Kismat / Entrapment

[hypnotix-2000]

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beautiful!!!

@abeeramahmood

" On no soul doth Allah place a burden greater than it can bear. It gets every good deed that it earns and it dufferes every ill that it earns. (Pray): 'Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget or fall into error, our Lord! Lay not on us a burden like that which Thou didst lay on those before us; Our Lord! Lay not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Blot out our sins and grant us forgiveness. Have mercy on us. Thou art our Protector, help us against those who stand against faith. " —Surah Al-Baqarah, Ruku 40 (2: 286) Madani. (A. Yusuf Ali Translation)

" No sould shall have a burden laid on it greater than it can bear " — Al-Baqarah, Ayah 233)

" On no soul do we place a burden greater than it can bear: before Us is a record which clearly shows the truth: they will never be wronged. " — Surah Al-Mu’minun, Ruku 4 (23:62)

[abeeramahmood]

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One of the 99 Names/Attributes of Allah:
An-Naseer - The HELPER (Find this name in Surat an-Nisaa', ayah 45)
Indeed, Allah (swt) gives us means to help ourselves, but we can only really truly harness those means if our Niyyah (Intention) is pure, i.e. For the sake of Allah... And how is that? We pray to Allah to help us, to GUIDE US to the best path to help ourselves...no?

And as I said earlier, we are going to make mistakes in this life, none of us are infallible (one could say this is predestined, like the nature of our birth, we are human and thus we will err). The circumstances for the 'sin'- how relevant are they? The important thing is to repent, no? For He is Most Merciful, no? Perhaps He wishes us to draw closer to him through repentance, no?

" Those that turn [to Allah] in repentance: that serve Him and praise Him; that wander in devotion to the Cause of Allah; that bow down and prostrate themselves in prayer; that enjoin good and forbid evil; and observe the limits set by Allah; [these do] rejoice. So PROCLAIM THE GLAD TIDINGS TO THE BELIEVERS. " --- Surah At-Taubah, Ruku 14, 9: 112

I guess you could say nothing that we can control is predetermined. But that is the same as saying everything is predetermined. But the choice at the present moment, is always ours... no?
I'm SO sorry if I've created any confusion.

[PrinceMS]

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• If God is helping one person and not helping in another (hence maybe putting him/her in a test) - isn't that unfair?
  [only possible scenerio where this will work is that - God has started this world with fixed laws of NATURE, which comes into play automatically depending on our choices and other physical laws of this world. Which may seem random / unperdictable to us, because we are too little to see the bigger picture?]

• If I can find an example where the weight on his shoulder is more than he/she can bear - what will that prove?
  (Criteria for more weight he/she can bear is basically where a person goes completely insane and/or do an act of extreme by all standards of norm)

[hypnotix-2000]

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All are invited… he is not helping selectively

96:14

أَلَمْ يَعْلَمْ بِأَنَّ اللَّهَ يَرَى
کیا (وہ شخص یہ) نہیں سمجھتا کہ قانونِ خداوند اِستسنٰی سے پاک ہے؟
Does he not know that Allah sees to it that His Laws are enforced without exception?

@PrinceMS

• If God is helping one person and not helping in another (hence maybe putting him/her in a test) - isn’t that unfair?
  [only possible scenerio where this will work is that - God has started this world with fixed laws of NATURE, which comes into play automatically depending on our choices and other physical laws of this world. Which may seem random / unperdictable to us, because we are too little to see the bigger picture?]

• If I can find an example where the weight on his shoulder is more than he/she can bear - what will that prove?
  (Criteria for more weight he/she can bear is basically where a person goes completely insane and/or do an act of extreme by all standards of norm)

[hypnotix-2000]

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@PrinceMS

If I can find an example where the weight on his shoulder is more than he/she can bear - what will that prove?
(Criteria for more weight he/she can bear is basically where a person goes completely insane and/or do an act of extreme by all standards of norm)

In that case that person is not to be held responsible on the day of judgement for what he/she does in insanity (junoon) … see? The idea is, No Excuses.

[nstar777]

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@abeeramahmood

Also interesting is how our freewill affects others. Like our names. Our parents named us certain things, without our free consent, in the majority of cases. And we do things all the time that affect others, without their consent. The whole of existence depends upon this, actions bouncing off of one another. The way we affect one another. It's beautiful. SubhanAllah. So we can't really call it predestination when things happen TO us. Because it's pretty much the fabric of existence itself. I could talk about this for ... a very long time.

Great analysis and very noble thoughts. I am going through some rough health issues and I need your prayers to help me in this difficult time. Please remember me in your prayers. I love your name (Abeera) sister what does it mean?

[abeeramahmood]

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Alhamdulillah :) May Allah give you speedy and full recovery. Ameen. Will keep you in my duas inshaAllah.

Abeera is Arabic it means fragrance.

[nstar777]

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@abeeramahmood

Alhamdulillah :) May Allah give you speedy and full recovery. Ameen. Will keep you in my duas inshaAllah.

Abeera is Arabic it means fragrance.

MashaAllah, I think you are worthy of that name and doing justice to it.

