Khuda ke Liye- the hottest anti-Islamic movie in Pakistan

Re: Khuda ke Liye- the hottest anti-Islamic movie in Pakistan

read the verses from hindu books and prove that they are not similar to quran
then i will say surely they can't be books from Allah
second did you listen it from people of Hazoor PBUH time that they consider Ahley kitab only to jew or christens plz prove it
you havn't proved that yet and deny the verse 13:38

second every one knows that old testimonal and new testimonal are different versions but are changed from injeel etc

if for sake of argument if you say they totally don't take the real words
so still even today you can't marry jew or christens because now they are not ahley kitab as total have been changed although we know still there are many similarities in Quran and bible
whats your argument now

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for sake of argument if you say they totally don't take the real words
so still even today you can't marry jew or christens because now they are not ahley kitab as total have been changed although we know still there are many similarities in Quran and bible
whats your argument now

They were changed even at the time of revealation of Quran. This is not something which happened recently.

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you havn't proved that yet and deny the verse 13:38

I don't deny verse 13:38, I just understand it differently from you. Infact I think I understand the whole Quran differently from you as I have explained in my opening post of " Real Islam vs Mullahism", and believe me there are many like me who are saddened at the image of our beautiful religion portrayed globally, due to the intolerance as depicted by Mullahism.....

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YUSUFALI: We did send messengers before thee, and appointed for them wives and children: and it was never the part of a messenger to bring a sign except as Allah permitted (or commanded). For each period is a Book (revealed).
PICKTHAL: And verily We sent messengers (to mankind) before thee, and We appointed for them wives and offspring, and it was not (given) to any messenger that he should bring a portent save by Allah's leave. For everything there is a time prescribed.
SHAKIR: And certainly We sent messengers before you and gave them wives and children, and it is not in (the power of) an messenger to bring a sign except by Allah's permission; for every term there is an appointment.

Where did you find in any of my post anything I said which gave you an impression that I am denying 13:38...

I can not imagine you can become so cheap when you argue !!!!

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there is a difference in changing (mixing) and complete change
bible has many similarities to Quran so you can't say that it has been totally changed
second during Hazoor PBUH time many jews and christens have told that our books have told that you will come and they converted , they know about true signs
and also remember the journey in which one rahib had told that he has seen the bowing of trees and others to Hazoor PBUH and he will become messenger
they have true signs that time as well
so you can't say that thoes books have no God word
even if they act on thoes God word and donot say Jesus is son of God ( which is not present in any version of bible around 72 versions even no where in bible Jesus had said i am God worship me ) and believe in oneness of Allah they will be believers and Allah have told that in ahley kitab some are believers 3:110 and they know true sign of God and muslim men can marry thoes type of women

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for every nation book has been revealed and every one who have book with God words are ahley kitab
see your above posts you have written that people of Hazoor PBUH times says Ahley kitab "only" to jew and christens because they were given books
and for others you have said they will be aliens
otherwise what we see , when ever Allah had refered specifically to Jew and christens , he used the term Jew and christens but when ever he used Ahley kitab
he refered not only to jew and christens but also to all other nations who have been shown the straight path with books
and said some are believers but most have turned into fasiq (as they start sharing Allah with others 3:110 )

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Let me flip the question around.

Why don’t the jamaties that come and “preach” in US / UK mosques about jihad etc. not use the money they would have saved from getting tickets & visa and feed poor in Pakistan? :5:

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What can I say? If you don't understand English you have to go to elementary school...
I can not help you my friend.

My exact words were " You are implying that Quran is referring to some alien Ahlekitaab who do not exist on this planet." It doesn't mean there are some other alien ahlekitaab. I still stand behind my statement that Holy Prophet and his companions were not aware of any other Ahlekitaab at the time of revealations, and they understood Jews and and Chritians when Quran referred to Ahlekitaab.

