if it was not for feminists then every lady would be an obese object at home cooking curry. Rather than making a useful contribution to society and acting as a good role model for her children. Women would be a totally dependent species (feeding ur egos admitdly) and so on..and also as an aside, I assure you that many a discrepency in pay in non gender related. Those pretty bonuses that brown-nosing-btard gets...its not because of his masuline cleveage I assure you.
You talk about capitalists and feminsts. The communist revolution in China was spear headed my the female community, many historians agree that without the support of the female poplace that change could not have taken place. And oh how the capitalist imperialists danced in China.
That would have been impossible if they had listened to you and done nothing but cow-esquely suckled their children all day.
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There is a possiblity that stay-home wives might be at a greater health risk (obesity) than a professional women (work-out), but that is striclty a personal choice. Whereas if you strip out the voluntary factor (eathing unhealthy) and focus on the involuntary factor such as "stress," then you can make an apples to apples comparison.
I hope you dont want me to furnish stats that says a working woman has more stress than a stay home wife. Do ya?
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............. I got this far and my interest waned. If you'd rather marry an illiterate who is to mooch off you for an eternity, and if you in turn wish that for your daughters.
Then halleluliah (or amen? ) to you sista :p
I am not anti marrage btw, I simply think the definition of marrage has changed. it is a public declaration of an equal partnership intended for life. No longer does one partner "belong " to the other.
May amilie pankhurst lay blessed in heaven.
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and an after thought. Chivalry is not exclusively an act towards women. It held greater emphasis in war. I blame the degredation of society upon an increasingly selfish social attitude. In my town everyone is still nice and happy, and we all smile at one annother regardless (as pcg mentioned) of gender. And that is what it should be like. General politeness and helpfulness.
You shouldnt blame feminazis for your rude acquaintances but rather MTV. Have you heard of a soft bellied gansta-thug wholl kick the ish outta u but hold the door open beforehand? Im not wholly making sense. I dont wholly care.
BUt what I do care about is feminists getting a bad name becasue of some homo-butch dykes. You are intelligent people, you shoudl appreciate the struggle rather than undermine it, even in jest.
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How can you people bother to write so much? :D
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^ LOL
How can people bother to read so much? :D
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Because its a stirring topic. Since like half of our population is comprised of females.
Oh, and for those of you who want old chivalry to be back...heh - you should do some digging in your history books to see what medieval "chivalry" comprised of in its totality. It wasn't all just dramatic bows and "my lady's".
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There is a saying
Ladies first, Dogs follow 