Laanat, Curse !

[shardmanny]

Re: Laanat, Curse !

@BOY-NICE

I knew some Nasibi junk was coming where one would even disown his own scholar. But no problem, here is another authentication for you in terms of matn. In fact, its gonna hurt you a bit since this will tell you the deceiving tactics used by a grand scholar/author. There is no doubt about the incident since it can also be found in Sahih Bukhari. Bukhari recorded this very tradition from his master Humaidi but being a staunch biased Sahaba worshipper, he deleted the name of Samra and hence we can read this tradition in Sahih Bukhari in this manner:

**Narrated al-Humaidi from Sufyan from Amro bin Dinar from Tawoos from Ibn 'Abbas: **
**Once 'Umar was informed that a certain man sold alcohol. 'Umar said, “May Allah curse him! Doesn’t he know that Allah’s Apostle said, 'May Allah curse the Jews, for Allah had forbidden them to eat the fat of animals but they melted it and sold it.” **
See English Sahih Bukhari ,Volume 3, Book 34, Number 426

When we read this tradition from the original source from where Imam Bukhari had taken it i.e. from Musnad al-Humaidi, we find the name of Sahabi Samra is cited:

Narrated Sufyan from Amro bin Dinar from Tawoos from Ibn Abbas who said:
**Once 'Umar was informed that Samra sold alcohol. 'Umar said, “May Allah curse Samra! Doesn’t he know that Allah’s messenger said, 'May Allah curse the Jews, for Allah had forbidden them to eat the fat of animals but they melted it and sold it.”
**Musnad al-Humaidi, Volume 1 page 17 Tradition 15

theres many reasons why imam bukhari rah may have a different matn

one of them is other hadiths of the Prophet Sallallahu alaihi Wasallam.

i dont see a problem with the hadith as it is in bukhari.

for the accused it says “**Doesn’t he know” **-did he know?

For Umar RA it speaks volumes for him, he forbid evil and commanded RIGHT!

It does not really matter what I believe or not.

you dont have any fixed beliefs how can it matter?

thats one of the issues we have shia pagans cursing Companions RA and your source is very secretive but certainly not the Prophet SAW. so you are disbelievers and imposters, and you bring hermaphrodite type circus

We are debating over your beliefs here and per your school, it is indeed forbidden:

“Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq” (Sahih Bukhari)

But why do you ask this question? Isnt it better to stay on the topic instead of enquiring the permissibility of abusing someone or not?

**the question is what do i and other muslims think of a religion whose joint primary purpose is to curse and abuse?
**
the Prophet SAW said **“**Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (an evil-doing)” (Sahih Bukhari)

the Prophet SAW said:
The stars are means of security for the heaven, [that is, the heaven is maintained because of the delicate order among the stars]. When the stars are scattered [when that order collapses], what was promised for the heaven befalls it *. I am the means of security for my Companions [my Companions will continue to live in peace and security as long as I am alive]. When I leave the world, what was promised for my Companions will befall them. My Companions are means of security for my nation (Ummah). When my Companions leave the world, what was promised for my Ummah will befall them [they will be exposed to many misfortunes and calamities]

for Allah SWT the Prophet SAW said: “my generation is THE best”

Yeah and unlike other Nasibi governors of Muawiyah such as Busr bin Irtat, Ziyad, Kathir bin Shahab, Marwan bin al-Hakam, Sa’ad did not obey they orders of Muawiyah of cursing Ali bin Ai Talib (as) from pulpits!!!

sa’ad just continued cashing his salary! ok, what happend to your imamat theory here?
did the Prophet SAW not make known what he was sent for?*