Anyway you can continue with your thesis on Ahlekitaab, declaring Geeta and Veeda as books from Allah, and Hindus as true Ahlekitaab. You can my be find some verses in Geeta declaring Hanumaan (the bundar) as the true prophet of Allah. As far as I am concerned I am not intrested in that. I already said what I wanted to say on the topic and as I have nothing furthur to add on, you will not be seeing any more post from my side on this topic.....

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Meherealone wrote:
"like 3 or 4 years back , i believed in sufisam but as the arguments came infront of me logically , then i realize that its true that i am on wrong side so i change that."

I feel sorry for you. After getting close to REAL ISLAM you reverted back to MULLAHISM.....

Sufis were the ones to spread Islam. They were able to convert the most intellectual and educated sections of the society to Islam. They were the ones who followed and understood Islam properly in the light of three principals of Sunnah. And they did all that without spending much resources.

Have you ever thought why today's mullahs after spending million of dollars on their dawat activities are not able to convert people to Islam except for a few people in mental hospitals and prison houses.

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first of all tell me point by point
1. didn't Allah use the word christens when ever he said who worship Jesus
2. didn't Allah used the word Ahley Kitab when he refers in general terms
3. didn't companions know that there are others nations beside jew or christens who were given books by Allah (do they neglect 13:38)
3. didn't Allah have said that all nations are send by books
3. didn't Prophet and companions know that Quran is for all nations or they think it is only for people of makkah and madena

i hope your answer about these question will clear yourself as well

the conclusion which you will reach is that even if they don't know exact names of nations of Ahley kitab other then jew or christens , still they know there are other nations as well who are ahley kitab so whenever ahley kitab word is used they take that in general terms and when jew or christens word was used that referes specially

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Anyway you can continue with your thesis on Ahlekitaab, declaring Geeta and Veeda as books from Allah, and Hindus as true Ahlekitaab.

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read my words again on that post meray pearay bahi
i never said they are true ahley kitaab ( if i have said , prove it ), we say they may be or may not be but even if they follow their books ( they will not be atleast mushrik ) similarly even jew or christens follow their bible (they will not be atleast mushrik ) because hindu books also have signs of true God in them as they are in bible .
honestly following thoes book will lead them towords islam . we don't say to them to leave your book and come to us , but we say first go to your book read that and then compare that to Quran and inshallah you will see the right path . Millions and Millions of people including popes , nuns , hindu pundits have turned to islam after doing this. problem is that , like muslim they also not read their own books and stuck to their false believe, when they read their book , they are directed toward islam

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second if you say they can't be the ones who have been changed from some ahley kitab nation
you have to prove that their books can't shows the sign of true God

You can my be find some verses in Geeta declaring Hanumaan (the bundar) as the true prophet of Allah. As far as I am concerned I am not intrested in that. I already said what I wanted to say on the topic and as I have nothing furthur to add on, you will not be seeing any more post from my side on this topic.....
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up to you bahi , but i will ask that sorah ikhlas which is necessary for akeeda toheed , read that
and read thoes verse which i had quoted from hindus book , didn't they are same , although every one knows that hindo worship idols and don't follow their book
similarly similar type of verses you can find in bible still christens worship jesus

Rest is up to you
praying for you that these thing become clear to you

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i am starting new thread for this , plz come to that
so if i am wrong , then correct me

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Then you must really be believing in those fake fakirs who seduce women and sell duas for money. I have seen many of these in punjab.

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why only in punjab, what about sindh etc

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If you are sindhi, then sure why not? ;)

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Ok so finally saw the movie!! Post production has some holes, and the soundtrack could have been a bit stronger (yes I've been there done that and I know it is hard to come up with picture perfect stuff... but ShoMan could have done better in my view).

The cast/acting and the plot/concept is a THUMBS UP!!!

I will say it again! Finally some BALLS! Good to see this movement... And yes this is meant for the religion forum dear mods so don't take it off of here.

I am surprised that the case made for the court is exactly as how I imagined and explained in my earlier post.

And for those who say it is anti-islamic... think what you will. Nobody has a gun to your head.

And yes. Wish you all a happy month of collective training to improve your character through abstenance! May we all rise to a better state of living at the end of it.

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