Not to glorify this killer, but can we honestly answer this question?
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/world-affairs/511607-muslim-youth-in-oslo-norway.html
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This guy seems to have read a lot about Pakistan,and maybe he had some problems with some Pakistani youth as his writings are about Pakistanis in general. Like every other incident this one also has a Pakistani angle to it . :o, here’s another article:
Analysis: Norwegian tragedy, Pakistani worriesBy Imtiaz Gul
Published: July 26, 2011
Anders Behring Breivik was driven by a paranoia of Muslims, and of Pakistanis in particular. Of all the nations, he singled out Pakistan as responsible for the future problems of Europe.
Most would run down Breivik as a sick young man, nurturing hatred and bias. But rejecting Breivik’s “Manifesto 2083” – a projection of Europe in slightly over 70 years from now, hardly serves those dismissive of the Norwegian who plunged the country into a state of mourning after gunning down some 68 youngsters attending a summer camp.
Of all Muslim societies, Pakistan seized Breivik’s imagination as a country typical for “denial of justice, intrusive religiousity and denial of rights to non-Muslims.” This must be a matter of introspection. In essence, Pakistan, for him, represents an embodiment of contradictions and denials, injustice, misgovernance and disorder which, in the long run, he fears would go on to galvanise other countries across the Indian Ocean and the Atlantic.
Breivik’s knowledge of Pakistan and Pakistan-origin Norwegians is based on his personal experiences, and extensive study of writings of people like Allama Muhammad Iqbal and Maulana Abul Ala Maududi, as well as prominent human rights activist Hina Jilani andDawn columnist Irfan Hussain.
The image that Pakistani, Turk or Algerian Muslims have created for themselves is nothing new but people in Europe have started viewing them as inflexible members of the societies which are feeding them. For these Muslims, European values don’t matter.
Breivik’s childhood best friend, a Pakistani Muslim immigrant to Norway, comes across as someone who despite having lived several years in Europe still resented Norwegian society because it “represented the exact opposite of Islamic ways.”
Through close ties with Muslim families, Breivik must have also observed the paradoxes that most Pakistanis, Arabs and Turks live in: treating sons different from the way they treat their daughters.
The refusal of Muslim immigrants to assimilate into European society also seems to drive Breivik’s fears. Much of this is rooted in the conservative backgrounds that many Pakistani immigrants come from. It also results in a ghettoized style of living.
Last year, I met a young Pakistani driver in Washington. His father had migrated to the USA. The young man was born in the US but still found American ingredients of a breakfast – bread, cheese, coffee, marmalade – “not for us.” He loved paratha and lassi or black tea. The family lives together in a big house – with the women busy serving the rest. Their lives hardly vary from their relatives back home.
Based on personal experience, one can say most Pakistanis and Turks start having nightmares when their daughters reach adolescence – the fear of their girls dating drives such parents crazy, and they start thinking of how to preempt that eventuality.
As far back as in the mid 1980s, when one visited Scandinavia for the first time, one could see how many people from Pakistan – all of them practicing Muslims, were milking the social security system.
They do this even today.
Very recently, a friend based in Paris was blacklisted for abuse of laws that bestow certain privileges to parents of immigrants settled in France. It was a painful story to hear. There are countless such stories across Europe.
As a whole, the picture that emerges from the lives of a majority of Pakistani immigrants is dismal. They refuse to integrate. These conditions have shaped Breivik’s thesis on Pakistan. One is neither buying this thesis nor suggesting it is the ultimate truth. Our Pakistani brothers and sisters, however, must reflect as to why he arrived at such conclusions.
Published in The Express Tribune, July 26[SUP]th[/SUP], 2011.
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Seems like he was obsessed with Pakistanis, but some of the questions he raised are important & specifically the question of tolerance. Why are Muslims so intolerance toward other's religious beliefs? Why can't Muslims convert to other religion without fear of being killed?
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I respectfully submit that asking this question in connection with this brutal murderer somehow provides legitimacy to his actions (even though that was not the OP's intent). IMO, this is not the time to analyze religion in connection with this incident - somehow this may legitimize future incidents of this nature. Self-reflection is good - but maybe not so soon after a mass murder which has been justified in this monster's mind precisely for the reasons OP stated.
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http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2011/07/26/norway-gunman-fascinated-by-hindu-nationalism/
Norway Gunman Fascinated by Hindu Nationalism
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^^^ good opportunity for the likes of digvijay singh, his next statement will be, RSS is involved in motivating this gunman:D, it is more dangerous than OSAMAJI's Al-quaida:D
then khaki chaddi, blunt trishul wielding, ash smeared Babas will call names to him. good indian political drama ahead
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He is a psycho , who care what he has to say about Pakistan , Muslims , or Islam.
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And he responds to this intolerance and injustice of Islam by killing 100 innocent non-muslims? 
Oh how much better he is than the damn Pakistanis!
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Too many threads and posts to justfy or indirectly justify crime against humanity.
Enough of this “intellectualism”. 
