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^^ lol too much generalization… anyway Ask99, there are many threads on the movie, check them out. Some like it, other don’t. I love it…
actually there you go… http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=256553
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^^ lol toomuch generalization... anyway Ask99, there are many threads on the movie, check them out. Some like it, other don't. I love it...
i only talked about shoaib mansoor. i didn't include u/any1 else who is in love with this crap, so for now there is no generalization.
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well that is your opinion about showman but necessarly not true, actually not true at all. He doesn't think he is better then Prophet at all, if you disagree with his musical argument then that is another thing but there is no reason to say that he is thinks he is better then Prophets.....
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Waise the cast is pretty impressive
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yeah and they did a good job. Besides music there were many other good social issues raised in the movie... so watch it with open mind...
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I felt a bit dusturbed after reading Shoaib Mansoor’s interview(from an indian site tehelka) . He has clearly stated here that this film was his viewpoint on religion. well and good but somehow, I feel he tried to interpret islam as per his personal likes and dislikes. for example, in the court room scene the mullah(read SM) declared drinking alcohol is not liked by Allah when it’s clearly stated in the Quran that it’s a sin not just a minor dislikable act. shoaib mansoor should rise above biases. what sets out religion apart is that we are not dependent on how mr x or y interpret it for us. we’ve our book which addresses all aspects of life and anybody with common sense and integrity of character can fathom it’s meaning. people who try to create doubts are not sure about their own believes.
Here’s the interview:
Movie With A Message
Pakistani director Shoaib Mansoor is well-known for successful TV plays such as Ankahi. He speaks to SHALINI SINGH on his debut feature film Khuda Ke Liye that has been making waves internationally.
**Shoaib, you’re considered a prominent cultural figure in your country and *Khuda Ke Liye *is an important film to come out of Pakistan and also your first motion picture. What was the trigger for it and how would you contextualise it in the present political scenario? **
It wasn’t one single incident. It was thousands of wrong doings by people of my faith and others, which cultivated enormous anger in me over the years. Every faith and religion is full of its followers who interpret it in the most illogical and unworthy ways. Islam is no exception. Majority of the Muslims have been full of complaints on the subject but since they are tolerant and silent, people outside the Islamic faith never really knew about it. After the 9/11 incident, unfortunately, the silent and tolerant majority faced the major brunt and their lives became extremely difficult and just bearing a Muslim name became a crime. Extremism and rigid interpretations of religion had always bothered me but the post 9/11 scenario triggered the writer inside me.
**Does the film largely reflect what is on the Pakistani mindscape these days, given the fact that it has been well received by Pakistanis in Pakistan and abroad? **
Well, not only the Pakistanis but also Muslims all over have liked it. The film has been released in UAE where many Arabs watched and felt associated with the subject as much as the Pakistanis. After that it was shown at the Cairo Film Festival (where it won an Award) and I was amazed to see people crying during and at the end of it. Majority of them were Egyptians and they all came running to me after the show to express how they felt and how that it was the voice of their hearts too.
**Were you out to set a precedent wherein filmmakers / creative people spoke more freely on issues that surround them? **
Yes. I am aware of the century-long discussion about art for art’s sake or art, which has some substance. I believe in both. I see nothing wrong in a film made only for some artistic pleasure (and I’m sure at some point I’ll be doing the same too) but I do feel that the problems that we developing nations are facing these days do make it imperative for us to use all possible mediums to put our illiterate and underdeveloped minds on the right path. If someone chooses to reject my film on the premise that it is full of ideology and heavy message, honestly I don’t give a damn. I’m out to achieve something through cinema, be it limited to raising questions only.
**You’ve touched upon several sensitive aspects – Islamic fundamentalism, women’s rights in Pakistan, dilemmas faced by progressive Muslims in Pakistan and world over. Could you share with us your personal views on all these issues? Where do you see yourself fitting in? **
Whatever is there in the movie is my personal view and conviction. Being the writer and director of the movie I take full responsibility and ownership of the views expressed. The response that this film has received in all quarters of Tolerant and Silent Muslims shows that I’m not the only one who feels this way. I wish the non-Muslim communities realise and acknowledge this big reality.
How did working with Naseeruddin Shah come about?
Naseeruddin Shah has played the role of a positive-thinking and forward-looking scholar of Islam. His character had to summarise the whole theme and refute the orthodox and rigid philosophy propagated by an extremist Maulana sahab. I picked him for two reasons. One that he is a great actor with a lovely deep voice (which I think the film needed) and two that through him I could add a certain subtle novelty for the Pakistani audience, which would give the character of Maulana Wali a tremendous boost. We did not know each other at all. He had not seen any of my previous work and even if he had he didn’t know it was mine (I hear that many in India have seen my play Unkahi). I got his number from my friend Salman Ahmad and called. His response was “Main commit nahin kar sukta, aap script bhijwa deejye main purh ke bataoonga”. I sent the script. The very third day I received an SMS from him saying “I love it. I will do it and won’t take any money for it”. I tried my best to convince him on the money matter but he did not budge. He is now that one man in my life who when I think of makes me feel small.
