i don’t agree with the hizb ut-tahriri brothers on a lot of theological issues but the idea of a khilaafat sounds quite nice.
maybe we can have something along the lines of the european union, one leader, one currency, one army, one official language, free movement between the countries, open borders..
the head of the union can be like a khaleefah and the president/prime minister of each country could be his governor, like in the good old days.
am i just dreaming or is it possible? what do you people think?
an arabic speaking devout muslim who is a qurayshi, and meets the other requirements for a khaleefah.
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1) Why is being arabic speaking a requirement? Haven't seen that in any hadith
2) I understand where the Quraishi bit is coming from, but how on earth can you verify is someone is descended from the Quraysh these days or not? Particularly since, on the subcontinent at least, and probably elsewhere too, people who converted to islam, or merely muslims seeking extra stature, would add the names "Syed" or "Quraishi" to their names.
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why qureshi????
since when has Islam started 'family superiority' traditions????
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There is a hadith (I don't know whether its authenticity has ever been questioned) that states that the Khalif must be from the Quraysh tribe.
I wonder how this worked though for the Uthmani Khilafat - they were Turks, not arabs, could not be from the Quraysh and yet were recognised by all as the Khalifs.
i seriously doubt the accuracy of the hadith....
i know which one u r talking about, have read it....
but i think when Quran says that 'taqwa' is the most important, i think i can rule out any hadith which suggests otherwise....
1) The Khalifa must be Muslim.
2) He must be a man.
3) He must be knowledgeable in Islaam, and be able to make independent decisions if necessary.
4) He must be just, have good morals, and be trustworthy.
5) He must be physically able (non-handicapped), spiritual, brave, and helpful to protect the Ummah against its enemies. His eyes, ears, tongue, and body in general should be in working condition.Today, for example, an artificial limb could be used to offset an otherwise crippling injury.
6) He must be politically, militarily, and administratively experienced.
*7) He must be from The Tribe of Quraish because they used to be the leading tribe, the majority. *
8) However, many Muslim scholars have commented on this prerequisite.
Al-Mawardi has written that the Khalifa should be Quraishi based on the saying of Abu Bakr that the Khalifas are Quraishi and their ministers are non-Quraishi. The majority of scholars are of this opinion. Other scholars have arrived at a different conclusion. Abu Bakr Al-Baqlani has said that the leader of the Muslims simply should be from the majority. Muhammad Riya-Ad-Deen and Abu Hanifa wrote that the leader must come from the majority to make it easy to follow him."
As this prerequisite is just 'preferable' than a must - the Uthmani Khilafah was 'recognised' as the best able as their was no other alternative. There was a disagreements about it at the time.
Yes Khilafaat is an urgent need of the time as it forms a shield for the Ummah to be protected for the evil designs of the infidels.
“Verily, the Imam (Khaleefah) is a shield behind whom the Muslims fight and seek protection.” [Sahih Bukhari].
if a none-qurayshi takes over the khilaafat (even if he be a abyssinian slave) as in the case with the usmani khilaafat, then the khaleefah must be obeyed (to prevent fitna/fasaad in the ummat) as long as he is a muslim, implements the islaami shari’at and does not openly commit major sins.
the qureshi bit is from a hadith, they are not necessarily superior but they have better rights to rule than anyone else and that’s that, allah mian probably chose them to prevent fitna-o-fasaad, otherwise every race and tribe will say we want the khaleefah to be from amongst us so allah ta‘aala chose the tribe of his rasool sallallaho alayhe wassallam..
arabic bit is obvious, common sense; it’s not very clever to make someone the khaleefah unless he can understand quraan shareef and hadees shareef properly.
ibn sadique bro, u have to tell us where u got all those pre-requisites from....
adding qureyshi, ansari, madani etc have become a fashion in indo-pak, hence i wonder if we can really be sure of the lineage....
anyway, as i said, we may have a much better candidate for khilafat than the qureyshis so why shud he not be appointed????
Quran 2:247 Their Prophet said unto them: Lo! Allah hath raised up Saul to be a king for you. They said: How can he have kingdom over us when we are more deserving of the kingdom than he is, since he hath not been given wealth enough? He said: Lo! Allah hath chosen him above you, and hath increased him abundantly in wisdom and stature. Allah bestoweth His sovereignty on whom He will. Allah is All Embracing, All Knowing.
does this qualify as an example of 'selecting the ruler'????
1) Why is being arabic speaking a requirement? Haven't seen that in any hadith
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This question was asked by Taslima Nusreen (Bangladeshi author) when she was 6 years old to her mother who asked her to learn Arabic. Taslima asked her mother if Allah (saw) knows everything (sarvogyani in Bengali) then why does He not know Bengali?
This question was asked by Taslima Nusreen (Bangladeshi author) when she was 6 years old to her mother who asked her to learn Arabic. Taslima asked her mother if Allah (saw) knows everything (sarvogyani in Bengali) then why does He not know Bengali?
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allah mian understand all languages, we need to learn arabic to understand him.
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wud that khalifa be sunni or shia or wahabi or from some other sect?
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qadiani, i wanted the tahir guy to be the khaleefah cuz he had the same name as mine and he looked like a pathan but he popped his clogs and his successor looks stoned.
seriously sunni, wahaabis are a sunni sub-sect. the differences amongst sunnis can easily be overcome because our sources are the same, anyone who is sincere to allah instead of following interpretation that they personally prefer will see the truth. and weak/fabricated hadees created by the enmies of the deen are easily recodnised by our ullema-e-kiraam, some just follow em cuz they suit em, they need to get over that.
This question was asked by Taslima Nusreen (Bangladeshi author) when she was 6 years old to her mother who asked her to learn Arabic. Taslima asked her mother if Allah (saw) knows everything (sarvogyani in Bengali) then why does He not know Bengali?
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yeah, u dont expect 6 year olds to make sense anyway....
she shud marry that naipol guy, they'd make a perfect couple....
seriously sunni, wahaabis are a sunni sub-sect. the differences amongst sunnis can easily be overcome because our sources are the same, anyone who is sincere to allah instead of following interpretation that they personally prefer will see the truth. and weak/fabricated hadees created by the enmies of the deen are easily recodnised by our ullema-e-kiraam, some just follow em cuz they suit em, they need to get over that.
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So, if those differences are so easy to overcome why after 1400+ years they still remain as rigid as were b4?
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wahabis r defined to be followers of the views of shaikh mohammad abdul wahab....
u think he came 1400+ years ago????
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