Re: Khuda ke Liye- the hottest anti-Islamic movie in Pakistan
Come to Pakistan in Ramadan and observe how much zakat is paid here. And also visit markets in Karachi and see how these bearded tagbleighi and non-bearded non-tableighi evade tax payments and fair wages to their employees. Pakistanies are deendar but they are no aimandar.
Ironically quite true
Re: Khuda ke Liye- the hottest anti-Islamic movie in Pakistan
Now this what proves that what you're saying is anything but the truth. Its you folks..who have made versions of Islam. There are no versions of Islam. There is only one Islam that the Prophet left us. But you guys prefer to believe in the Islam thats being spread by the Collation Alliance today, which has no basis from the Quran and Sunnah.
When an Islamic ruling is shown to you poeple, together with its proof from the Hadith...you tend to reject the Hadith. This is no Islam dude...its plain Kufr.
The version of Islam that you practice and preach, which calls for blowing up innocent people with suicide bombs is not the version of Islam practiced by majority of Muslims. Sorry, you are wrong. We don't need taliban mullahs or coalition to tell us what is wrong and what is right. Allah is enough and your suicide bomber heros will inshallah suffer in this world and in the hereafter.
Re: Khuda ke Liye- the hottest anti-Islamic movie in Pakistan
Well i do not agree in this argument on the basis of difference between Deen and Country. They are two different entities, one has geographical borders and other has intellectual. so to defend geo-borders you need military force and to defend intellectual borders you need scholarly force. If Islam needs a military to survive than it is a cult and not a religion where you need to force people to scuumb to your demand.
Your own argument is evident that every system needs a different force to survive. Banks and financial institutions are the guardians of captialism, parliment and people power is the guardian of democracy and of course communism is a failed system so it does not merit discussion.
I hope you have understood the point that Islam does not need a militant part to survive.
islam cannot be confined to mosques ...if its not practiced in its political form
then sorry to say its not practiced at all....all muslims should strive for establishment of political islam.
other religions may be a personal thing but once you enter into islam its not simply a personal thing you have to follow the rules
Re: Khuda ke Liye- the hottest anti-Islamic movie in Pakistan
islam cannot be confined to mosques ...if its not practiced in its political form then sorry to say its not practiced at all....all muslims should strive for establishment of political islam.
other religions may be a personal thing but once you enter into islam its not simply a personal thing you have to follow the rules
Political Islam - which was hardly seen in the Islamic history! The first two caliphs and then Omin bin Aziz and few adil salateen.
Re: Khuda ke Liye- the hottest anti-Islamic movie in Pakistan
welll that was indeed a harsh statement Mostar95 !
Re: Khuda ke Liye- the hottest anti-Islamic movie in Pakistan
Political Islam - which was hardly seen in the Islamic history! The first two caliphs and then Omin bin Aziz and few adil salateen. Rest were crap.
Very true ....I will say the first two caliphs, fourth and fifth caliph Hasan b Ali who stayed for a few months only ] .....and Umar II like you mentioned .....
but does this mean we give up all attempts to make a islamic republic ?
if that is true than the sacrifices of all revolutionaries like hussain b Ali ,kumayl b ziyad, zayd b Ali, yahya b zaid , abdullah b muawiyah , nafs as zakiyah etc were all in vain ?
we should not despair .....
Re: Khuda ke Liye- the hottest anti-Islamic movie in Pakistan
Sorry.
Re: Khuda ke Liye- the hottest anti-Islamic movie in Pakistan
Maybe it is time that you do some research before you start typing. You don't even know what the movie is about and **you are buck bucking **against Shoaib Manzoor. Shoaib Manzoor hasn't created any religion nor he is asking people to follow him. All he is saying is use your brain instead of following someone blindly.
Mods should take notice of this batameezi.
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This situation is predicted in Hadiths that there will come a time when people who no nothing of Islam will be teaching about Islam.
Our biggest problem is that we are soooo far from the authentic sunnah of the Rasool (peace be upon him) that even the moderate things seem extreme and narrow minded to us.
If u look at it in the context of becoming close to Allah, how does listening to romantic and vulgar songs help u in any way? How does spending more time trying to impress ur friends, trying to increase ur "ME" factor make u close to Allah? But then, the super liberal one will reply, "ok so shud we blow ourselves up then? shud we sleep on the floor?"
and just then and there, you notice, their hypocrisy, and how they try to convince themselves that the only thing Islam tells u to do is blow urself up and don't eat kabobs everyday.
The impermissability of music, gold silk etc, all serve to limit the arrogance within ur hearts, we are all like ships on the sea, we can carry a lot of islam on us, but if we let too much of the dunya in our hearts, then our hearts will sink, and so will our Islam become lost, and all over the place.
