Khuda ke Liye- the hottest anti-Islamic movie in Pakistan

Re: Khuda ke Liye- the hottest anti-Islamic movie in Pakistan

You CAN make an Islamic republic. Start by being a good citizen and being active in your mosque and a good citizen. :-)

By the way, all the muslims that have lived and died are going to hell because they didn't happen to live under some Islamic republic? Doubtful. You don't need to be involved in politics and pushing for a Islamic republic to be a muslim. You can work in making the environment around you more muslim. That can mean picking up the trash from the street. But no, people who want to make Islam political go after the two b's first: burqa and beard. Nothing else registers in their mind.

We've seen it in Afghanistan. We see it in hard-line madrassas around Pakistan. We see it in conservative Islamic societies everywhere in the world.

Burqa'ed women walking on streets littered with trash. That's your Islamic republic?

Whatever.

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I think what he might have meant is that this girl, being brough up in a hypocritic environment (muslim dad living with christian mom but forcing her to marry some muslim - happens all the time), and given the way they portray her, is not a true muslim to begin with.

Hence, if she marries a non-muslim, it makes no difference. The rule of not marrying outside your religion really isn't broken, since she never met the prerequisite of being a real muslim.

I think he means to say that you can't just go around calling someone a muslim, subjugating them to the religious requirements, and then call that Islam. What her father did to her was wrong. He should have seen that she doesn't have any affinity for religion to begin with.

At least that's my rough assessment without watching the movie. Saby, do they really show her to be a religious person before she's shipped away with her forced marriage?

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I can agree with that and I think this is a social issue. I only hope someone takes this a step further to what I alluded to in my post.

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yes, those are two wrongs, and both should be condemned.

Where does this part come from? That the batin needs to be sorted out before you start with the Zahir? Iam sorry but this is not Islam. In Islam, you work on them both at the same time, and actually they both complement each other.

And the Hadith for the Zahir are as strong and serious as for the Batin. Be it the beard, or the Hijab, or the clothing above the ankles..or anything else for that matter.

source of conflict? for centuries? amongst who, if i may ask?

All our scholar, all the four imams agreed, all the Sahaabas (pick up any book o tafseer, and read the text on the Ayaahs scholars use to condemn music), and their disciples...they all agreed that music is Haraam.

Just cause some one masters the arabic language, and starts calling music halaal, you dont use that as a difference of opinion amongst scholars. Hell, even Mirza Qadiyani (just like all the other fake prophets) was a scholar, and he called himself a Nabi...now would you use that as a difference of opinion and say...Yes! we can have a Prophet after the Rasoolallah (sas).?

The deen was made clear in the life of the Prophet (sas). And it is what the Companions of the Prophet understood it as. Modern interpretations and attempts to bend the religion to the left and the right, to make it compatible to today's age and time, is Haraam...and such attempts will not bear any fruit, and the people who are leading this front shall either be lost in time, or they shall be remembered just like people remember Mirza Qadiyani, Musallamah Kazzaab and Mir Sadiq/Mir Jaffar...

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Calm down

Where the heck are these mods of religion forum?

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Iam sorry. Altaf Hussein's been showin up on tv a bit too much these days..

Yup, ive caught the bug too :(

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from what I've gauged the movie seems a propaganda piece with several ideaological points wrapped in mitigating circumstances which I find very sneaky. i wouldnt watch it.

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Forget them.

They only show up, when one of their's gets attacked. A post condemning the Pak Army gets deleted in a record 20 sec. while posts where believing men and women are ridiculed and other blasphemous posts continue to stay.

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I gave a comment on the movie and shoib mansoor without any swearing or rude word and in response some people are acting like I have insulted their God.
When people can't argue they start getting emotional and abusive.

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I fully agree with your assessment especially the underlined part. Few words worth a complete essay.

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Seminole, it is a pity that after 1400+ years Muslims are living waiting for a dream environment which i suppose was not as rosy as it has been painted by official historians. For example, the succession issue, Wars between Prophet's wife and son-in-law, Killing of Third Caliph at hands of Fellow Muslims and Extermination of Prophet's complete family less one boy in Karbala only 50years after his death. I think this rosy picture of that time is only a dream in contemporary muslim mind.

That is why all these Khilafat proclaimers cannot produce one Hadeeth where Prophet has described what should be the form of an Islamic Government.

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true thats a start but not the goal ....

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By the way, all the muslims that have lived and died are going to hell because they didn't happen to live under some Islamic republic? Doubtful
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who said that? nor did I imply it ....but what I meant was that the better muslims are those who accept the will of God in EVERY aspect of their life including politics and atleast struggle for the establishment of shariah

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You don't need to be involved in politics and pushing for a Islamic republic to be a muslim.
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you dont even need to be praying 5times , fasting or picking up trash to be one either ...all you need is the kalimah
after that everything else are grades ...you are paying attention to the civic responsibilites of a muslim[which is great] but totally ignoring the political responsibilities

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You can work in making the environment around you more muslim. That can mean picking up the trash from the street. But no, people who want to make Islam political go after the two b's first: burqa and beard. Nothing else registers in their mind.

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some people twist islam for their ulterior motives thats a whole another discussion but dont think thats its just b & b sometimes the most popular or dare i say notorious ] issues just the tip of the iceberg representing resentment that is more deeply seated much more extensive social/political issues...e.g was the indian mutiny just about the pig-cow greased cartridges? or WW1 just about the assasination of austrian archduke

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We've seen it in Afghanistan. We see it in hard-line madrassas around Pakistan. We see it in conservative Islamic societies everywhere in the world.

Burqa'ed women walking on streets littered with trash. That's your Islamic republic?

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you just look at the negative aspects ...trash was not created by them nor is it going to go away overnite, in a country with multiple problems things cannot get better overnite
how many years and bloody civil wars did it take the british to establish a functioning democracy which even now isnt perfect]

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That is why all these Khilafat proclaimers cannot produce one Hadeeth where Prophet has described what should be the form of an Islamic Government
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His entire Seerah is proof, ever since he migrated arrived in Madinah. His life ever since is proof and example as to how a one should run an Islamic State.

Let me ask you...how many works on Seerah have you read, before coming out with this ridiculous claim?

Re: Khuda ke Liye- the hottest anti-Islamic movie in Pakistan

Hasnt he shown it while living in medina?

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SubhanAllah a mixture of views which show the two camps with the Muslim ummah the Islamists and the Secularists.

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there is even a very specific hadith saying that the khilafat Rashida will last for exactly 30yrs and will be later replaced by kingship .....

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more prophecies... if the Messenger Muhamad could look ahead into the future, then what was his point to deliver the message in the way that he did???

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There you go again....you keep accusing and then think it should be acceptable. But when you are corrected you start saying where the mods are, people are getting emotional and abusive, etc. Anyway, have fun accusing people without any proof, arguing with you isn't worth it anyway as you don't see the argument but start exclaiming that people are emotional and abusive who contradict you.

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I have given my comments based on people's opinion who have seen this movie.....

Who has given this person the right to make a movie only to bash an ex pop singer, Junaid Jamshed?

this movie is worst than Fox News and CNN...because it is made by a "muzlam".

And this is what people do now a days to gain fame and money....they write a book against Islam or make an anti islamic movie, while they know nothing about Islam.
This is the quickest way of becoming famous and rich.

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lolz hareem... he did not bash JJ but he disagrees with him. Showman doesn't need this movie to get famous or make money, he is a very well known director for ages. Movie isn't aniti islamic and last but not least...don't just read the negative reviews, read some positives ones too, you might gain something.