You ppl must also have heard how a hindu was killed because he abused the Holy Prophet (PBUH) and then all the muslims praise that killer and if he is hanged or something for his crime he is called a ‘martyr’? Is such killing allowed in Islam? I asked my teacher that was someone killed due to the above reason in Holy Prophet’s life and he said no. He says that it was the duty of the state to punish such persons but he didn’t make clear whether it was allowed to kill such a person.
Personally, i think this is highly unislamic? what do you think?
It's blasphemy and Nabi (sallallaho alayhe wassallam) has the highest status after Allah and anyone who commits blasphemy and insults him should be killed.
A Muslim who has been blessed with the true love of his Beloved Leader (sallallaho alayhe wassallam) wouldn't think for a minute killing such a person was unislamic...
If somebody insults me, my mother or father I might forgive them but if somebody says anything against our Muhammad (sallallaho alayhe wassallam) such a person needs to be killed, kuttay kee maut maar dena chahiyey...
In matters of life and death, opinions are not as important as the sources of jurisdiction from which they are derived. If possible, can those who post in this thread please provide the sources for their arguments?
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It's blasphemy and Nabi (sallallaho alayhe wassallam) has the highest status after Allah and anyone who commits blasphemy and insults him should be killed....
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Did Allah swt give such an order? or did Prophet Mohammed PBUH say that? Any sources for your notions?
No Prophet of God was more blasphemed, maligned, insulted and abused during his life-time than the Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. He and his faithful followers were subjected to every kind of verbal invective and physical harrassment. He was forced to migrate from Mecca to Medina due to the severity of persecution by the Meccans. Ten years later he returned to Mecca with ten thousand followers who could have taken the town by storm but the Holy Prophet saw forbade any bloodshed. Much to the amazement of the Meccans he forgave them their cruel enormities and this was his general attitude throughout his life towards his enemies and blasphemous opponents. All Muslims look upon the Holy Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, as a perfect exemplar for mankind and they would do well to be moved and guided by his noble example.
No punishment for apostasy is prescribed in the Holy Quran. On the other hand the following verse completely refutes this erroneous claim:
Those who believe, then disbelieve, then again believe, then disbelieve and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them nor will He guide them to the right way. (4:138)
This verse proclaims that persons who renounce Islam have the opportunity to re-enter Islam if they so choose. This verse disproves the assertion that according to the Holy Quran an apostate should be put to death. Were death the automatic punishment for an apostate then there arises no question of having the opportunity to join Islam again. This verse mentions apostates who again accept Islam.
There is no mention in the Holy Quran or anywhere else of any punishment for an apostate which may be meted out to him by any other person. The consequences of his apostasy in this world and in the next life lie solely in the hands of God. Man is free to accept or reject whatever beliefs he chooses. God says in the Holy Quran:
There is no compulsion in religion. (2:257)
It is the truth from your Lord; wherefore let him who will believe and let him who will disbelieve. (18:30)
Islam recognizes the right of freedom of conscience and freedom of belief and that as far as one's religious belief is concerned one is answerable to God alone. No man has the right to punish another for his choice of belief. There is absolutely no compulsion whatsoever in Islam and no punishment of any kind permitted in the Holy Quran for apostasy.
Human rights are laid own in the Holy Quran which guarantee man the right of perfect freedom of faith and conscience. In such matters God is the Judge - not man.
Our constant prayer is Guide us on the Right Path. (1:6) - Amen.
Zaki, the punishment for apostasy is being discussed in another thread, why don’t you post your post their? echo opened this thread for discussing the punishment for blasphemy against Nabi (sallallaho alayhe wassallam)…
As far as the Quran not mentioning the punishment for blasphemy, neither does it say how we should pray Salaah or the amount of Zakaah we are to give etc. The Sunnah explains the Quran, both compliment each other. You can’t just pick ‘n’ choose Ahadeeth…
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As far as the Quran not mentioning the punishment for blasphemy, neither does it say how we should pray Salaah or the amount of Zakaah we are to give etc. The Sunnah explains the Quran, both compliment each other. You can’t just pick ‘n’ choose Ahadeeth…
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‘Ali (radhi allahu anhu) narrated a Jewish woman used to insult the Prophet (sallallahu alayhe wassallam) and say bad things about him, so a man strangled her until she died, and the Prophet (sallallahu alayhe wassallam) ruled that no blood money was due in this case. (Abu Dawood 4362)
Ibn ‘Abbas (radi allahu anhu) narrated that a blind man had a freed concubine (umm walad) who used to insult the Prophet (sallallahu alayhe wassallam) and say bad things about him. He told her not to do that but she did not stop, and he rebuked her but she did not heed him. One night, when she started to say bad things about the Prophet (sallallahu alayhe wassallam) and insult him, he took a short sword or dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it and killed her. The following morning that was mentioned to the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alayhe wassallam). He called the people together and said, “I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right over him that he should stand up.” The blind man stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allah, I am the one who did it; she used to insult you and say bad things about you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not give up her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was kind to me. Last night she began to insult you and say bad things about you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.” Thereupon the Prophet (sallallahu alayhe wassallam) said: “Bear witness, there is no blood money due for her.” (Abu Dawood 4361)
Al-Nasaa’i narrated that Abu Barzah al-Aslami said: A man spoke harshly to Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq and I said, ‘Shall I kill him?’ He rebuked me and said, ‘That is not for anyone after the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alayhe wassallam) .’” (Saheeh al-Nasaa’i 4071:3795)
As for some people saying that the Prophet (sallallahu alayhe wassallam) forgave when he was wronged well yes he did but sometimes he allowed for such people to be killed and now that he is no longer amongst us his forgiveness is impossible the blasphemer cannot be let of and must be killed. And obviously the blasphemer is also casting aspersions on God’s Message, His Book and His Religion.