Please treat these prohibitions as avenues of becoming close to Allah, and trying to prove how much u really love Him instead, despite ur love for the imperfect dunya.
May Allah guide us all as we all are in need of His Mercy, none of us is perfect Only Allah is
Allahumma Ameen.
Ameen.....
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Mods should take notice of this batameezi.
i think mods need to actully take notice of this scum thread and close it down.
the topic started should be sent back to his caves, no talibanization on this forum please.
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i think mods need to actully take notice of this scum thread and close it down. the topic started should be sent back to his caves, no talibanization on this forum please.
Why "enlighted hypocrites" have to be so abusive and rude to convey their messages across?
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This situation is predicted in Hadiths that there will come a time when people who no nothing of Islam will be teaching about Islam.
Our biggest problem is that we are soooo far from the authentic sunnah of the Rasool (peace be upon him) that even the moderate things seem extreme and narrow minded to us.
If u look at it in the context of becoming close to Allah, how does listening to romantic and vulgar songs help u in any way? How does spending more time trying to impress ur friends, trying to increase ur "ME" factor make u close to Allah? But then, the super liberal one will reply, "ok so shud we blow ourselves up then? shud we sleep on the floor?"
and just then and there, you notice, their hypocrisy, and how they try to convince themselves that the only thing Islam tells u to do is blow urself up and don't eat kabobs everyday.
The impermissability of music, gold silk etc, all serve to limit the arrogance within ur hearts, we are all like ships on the sea, we can carry a lot of islam on us, but if we let too much of the dunya in our hearts, then our hearts will sink, and so will our Islam become lost, and all over the place.
Please treat these prohibitions as avenues of becoming close to Allah, and trying to prove how much u really love Him instead, despite ur love for the imperfect dunya.
May Allah guide us all as we all are in need of His Mercy, none of us is perfect Only Allah is
Allahumma Ameen.
yes i can allready see all mullahs doing that.
Re: Khuda ke Liye- the hottest anti-Islamic movie in Pakistan
Why "enlighted hypocrites" have to be so abusive and rude to convey their messages across?
why do 'mullah hypocrites' have to blow bombs and kill innocent people to convey there message across?
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^Who's killing innocents on this forum....?
But I can see that some people are getting emotional and rude in their speech, and they are not mullahs or mullah supporters.
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akhi please take a look at this article, it analyzes all arguments both pro and anti music.
http://www.kalamullah.com/music.html
To be honest, it boils down to your aim in life and what you desire in the aakhira, basically, if we think we can get to jannah while giving priority to making fun of mullahs, protecting our right to listening to music whereas Allah swt has a much much greater right on us. then we are in vain hope.
moreover, ramadhan is coming up, and i wonder how the people who fiercely advocate music here will act during that blessed time. Nevertheless, i cannot judge anyone. I could very well be the worst one out here because of that act
We definitely don’t want to die with our last words being some song (please refer to sheikh feiz’s lecture on true stories of death…)
However, it is unreasonable to expect to die with our last words remembering Allah when we so fiercely refuse to implement it in our lives.
Lastly, music definitely prevents one from attaining khushoo in salaat. We sometimes think we are doing Allah a favor(naudhubillah) by praying whereas, He deserves to be Glorified in the most beautiful of ways and not with our heedless prayers. How can we concentrate in prayer when we got a tune stuck in our head, or when are imagining a half naked woman dancing?
Then we know that its in a sahih hadith that the first question on Qiyamah will be about salaat. If that deed is good, the rest will be good. If not the rest will be bad.
So really, it’s a matter of presonal conviction. You can’t expect to graduate with honors in the eyes of Allah if u do the bare minimum and without sincerity in actions except by Allah’s Mercy. What made the sahahbah exemplary was that they realized their insignificance as a human being in front of Allah swt and thought it only behooved them to go the extra 10 miles just for Allah’s sake so that in the aakhira, they can attain that special relationship with Allah swt and His beloved messenger Muhammad peace be upon him
Allah swt knows best and Guides best dear brothers and sisters.
**Please lets control our ‘ME’ factor, since anyone with pride, be it the size of a mustard seed, will not enter jannah according to the Rasool peace be upon him. **
let us not waste our deeds because of our arrogance, we are soooo deficient and imprefect and we need to rather focus on repenting for our shortcomings for Allah swt is Most Merciful especially to those who repent with humility.
May Allah guide us all and I speak to my deficient self before anyone else. Hoping that my self-criticism may be of use to others too inshAllah.
jazakAllah akhis and okhtis,
salaam alaikum:)
P.S shuaib i knw u mentioned earlier that beyhuda music is wrong, i made a general comment.
Re: Khuda ke Liye- the hottest anti-Islamic movie in Pakistan
People who HAVENT watched the movie should not really comment on the movie.
