Khilafat movement is dead - why can't people move on

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What would be khilafat then?

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The last person to claim the Khalifat and have it accepted by the people he ruled was King Husain of the Hijaz. He was rewarded by being invaded, overthrown and exiled by the Saud family.
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That's what I have been saying. Khilafat in history has been nothing but another name for monarchy. And therefore it is not an Islamic concept.

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Lol, straight out of the books of the non-muslim orientialists. There are many references in hadith which mention Khilafah, perhaps you need to do some research on the matter.

As for monarchy, yes it did exist in some periods of time, but it does not negate the fact that Khilafah is an Islamic concept, i.e the system of ruling revealed by Allah swt and first established by Muhammed saw.

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Actually, monarchy existed MOST of the time. Islam has been in this world for more than 1400 years. You tell us how long has khilafat been followed?

Khilafat might have been an Islamic concept for some people, but like I said, if khilafat is to be followed today then who will define what school of thought to follow? YOUR favorite one?

Khilafat right after Prophet's time was possible but today would be nothing but the DICTATORSHIP of one sect of PIOUS people over other sects of pious people. Nothing more. That's like Taliban takfiris who used to call everyone disagreeing with them a kafir and worthy of waging jihad against.
That's the recipe for fasaad and disaster among Muslims.

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How was Khilafat was held together throughout the history - constant wars, renegade provinces and rebellions!

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Please answer the question, does Islam have a system of governance?

What is Islam, a religion or a complete way of life?

Perhaps then we can build from there, as opposed to history.

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Is that your understanding of 1400 years of Khilafah?

Please quote from established Islamic sources to prove this. Yes there was some problems, but that does not detract from the fact that the Islamic ruling system was implemented.

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Read all historical books of Islamic authors - Tibri and others.

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khalifa showcot you are using everything invented by non muslim , you believe everything by non muslims when it suits your propaganda and agenda , the minute it contradicts your agenda you start giving foolish logic of non muslim's plan of finishing muslims .
by the way can any shia ,barelvi , ahmadi, lower caste kammi muslims of pakistan, bengali muslims, muslims of india become khalifa ?
arabians will accept south asian khalifa ? never
dont live in fools paradise

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He is not asking for boycott of non muslims...................:D

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he is saying non muslim orientalists should not be trusted or believed.
but i am interested only in one question
'whether muslims of indian -pakistan -bangla origin are suitable for post of khalifa ?
here i want ninja as an indian claim for the khalifa post.

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you should learn more about islamic concept of khilafah....Islam doesnt differentiate between different races of muslims.....

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no religion teaches us to differentiate between races , wherher they are muslims or non muslims ? what is big deal ?
the biggest question here is where on this earth those muslims live who do not differentiate between different races, maslaq, colour of skin , and difference of local traditions .
this system of khilafat looks to be only utopian because human beings are not produced in precisioned process based factories which produced men of equal mental and physical calibres.

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Now its better

let everyone know how you are generalizing every muslim..................

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Why are you asking me? If you want to have religious discussion then go to religion section.

As far as I am concerned, Islam's system of government is very broad. There are no specifics. This is why it is not mentioned in Quran in detail.
System of governance evolves with time. Democracy of today is different from democracy 200 years ago. Islam cannot rigidly bind all people to follow something without taking into account the needs of time.
In brief, Islam calls for a system of governance which can effectively help people healthy and wealthy life. The system could be anything. Not necessarily khilafat, and not necessarily democracy. Democracy however would be closer to original intent of Islam because it empowers people.

Now that you have heard me, tell me what school of though would the khalifah follow? Yours only? What will happen to people who wouldn't consider him following Quran and Sunnat?

I know people bring up such bankrupt concepts because of frustration they feel under Western powers. But to counter these powers Muslims need to become economically independent of them.

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^^

Could not agree more with your post, though I had a small clarification.. Many of the muslim nations are economically independent in the truest sense of the term. but the only problem is that there is no education, no leadership to lead the nations in the right path. Most of the nations do not encourage research and are blindly following the west for any technological needs.

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i am just asking with due respect where do those muslims live who will not discriminate between arab and non arabs, asians and africans, shias and sunnis, malik and kammi, punjabi and bangali or balochi . muhazir and local .
if you don't know any such muslim community then question of khilafat becomes null and void . then muslims should come out of wrong perception of khalifa and adopt reasonable solution of democracy.

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One thing is evident from all the bickering in this thread, we're obviously not ready for Khilafat. Because If we were, we wouldn't be bickering over minute issues like "sects".

Here's the thing though. It's all about unity and harmony within Muslim Ummah. Regardless of origin, caste, color, creed, status, or sect. It's not an impossible task, and can be achieved. The only Islam is the Islam of the Quran and Sunnah. Any deviation from the two, is deviation from Islam.

Shia, sunni, and others can very possibly sit down and agree on common aspects of Sunnah/Hadith narrations, and Quran as the supreme source. This alone would undo all the evil that's been spread through the muslim communities under the flag of "my sect, my way, or or the highway". The need of the hour is not perhaps Khilafat, but unity and closing the trust deficit.

Khilafat is the end product of a strong muslim union. When muslims can agree to follow publically what is common, and practice their own way at home, then they will also be in a position to elect and accept a Caliph. The purpose is dispensation of justice, maintain peace, and welfare of all resident of the Caliphate.

What I find funny is how some folks are coming forth to argue against Khilafat, when they have no clue what it is, have never lived under it or experienced it. Hypocrisy? Very much so.

One thing is for sure, a system that is better than what we currently have has to emerge. It may very well be Khilafat. I guess we'll wait and see.

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What I find funny is how some folks are coming forth to argue against Khilafat, when they have no clue what it is,** have never lived under it or experienced it**. Hypocrisy? Very much so.
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As if everyone arguing for khilafat HAS "lived under it or experienced it".
May be it is your assumption that people don't know much about khilafat.

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The need of the hour is not perhaps Khilafat, but unity and closing the trust deficit.
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That's true. Because we saw the unity when Iraq was being attacked, we saw the unity when Libya was being attacked, and we see the unity currently in Syria and ganging up on Iran.

When people are illiterate then become less tolerant towards disagreement and they make a mockery of religion no matter how sincere they claim to be. Example, Taliban. And when there are violent hostilities among people then economy of the country suffers greatly, regardless of the system of government.
The need of the hour for Muslims is not changing the system of government but educating people, creating tolerance among people and develop independence from Western powers.

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bewakooof islam does not have the racism and nationalism like indian hindu caste system anyone with intelligence and meet criteria of post of caliph can be considered but you can’t because you worship idols.

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don't show your zahalat , again go through the whole thread then open your big mouth. and don't again use uncivil adjectives , thank you