[abeeramahmood]

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Please make dua for all of us here at GS too :)

*Ibn Majah narrates on the authority of Umar that the Messenger of Allah, pease be upon him, said: 'When you visit a sick person, ask him to pray for you. Indeed, the prayer of a sick person is like the prayer of angels.' *(According to the author of Az-Zawa'id, the chain of narrators of this hadith is broken, yet it is sound and trustworthy, because otherwise it is authentic and narrators are trustworthy.)' --- Fiqh us-Sunnah (4.5b)

[nstar777]

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@abeeramahmood

Please make dua for all of us here at GS too :)

*Ibn Majah narrates on the authority of Umar that the Messenger of Allah, pease be upon him, said: 'When you visit a sick person, ask him to pray for you. Indeed, the prayer of a sick person is like the prayer of angels.' *(According to the author of Az-Zawa'id, the chain of narrators of this hadith is broken, yet it is sound and trustworthy, because otherwise it is authentic and narrators are trustworthy.)' --- Fiqh us-Sunnah (4.5b)

*I had never heard of this before. InshaAllah this gunahgaar will do dua for all my GS friends. *

[PrinceMS]

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@hypnotix-2000

In that case that person is not to be held responsible on the day of judgement for what he/she does in insanity (junoon) ... see? The idea is, No Excuses.

Is that an Assumption? Reference plz? The quotes I have seen so far says that , God doesn't bear more weight than a person can bear. Period. In real life, we can find examples otherwise.

I am not looking for an excuse, but we (humans) are the creature of "W", we need to know WHY/Who/What/... :)

[hypnotix-2000]

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Well sir that is question that must be asked... there is message inculcated in our minds since DAY-ONE that belief in God is a matter of a "leap of faith". Don't question, just believe (no matter how awkward it sounds).

In my opinion, the answer is on the contrary. God invites us to believe in Him through establishing a system of life, and recognize His nature/capability through His Manifestations, and that His message is asking you to do good deeds (with patience) and stay away from bad deeds, something that is for our collective benefit.

If a sane person fully understands this Message there is no doubt in my mind that he/she will not lose their minds. Most people do not even believe (and some even dont want to believe) in the system so how will they benefit from it?

Now on to the second part. Please tell me if you agree, if I have to use my mental faculties to recognize God and His Message, the second I have lost those abilities (due to accident, genetic disorder, torture, wrong medication etc) is the very second I am exempt from the "burden". I believe the Quran tell us of free choice, and a crazed man/woman does not have such a choice so how would he/she be accountable for anything they do in a state of craze/mental-illness/mental-damage? This is something pragmatic.

[Light_Bearer]

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@PrinceMS

- If God is helping one person and not helping in another (hence maybe putting him/her in a test) - isn't that unfair? [only possible scenerio where this will work is that - God has started this world with fixed laws of NATURE, which comes into play automatically depending on our choices and other physical laws of this world. Which may seem random / unperdictable to us, because we are too little to see the bigger picture?]

• If I can find an example where the weight on his shoulder is more than he/she can bear - what will that prove? (Criteria for more weight he/she can bear is basically where a person goes completely insane and/or do an act of extreme by all standards of norm)

Good post PrinceMS. It will prove nothing; people will not believe (not because you give sane/logical reason) simply because it goes against the basic belief of shoulder weight. Even if you bring thousand examples.

[PrinceMS]

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@Hypnotix: Good Analogy. Thanx. Totally agree with the fact and there are Quranic verses as well that ask you to ponder and discover the world

@Light Bearer: Don't really care much for the *norm *(meaning what normally people will accept). I need to be satisfied for as far as I can think.

[PrinceMS]

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@kantan

Q - If What we earn is fixed, why do we need to work for it? (why can't we just sit and wait for what is written for us to come to us)

ANS: The maximum amount you can earn is fixed, and God can fix that easily by setting the amount of Gold (or something else of value) available in the world, and the number of people who desire it. You cannot earn more gold than that which exists within the world and you will have to compete with others that want it as much as you do.

As for the second part of this question, God has also fixed what you will recieve if you don't work for it, but it won't necessarily be equal to what you would get if you worked. If you became paralyzed, perhaps your family or a charity group would attempt to take care of you. In this case, God has placed you among such a family and placed people that would form a charity group, and is thus taking care of you. If God had planned that you would die from hunger when you were 5, you could have been born in such a family. No amount of work, or lack of work would have saved you from that death if God had intended it to be.

can i have references for this?

[picoico]

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@PrinceMS

Q - If What we earn is fixed, why do we need to work for it? (why can't we just sit and wait for what is written for us to come to us)

Because then, what you would earn would be exactly what it would be if you were not working, or stopped working. This is a very similar problem to time-travel paradoxes.

How do we verify, unless you know exactly how much you were meant to earn? You need to exist oustide of time for that luxury...

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Q - If Allah knows that in certain circumstances I will commit a sin (basically broke down in front of my nafs because stress was too much for me to bear), whereas I would have generally (in differenct less stressful circumstances) would have NOT committed the sin - why was I put into that entrapment situation?
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What guarantee do we have that you didn't put yourself in that position? God allows you to sin...your behavior is not confined to natural laws or some animalistic behavioral order.

Entrapment...or passing the buck? :)

[Light_Bearer]

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@picoico

Entrapment...or passing the buck? :)

Yes I agree the buck is being passed to us humans. :) Dil pay mat lay yaar.

[picoico]

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^I don’t get it…how so?

[Light_Bearer]

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^Like it's all our fault. We could not understand. It's something which we did wrong. It was meant to be. So on so forth.

[picoico]

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^
So then, nothing is ever our fault? We're just always ignorant?

If it's our fault...it is. If it isn't...clearly we won't be punished...