I will try to correct some people's misconceptions about the movie and then I will move on to clean this thread a bit.
First of all, about muslim girl-non muslim man marriage: The girl's father has been living in uk since decades, he brought her up without any proper religiuos education, he himself is living in with a christian lady without marriage and yet he freaks out when she tells him she is gonna marry her christian boyfriend. Now this is a real life issue brought up by shoaib mansoor. A certain maulvi presents a valid point in the end at how they expect her to follow religiuos knowledge when she herself has been brought up in such circumstances and is only muslim because her father was somewhat muslim?
Secondly, he does not speak ill of shalwar kameez. He only points out that as soon as people turn to religion they adopt to or a shalwar kameez and beard whereas they could gradually turn to be like their mahboob prophet Mohammad pbuh. His point is that one should sort out 'baatin' first rather than 'zahir' and sadly its exactly the opposite in our culture. Now I dont think anyone in their sane mind would say that this is not a valid thing to say. I wil lagain advise you to watch the movie before you comment merely on hearsay.
Thirdly, music has been source of conflict. and not now but since centures. He has presented two sides of arguments very clearly (of course letting us know about his inclination) but he is not a scholar and merely a movie director. But what he nails in the movie is that intolerance of a fraction of muslims who cannot accept that their can be different interpretations and views to certain religiuos issues. They issue statetements like you are a kaafir and etc like they are God gifted mufti or something.
Now its time to clean the thread. This thread should not be closed but healthy arguments rather than personal attacks should be encouraged.
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First off, I have not seen the movie but am eagerly waiting. Secondly, I have a comment to make with regards to being "Muslim" (not same as being muslim) and hence indirectly pointing to "Muslim woman marrying non-Muslim man".
I understand that Shoeb Mansoor has indicated that one cannot be forced to Islam if he/she is born in a semi-Western environment. However, I think that his argument is FLAWED. He should be trying to present the correct definition of the word -muslim- and then ask how many of us actually qualify for being called that, let alone the criterion of marrying non-muslims being imposed or not! I can only see the application of the claim "muslim woman canot marry non-muslim man" if we correctly define the word muslim.
Some pointers: "muslim" (small m) is a description, whereas "Muslim" (capital M) is a title... we are NOT asked by The God to be "Muslim", so to advocate for or against based on title is illogical in the Islamic sense.
Uttering a few Arabic words of oath in front of human witnesses or being born in a "Muslim" family is not your citizenship to islam. So any girl born in a "Muslim" family can do AS SHE PLEASES since according to my understanding nobody is muslim by lineage to begin with.
If a woman is truely muslim/submitting-to-The-God, she has a direct oath/covenant with her Creator and it is between her and The God, and she would only do this after:
Then it is her responsibility since she has to safeguard her way of life and IF she has truely submitted and is a true believer, then her bond will NEVER BREAK because she will do what it takes to protect it.
We have been told to protect our deen (way of life) by not taking non-muslims as our "Aooliyaa", and this would include those who are "Muslim" and yet not muslim/submitters-to-The-God.
Linguistically, Aooliyaa means "those who control our way of life thereby causing us to turn/submit to them" - usually mistranslated as "friends and allies", great thanks to Yousuf Ali, Allama Jalindhari and Pikthal.
Considering the above, it makes sense that the husband (if he is "Muslim" or non-muslim and extremely hardlined towards his beliefs) will generally be dominant and will become the woman's "Wali" and there is a possibility of her being tawallaa "turned away" from the Message. A way out is divorce but with family and kids that is not a good option so you're stuck... hence the condition.
So, either side, by taking this issue and blowing out of proportion and trying to prove that a "Muslim" woman can or cannot marry a "non-Muslim" man is rediculous (read between the lines please)! My advice to both Shoaib Mansoor and the "Ulama" is to first undersand what is it that a muslim is, and I am not referring to the title "Muslim"...
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islam cannot be confined to mosques ...if its not practiced in its political form then sorry to say its not practiced at all....all muslims should strive for establishment of political islam.
other religions may be a personal thing but once you enter into islam its not simply a personal thing you have to follow the rules
I do not understand that why political Islam has to maintain a militant section to survive?
Re: Khuda ke Liye- the hottest anti-Islamic movie in Pakistan
Very true ....I will say the first two caliphs, fourth and fifth caliph Hasan b Ali who stayed for a few months only ] .....and Umar II like you mentioned .....
So it's been 1200 years since a real Islamic republic existed and you seriously believe it is achievable now?
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Mods should take notice of this batameezi.
This wasn't any batameezi, just a fact and before they take notice of it, they need to take notice of your post and your false accusations on a shreef musalman. All I have said is that you need to do some research before you start typing and Shoman hasn't created any religion that you are accusing him for.... Ms. Enlighted Mulani!