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Lets say a girl was treated horribly by someone, you seriously expect her to still feel th same way about guys, sex, dating, love etc etc afterwards??
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I expect her to at least try to understand that faults lies with a specific guy or guys not with the whole of the genepool. That said, I would certainly understand if she personally feels uncomfortable around guys/sex and all that jazz.

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You knwo what? Our experiences shape our opinions and outlook on life and vice versa. If someone has a personally bad experience, or knows of someone close who did, why shouldn't we go by it?
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Because our experience isn't the only permutation possible. Generally speaking, if an experiment goes wrong, there is a reason for it. If that problem is fixed, there is no reason that the experiment wouldn't work on retry.

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And why exactly is it wrong to discuss relationships with mates?

Are u kidding me? Disrespecting the privacy of a relationship is about one of the worst things both a guy and a girl can do. Its utterly wrong. I know guys who will go around and describe a female's body to other guys, to impress them what nice meat they "tapped".

That's disgusting behavior, and a guy like that really doesn't deserve to be in a relationship.

And you're right. Women share a good deal of the blame too. Too many of them are naive when entering relationships and they expect their boyfriend to treat them like a husband would. They don't realize that men treat their ghar ki aurat differently from the bharwali kind. They should definitely be more wise. As I said to Aasha - best thing she can do for herself is just to focus on herself. No need to go after any men or furthermore, even have expectations of men. They're not worth it.

And don't worry about me, No. X. I'm not really looking for a man, actually. I don't care much of it anymore, and the more I experience life and the more I experience the outside world, the more I realize how worthless and pointless it is to get involved with someone who is not serious and who wasn't raised to be serious. Like most Pakistani men.

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Because our experience isn't the only permutation possible. Generally speaking, if an experiment goes wrong, there is a reason for it. If that problem is fixed, there is no reason that the experiment wouldn't work on retry.

Are u encouraging girls to date before marriage? Interestingly, I'd like to know if you would marry someone who's been around the block and done this and that? Hmm?

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Talking about your rleationship and the example you gave are two differnet things. Guys usually won’t discuss that type of stuff with their friends about a girl they’re serious with. If it’s ust some girl theymessed arund with, had a onenight stand wit, then thas different… in most ppls eyes those type of girls dn’t deserve the same respect, simply coz it’s usually an anonymous and one-time type of thing…

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Yes. Date before marriage. Hell, cohabit before marriage for all I care. And yes I personally won't mind 'marrying' a girl who has been 'around the block', so to speak. By the way, what was your point with regard to that post? Or does your mind automatically likes to jump to racy thoughts...

PCG,

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Are you on crack or something? Do you actually believe that HUMANS don't, as a rule, talk about their significant others with their friends? (unless you mean talking about stuff in bed and other private things, which is rather anal, I agree)

oh and I don't give a **** about you personally. We were discussing opinions. :)

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^ Well take it a bit farther for Pakistani muslims. Remember in our culture, (culturally speaking), the “religious” girl is the one who doesn’t even talk much with ahray gharay men.

So its not surprising that a pakistani guy would actually go and talk to his friends about his girfriend.

My sister made the mistake of dating a guy in high school. She told him not to speak of the relationship to anyone, but he of course didn’t respect that request and told a few of his cousins. The cousins told their friends, and rumor spread. I met an old girfriend at some event and she asked me about my sister and where she’s going to school (probably to confirm which girl the rumor is about). She had this strange look on her face, and I asked her why she’s so interested in my sister? She said something about hearing some rumors about so-and-so dating such-and-such a guy.

Turns out that some girls really were interested in this guy (he was 4 years older than my sister). So what happened was that the girls spread some nasty rumors about her.

Later on when she told me about the relationship, it all made sense to me. She told me she ended it because he was telling other people about the relationship, and she didn’t like that because if our parents found out about it, it would hurt them a lot.

Well needless to say, I’ve done my best to keep her away from relationships. Teen hormones, I swear. My advice to her was that if she doens’t want people finding out about it, then why bother being in the relationship and taking the risk?

Interestingly, this boy proposed marriage to her - yes, in high school :rolleyes: . I asked her why she believed him? She said she just had, because her “heart” told her to. Of course, bollywood influence. Then I asked why he hadn’t spoken to our father about it if he was so serious. She didn’t have an answer to it.

And nicely enough, this same guy is going around and still spreading nasty rumors about her - saying the same thing - that he didn’t care for her to begin with.

Now don’t say I’m generalizing one incident. I know MANY girls who have been through the same kind of situation. Of course, details vary and differ from situation to situation. But in each case, I’ve found that the girl fell for the excuses that the guy made, and then the guy proceeded to lose respect for her (if he had any in the first place).

So Sara - the answer to your response is that most of these guys really aren’t serious to begin with. They want a quick bang for their buck. What happens afterwards, they dont care much about. And really who suffers a lot of the damage? The girl does.

Islam is right when it says not to bother dating. There is good reason for it.

aho

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Yes. Date before marriage. Hell, cohabit before marriage for all I care. And yes I personally won't mind 'marrying' a girl who has been 'around the block', so to speak. By the way, what was your point with regard to that post? Or does your mind automatically likes to jump to racy thoughts...

That is very nice and open-minded of you. Have u actually practiced what you preached? And furthermore, if you do happen to be an open-minded guy (which is rare) - do you think your family would have a problem with such a girl? Furthermore, do you think most guys out there are daring enough to say "okay, so she's not a virgin, I still will marry her", and who are gutsy enough to follow up with it?

*Are you on crack or something? Do you actually believe that HUMANS don't, as a rule, talk about their significant others with their friends? (unless you mean talking about stuff in bed and other private things, which is rather anal, I agree) *

Again, you'll have to ask the OP as to what was said. If he's talking about personal things like her body or sexual experiences - good we're on the same boat regarding that. If he wants to talk, fine. But don't lie to a girl and tell her that you wont say anything, and then actually go say it. Like I said - it differs between couple to couple - and it depends on the couple as to what is supposed to be secretive and what is not. Many guys I've seen just violate that. Most girls dont want the public to know they're dating, because then they are afraid they wont get good rishtaas. And guys will violate this all the time, by simply saying they are dating so and so.

oh and I don't give a ** about you personally. We were discussing opinions.**

Okay, then don't proceed to give me personal advice. :)

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PCG,

What I have practised in none of your business. :-) Rest assured I probably live a better and more fullfilling life then yours. The lacks of antagonism towards harmless people sees to that. :)

Personal advice? to you? Hehe. No ammount of advice will change what you are, it seems. I just hope no other women is foolish enough to espouse and take up views such as yours.

cynical, jaded people are generally good for a laugh or two.

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And what's your point? O ho - trying to insult someone directly over the internet. If that's what you're spending your falthoo time doing, then sure, I believe your life is about as fulfilling as its going to get.

aho

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so one of the reasons u broke off was that he was miser... are you a gold digger?

only stupid guys spend excessive money on their gfs..its different if it's mutual...but breaking up just cuz he doesnt spend enough money on u sounds shallow...

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^ I don't think that's what she said, loose lussi.

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she did say miser..dint she?

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She also said a lot of other things. Apparently, that's the only item you zoned in on.

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ofcourse it immediately raised some red flags...

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evil grin This deserves another thread topic altogether.

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it brings me back to the cardinal law:

a woman is just interested in a big bulge - either in a man's pants or wallet.

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^ :hehe:

Well it doesn’t make men better. They’re just interested in bodily bulges. Or holes.

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holes? that sounds pretty gay..

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oh wow.

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its not cafe lusti and pcg