**What response did you anticipate for the film? What have been some of the reactions that you’ve got? **
Honestly, despite being very confident (I’ve been very successful in television since the last 30 years. I’m sorry for this conceited statement but it’s because people in India don’t know me.) I was afraid and ready to face the first failure of my life owing to what I went through the shooting of the whole movie. It’s a very long story. People in Pakistan knew fully well what was happening over and over again. It took four years to get finished and during that there were times when I was sure that it would never see the screen. Despite my utter dissatisfaction with the making of it, I was depending a lot on my script and eventually that’s what came to my rescue. The response has been tremendous. The only negative one I received came from one named Tariq Ali Khan (who lives in Britain and is a very respected thinker). He thought it was similar to bad propaganda movies that were made in the USSR during the Communist days. All in all, I respect his assessment.
**What plans to take the film forward, to other audiences? **
The film has already gone to UAE, UK and US and has done well. I have big hopes for it in India and the Arab World. It is an expensive film (from Pakistani point of view!) and Pakistan being a very small market for films cannot alone return the costs incurred. http://www.tehelka.com/story_main36.asp?filename=Ws221207Movie.asp
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Its a great movie and a must watch. Talks about a lot of issues within Pakistan which need awareness.
Its because of idiots and ignorent people like "Saieen" Pakistan is in the state it is in today. Ever heard of something called 'tolerence'? Everyone has the right to express their point of view...you dont have dont agree with it but that gives you no right to insult someone because of how they view things. Whatever Shoaib Mansoor has showed in the movie is his point of view and it doesnt hurt anyone. Whether you agree with it or not, thats an entirelty different issue. Why dont you go join the threads in the Religion forum and bash the movie on the name of religion. No one cares about your ignorence-filled posts in 'Khail Khalari' anymore so you've started posting at other places.
Maybe you should create your own thread and rant about how you hate Shoaib Mansoor and the Pakistani Cricket team and the Pakistani cricket board day and night?
Khuda Ke Liye is a landmark in Pakistani cinema and the warm welcome it has recieved throughout the world is huge example of that. Wherever the movie has played, it has won the hearts of its viewers. No other Pakistani movie has ever achieved this feat ever before.
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well what thing disturbs you. it is in Quran that drinking is haram. dont know what part disturbed you 
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I’m re-writing it so it’s clearer to you.Drinking alcohol is haraam in our religion (as stated in the Quan)whereas in KKL, SM has purported the idea ‘sharaab peena napasandeeda hai’. " There’s a quite a big difference between ‘napasendeeda’ and ‘haraam’. if this is a reflection of shoaib mansoor’s viewpoint on religion(as he says in his interview) I find it in quite disturbing.Because he’s declaring a sin as something quite minor.
secondly,he talks about orthodox view on islam and modern view on islam. I think our religion is quite simple and it’s clearly stated whats haraam and whats halaal. Whereas it is his film that tries to create a confusion by misquoting and misinterpreting a couple of quarinic injunctions. I’ve been a big admirer of SM and would like to know how did he draw all these conclusions about dress code, alcohol, maryring an infidel etc?
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Finally saw this movie today. Wanted to see it for a long time since a lot of people had talked a lot about how good the movie is and how we should all support it.
In summary, its a very well made movie. Pretty good acting, nice script, solid messaging etc. But the movie is depressing as hell.
We watched it with some friends, and when it ended we looked at each other with the look "thank God its finished." By the time the credits are rolling up, you'd feel utterly frustrated with a bunch of folks in the movie (I am sure many viewers will gladly slap the hypocratic mullah sahab in real life) and completely and utterly feel sad about the characters of Shan, Imaan, Shan's wife as well as Shan's parents and pretty much every one else in the movie. Total depression.
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Do you guys know any link to the movie because I checked it’s not relaesed here yet 
and no chances.
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Finally I was able to watch this movie on big screen.It is a very nice movie but the part about music,marriage are totally wrong.
Khuda Ke Liye- Reviews!
Khuda Kay Liye
31 Mar, 2008 09:13 am IST
Gaurav Malani/INDIATIMES MOVIES
- **Director: **Shoaib Mansoor At the advent of the millennium Indian cinema witnessed a slew of fanatically jingoistic Pak-bashing films. Like any other passing phase, this too was substituted with pro-Pakistan films on the grounds of establishing good relations in changing times with our neighbouring country. From the victimized Muslims to terrorizing ones, we have seen enough of them on the Indian screen. But in most cases it was often served with the commercial consideration of manipulating an audience in the minority community. But when a Pakistani filmmaker comes up with a film, valiantly and unabashedly showing the black and white shades of the countrymen in a seemingly unbiased demeanour, the outcome appears more credible and relevant. Cinematically, we have often realized the potential of Pakistan in poetry but ridiculed it for prose. *Khuda Kay Liye *changes the latter notion with its poised and progressive point of view.