Why can’t it be said out and aloud,
Killing people like that has no rationality whatsoever. It is a barbaric, inhumane and disgusting act.
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I don’t agree with anything this guy did or his hateful or collective apparently racist views…however for the point that you mentioned..I believe he is
right..there is fear of life on muslims to convert in islamic countries…Also in some..non-muslim countries..I am no scholar but i’ve been told by my french
roommates that it is mandated to kill an apostate(he was an atheist himself)…
look at this series for instance in the UK
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I agree with CM in the other thread. I cannot ****ing beleive that you want to discuss the manifesto of a lunatic, the self pity is pathetic.
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Hi ex-girlfriend was a Pakistani and she got loads of gifts and favours from him and she gave him nothing back and went back to Pakistan and got married and thereafter started to call him Bhaijan Behring Breivik or simply Anders Bhai and that made him hate Pakistanis so much he wanted to take revenge.
Or may be I have an over-active imagination.
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no one has tried to answer the question yet...it's not about his manifesto.it's about a particular question he poses to show islam as an intolerant religion..it's more or less the truth..muslims in islamic countries do not convert for fear of being killed...
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no one has tried to answer the question yet...it's not about his manifesto.it's about a particular question he poses to show islam as an intolerant religion..it's more or less the truth..muslims in islamic countries do not convert for fear of being killed...
Peace samintown
This is a fob off ... Muslims - most of us don't convert out of Islam because we are convinced of its truth. And those who say it is because they fear x, y z are wasting their efforts ... all you need to see is the volumes of people who leave Pakistan on false claims that their renunciation of Islam has led their life to be in danger only so they can get out of Pakistan to work in the West ... When they come here they try to hide from the officials and go to the masajid and be even more religious ... Islam is in our blood.
On the other side there are many Pakistanis who are non-adherent and although they will never claim to be atheists they will behave that way, disagree with the beliefs of the Islamic 'aqeedah and as a result be murtad ... to stand on a podium and shamelessly declare that they renounce Islam is tantamount to treason. To actively work against Muslims purely because they are Muslims is a democratic crime in not so many words in a state like Pakistan ... I still prefer my girlfriend theory
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I respectfully submit that asking this question in connection with this brutal murderer somehow provides legitimacy to his actions (even though that was not the OP's intent). IMO, this is not the time to analyze religion in connection with this incident - somehow this may legitimize future incidents of this nature. Self-reflection is good - but maybe not so soon after a mass murder which has been justified in this monster's mind precisely for the reasons OP stated.
While I agree with thought in principle, and in no way am I suggesting that we should blame ourselves for the actions of a lunatic, I wonder when is the right time or right impetus for self reflection about our capacity for tolerance of others.
What I find unfortunate is that the strongest voices out there heard by non-Muslims or non-Pakistanis are the crazies who preach intolerance and are the war-mongerers. Why do we let the true followers or the decent folks' voices get drowned out? And more than that, what are we doing to challenge that intolerance - how do we effect change from within.
I think 99.999999% of us on this board would call ourselves rational, Allah-fearing people who abhor and condemn violence. Yet, what do we do amongst the Pakistanis and Muslims to take back that peaceful Islam and the civilized Pakistani community? Don't most of us (and I will point the finger at myself before anyone else), go tut-tut, say that's not me and my Islam and my Pakistan, and then allow it to be everyone else's problem but our own. How can or should we teach tolerance and civility?
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He's just another dude out to glorify himself. Look it his photographs FFS, dressed up in SEAL gear, posing with guns and what not. Another human stifled by his own inadequacies, latching on to a cause that will make him look and feel important. Too bad he failed to make a point but this kind of thing is a great test, brings out the bigot in some people while the rational in some others. Whatever, he's a tosser.
Too bad he's only going to spend 20-30 odd years in prison. Yay for limp-wristed-sissy-laws!
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Question for you all:
Is Anders Behring Breivik the same as or different than the 19 men who carried out the attack on 9/11? And please explain your answer?
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Question for you all:
Is Anders Behring Breivik the same as or no different than the 19 men who carried out the attack on 9/11? And please explain your answer?
He's more of a narcissist that those men. Granted, both set of people are evil and did something no one can justify but he was definitely more focused on promoting himself as the face of a cause and getting the attention. That is probably the only difference there.
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While none of his views or experiences can justify his acts... it is a valid question why some immigrants (many of them pakistanis) milk the social security system of european countries.. and then also hate their culture and country.. blaming them for their home country's problems..
you got a problem you get the f out and go back whre you came from.. pakistan india or whatever.
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If his questions are valid for any attention and discussion, then i guess Usama and Al-qaida were on same lines but on opposite direction... and we never wanted to listen to what they have to say, Pakistanies, Indians, Srilankans, or Bengales get undue social benefits which is not even fraction of the amount these european countries have looted or are looting from our side... Al-Qaida's response and logic doesn't make sense and is not worth discussing then this guys questions or logic or whatever ideology he had is non-sense is not worth a discussion