Huzoor-e-Aqdas (sallallahu alayhe wassallam) ki shaan meiN gustaakhi karna koi ma’mooli si baat naheiN hai… tum Musalmano ki ghairat ko kya ho gaya hai?
Just for my understanding… so you are saying that since the Prophet :saw: forgave blood money in a couple of instances, it is similar to actually implore people to kill someone else because they insulted the Prophet :saw: ?
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As for some people saying that the Prophet (sallallahu alayhe wassallam) forgave when he was wronged well yes he did but sometimes he allowed for such people to be killed and now that he is no longer amongst us his forgiveness is impossible the blasphemer cannot be let of and must be killed....*
And you know for sure that Prophet Mohammed PBUH wouldn't forgive them so you kill them, right?
I think the Sahaabah (radhi allahu anhum) and the early Scholars of Islamic Jurisprudence were of this view and obviously they knew Islam better than us, then there’s those Ahadeeth as well… I think the blasphemer deserves it…
It’s sad how some Muslims live in telly-tubby land and think these punishments are too harsh…
I am not sure if its a matter of too harsh or too soft. But its more a question of who decides it. If people start deciding it on their own, then there will be chaos and anarchy on the road, because different people have different tolerance levels. We have one person roaming this board, who will probably slash your throat (or atleast claims to) if you won’t put :saw: after taking the name of the Prophet :saw: Go figure.
Plus it was different in the time of the Prophet (sallallaho alayhe wassallam) because Allah probably informed him about whose claim that so and so has committed blasphemy was genuine and who was just telling porkies to get away with murder...
But with us, we’re obviously not receiving Devine revelation so the criminal should be tried in an Islamic court and punished by the State…
Allah knows best.
PS. I’m no scholar or student of knowledge so if anything I say is true then that is from Allah Ta'ala and any mistakes I made are from me or satan.
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It’s sad how some Muslims live in telly-tubby land and think these punishments are too harsh…
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It's sad that some Muslims live in taliban land and think that a peaceful, tolerant religion could possibly allow a person to be killed for blasphemy. That's the type of persecution that led settlers to move to the Americas 500 years ago. That kind of dogmatic self righteousness is what frightens people about Islam.
Islam is not something that is to be taken as jest and mockery… It’s no joke yeah!
Why the hell would someone say something like that knowing what the consequences would be? Disbelievers are allowed to debate and question Islam but they are not allowed to make a mockery out of it just to take their frustration out. At the time of our Prophet (sallallaho alayhe wassallam) Christians would have debates with our Prophet (sallallaho alayhe wassllam) and he even allowed them to pray in a corner of our second most sacred Mosque when the time for their prayers came but they weren’t interested in a proper debate because deep down they knew Islam is the truth from God that’s why when the Prophet (sallallaho alayhe wassallam) challenged them to a Mubaahila (calling for Gods’ wrath upon those who lie against Him) the Christians got the sh!ts and turned down the offer and legged it back home. And during the Muslim rule over Al-Andalus the Christians there would have frequent debates with our scholars…
If this punishment for making a mockery out of Islam didn’t exist then Islam would be reduced to the same as Christianity, heck have you not seen in the movies? They say and depict stuff about Jesus Christ (alayhis salaam), which as a Muslim makes my blood boil.
Blasphemy is no joke… It’s got nothing to do with tolerance and freedom.. We’d rather be intolerant about blasphemy…
The problem is with your way of thinking and your preconceived ideas of right and wrong…
Every Islamic Punishment has to derived from Holy Quran or if not specificaly mentioned in Holy Quran then from the Ahadith. We also have to see what was the Sunnah of the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) regarding those punishments. Same goes for Blasphemy!
Killing for Blasphemy is irrational and barbaric. Since I'm mocking the killing for Blasphemy rule I guess I'm mocking your version of Islam. Should I be killed?