At the outset, *Khuda Kay Liye *starts as a story of two rock musician brothers Mansoor (Shan) and Sarmad (Fawad Khan) from Pakistan who are at the prime of their careers. The younger, Sarmad however comes in contact with a religious extremist group headed by Moulana Tahiri (Rasheed Naz) who brainwashes his mind into believing that pursuing music is against Islam. Slowly and subsequently he gives up music, starts keeping a beard and separates himself from his family to join the radical fundamentalists.
The story diversifies into a parallel track where Sarmad’s uncle (Humayun Kazmi) who is settled in London is worried of losing his only daughter Mary (Iman Ali) to a British guy who she is in love with. This despite the fact that the father himself is in a live-in relationship with a British woman! He justifies his double-standards offering the excuse that Islam allows a man to have relationship outside their religion but not a woman. So he gets his daughter to Pakistan to surreptitiously get her married with a prospective Pakistani groom. While we have seen such setting in several Hindi films (DDLJ, Namastey London), this one fortunately doesn’t lead to exploiting patriotic sentiments but on the contrary shows how the daughter is wronged in settling in country, absolutely alien to her.
The father initially asks Mansoor to get married to Mary but when he refuses, Sarmad is approached. Sarmad agrees and an incognizant Mary is forcibly married off to him at the outskirts of undeveloped Afghanistan. The father heartlessly leaves Mary behind in a region so rural that he finds difficult to use the toilets there. All this just so that his descendants are Pakistani!
On the other hand, the liberal Muslim, Mansoor’s story proceeds as he migrates to US to study music. But unfortunately after the 9/11 attack he is wrongly accused of being involved with terrorist organizations since he’s a Muslim.
Director Shoaib Mansoor remarkably reveals the plight of Muslim in three different continents and connects them in a fascinating way to comprehensively capture all interconnected issues. Not only does the film exhibit a drift between the Muslims and the Western World but also internally amongst the Muslim community amid the Liberals and the Extremists.
The climax set in a courtroom clears all ancient myths about Islam of men growing beard, women being behind veil and youngsters abhorring music and Western attire. Naseeruddin Shah impresses in a cameo playing a Muslim cleric who gives a disclosing discourse on how the fanatic fundamentalists manipulate Islam for their personal gains. All in the name of God! The director conceivably puts in a lot of his personal reformist thoughts in the film without getting preachy and retaining the entertainment value.
The production values aren’t slapdash as anticipated from usual Pakistani films. In fact it’s top-notch and at par with what the story seeks. The language wouldn’t be a problem with the Indian audience but the viewer needs to be a little more attentive in Naseer’s chaste Urdu revelation. Music undoubtedly is a highlight with the Sufi rock-number ‘ B*andya'and the undiluted devotional track ‘*Allah Ho’ standing out.
Performances are equally accomplished. On an Indian analogy, Shan appears as a mix of Sanjay Dutt and Adnan Sami in his looks and comes up with a fabulous act. Fawad Khan as the indoctrinated extremist is engaging. Rasheed Naz is convincing as the venom-spewing and influential fundamentalist. Iman Ali gets an equally meaty role as much as her male counterparts and emerges victorious with her riveting performance.
Khuda Kay Liye vindicates the fallacy against the regressive approach of Islam and also clears the myth that Pakistani films are constrained to shoddy standards. In fact this one is much above excellence as compared to several Bollywood potboilers.
For God’s sake, you can’t afford to miss K**huda Kay Liye* *
Source: Indiatimes
Guys, i am sure you all must have also seen this great movie so share your review or thoughts on it here. I will write my later.
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I haven't seen it but my teen age sisters in law did watch it with their parents in cinema in Pakistan and they told me it was embarassing to hear "F" word and some other scenes including where the hero goes to sleep with his wife etc.
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^ ok its their opinion but i didnt see anything vulgar about those scenes. The f-word was justified cuz of his anger and i dont even remember if it was censored or not. As for the scene where fahad goes to Iman to consumate their marriage...that was also part of story and needed to show their personalities n characters. I didnt find anything vulgar about the movie at all.
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OOOH My GOSH 
this is so embarrassing !!! 
This is so bad. How can he do that ? disgusting
Here, hero only goes to sleep his neighbor’s ex-wife
Get a life, hareem 
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Btw, dont you know that we have quite extensively discussed the movie and reviewed it in that mile long thread here in this forum ? :aq:
Phir se shorow karna parey ga ? 
Hareem01- KKL is an "ADULT" movie. It was (rightly ) given this 18+ rating when they showed it in Dubai ! Go figure
The rating is due to voilence and language. Film main sexuality ka tu naam-o-nishan bhi nahi hai. Apni ninaan ko samjhao ke beta ! shaadi ke baad shorow shorow main husband our wife ek hi kamrey main sotey hain, ziada pareshan honey ki zaroorat nahi… haan albatta 6,8 saal ke baad koi tain patas hojaye tu husband bechara ‘relocate’ kar jata , hai waqti tour per
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well they just showed tht he went in the room n closed the door … n to be honest … thts almost nothing if u’ve seen Pakistani actress dances in rain or in khait
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no i didnt know…han phir se shorow karna parey ga…its the demand of the day :D.
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Looking forward to this movie. heard soo much about it.
funny my one Pakistani friend actually tried to talk me out of watching this movie!!!