Re: Khilafat movement is dead - why can't people move on
What is wrong with Khilafah? Surely it is the system of Islamic Governance advocated by Allah swt in the Quran?
The call for Khilafah is increasing as Muslims gain more understanding of their deen and study it deeply in a comprehensive manner.
Re: Khilafat movement is dead - why can't people move on
what will be future of indians in khalifa rule ?
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The people advocating for an over throw of Democracy, and establishment of the the Khalifat, are mentally retarded. The only reason anyone pays any attention to these fools is because they threaten people with violence if we dont listen to their retarded rantings.
democracy is dead and proof of it is in the muslim world the ones inflicting most violence is your bagwan US military occupiers they cannot make the people accept democracy and secularism because it is clear kufr. Now they have resorted to force by using their tanks,bullets, occupation and militias and you openly support this making you with the retarded ones who forcing violence on the people.
Re: Khilafat movement is dead - why can't people move on
democracy is dead and proof of it is in the muslim world the ones inflicting most violence is your bagwan US military occupiers they cannot make the people accept democracy and secularism because it is clear kufr. Now they have resorted to force by using their tanks,bullets, occupation and militias and you openly support this making you with the retarded ones who forcing violence on the people.
^Case in point...
I wont even bother trying to reason with you anymore. I thought it was because your just uneducated, but now I realize your probably just born this way.
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Re: Khilafat movement is dead - why can't people move on
democracy is dead and proof of it is in the muslim world the ones inflicting most violence is your bagwan US military occupiers they cannot make the people accept democracy and secularism because it is clear kufr. Now they have resorted to force by using their tanks,bullets, occupation and militias and you openly support this making you with the retarded ones who forcing violence on the people.
Where is democracy dead. I see people everywhere clamoring for democracy. Even in muslim countries, people are rising up against the dictators.
Re: Khilafat movement is dead - why can't people move on
Where is democracy dead. I see people everywhere clamoring for democracy. Even in muslim countries, people are rising up against the dictators.
Just because people want to replace their corrupt leaders, does not mean that they want democracy as understood in the west.
The people of the Middle East want change, but not a system which goes against their Islamic values.
Do you see the masses calling for their countries to become liberal to the extent that nightclubs become the norm, where anything can be insulted under the guise of freedom of expression?
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^ Democracy = night clubs, kinky sex, morality going to Hell?
What's the Arab Awakening about? Replacing corrupt dictatorship with what? Representative politics. Are people protesting the lack of Shariah rule, or are they calling for freedom of the press, freedom of expression, freedom of movement, for the dismantling of police states? How are democratic values related to being socially and sexually 'liberal'?
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^ Democracy = night clubs, kinky sex, morality going to Hell?
What's the Arab Awakening about? Replacing corrupt dictatorship with what? Representative politics. Are people protesting the lack of Shariah rule, or are they calling for freedom of the press, freedom of expression, freedom of movement, for the dismantling of police states? How are democratic values related to being socially and sexually 'liberal'?
The people are not calling for their socities to become like those in the west.
Yes they want the things you outlined, many of which are found within the Islamic Sharia.
Democratic socities allow individuals to live life as they please, just take a look at socities in the west and you can conclude the type of behaviour allowed within democratic societies and protected under the guise of freedom.
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Where is democracy dead. I see people everywhere clamoring for democracy. Even in muslim countries, people are rising up against the dictators.
yes people rising up against dictators but they are chanting allah akbar and calling for implementation of islamic laws not western style democracy.
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yes people rising up against dictators but they are chanting allah akbar and calling for implementation of islamic laws not western style democracy.
allah o akbar is a nara which have literal meaning god is great ! no where it means it is chanted for opposition of democracy .
which group of arab spring movement demanded for islamic laws or sharia laws.?
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An important question to this discussion should be, ' If the people were given a choice between Khilafah ( Islamic Sharia ) or Democracy ( The law of humans ), which one will any Muslim who understands that his belief is comprehensive choose?
One which contradicts his creed, or one that is from his creed?
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Khilafat was back a few years ago already in Afghanistan. We know how people running it look like and what a curse they are for Muslims.
Actually, the Taliban's Mullah Omar never claimed the title of Khalif. The Taliban considered themselves to have established the Nizam-i-Mustafa, not the Khalifat.
The last person to claim the Khalifat and have it accepted by the people he ruled was King Husain of the Hijaz. He was rewarded by being invaded, overthrown and exiled by the Saud family.
Re: Khilafat movement is dead - why can't people move on
An important question to this discussion should be, ' If the people were given a choice between Khilafah ( Islamic Sharia ) or Democracy ( The law of humans ), which one will any Muslim who understands that his belief is comprehensive choose?
One which contradicts his creed, or one that is from his creed?
Democracy can exist in an islamic state, however when you clamour for khilafah, which one you mean the Islamic khlafah or the non islamic khilafah propagated by Hizb ul tahrir. Funny people living in democratic west clamouring for sharia.
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Democracy can exist in an islamic state, however when you clamour for khilafah, which one you mean the Islamic khlafah or the non islamic khilafah propagated by Hizb ul tahrir. Funny people living in democratic west clamouring for sharia.
Depends on your definition of democracy, the term comes from the non-Muslims who define it as laws origination from the minds of people and not God.
If you mean voting, political parties, accounting, then such things exist in the Islamic system.
The Khilafah I mean is the one based upon Quran and Sunnah, which you agree with and support.
As for living in the west and calling for Khilafah, no one said to establish it in the west.
All Muslims have a duty to work for Islam regardless of where they are, I am sure you will agree with the points I have made.
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Where is democracy dead. I see people everywhere clamoring for democracy. Even in muslim countries, people are rising up against the dictators.
where is the people calling for democracy??? all i heard from arab spring is chants of bring down the regime and bring back islam
who was chanting give us more secularism 2 socialist students and who else ????
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Muslims can't even agree which day should be Eid and they are going to agree on a system of government and pick the supreme chancellor who is going to rule them? Dream on.
Besides, don't you need nabuwwat before khilafat? Khalifa is a successor to the prophet isn't he?
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^ WTH? Oh my bad, you are looking at it as a mirzai.
Technically, the presidential system is as close as you get to a khilafat so I think muslim countries should adopt it.
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^ great argument there :k:
but the president is the satan.
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The Khilafah I mean is the one based upon Quran and Sunnah, which you agree with and support.
And who defines what is Quran and Sunnah?
Khilafat today would be a dictatorship of one sect over all other schools of thought.
While khilafat in yester-years was another name for plain old monarchy.
It's a bankrupt concept.