This is certainly not off-topic. It is the basic problem. If 'muslim ummah' cannot resolve differences amongst themselves, how can they all joing hands in appointing/electing a person who will be the khalifa of all the muslims, when there are 'major' differences in their beliefs.
i really dont see any "major" differences among muslims....
they might differ on history, or on what exactly is the best way to pray or what is the most appropriate dress code, but i dont think they have any issues that can be termed as "major".....
I can refer to posts whithin this very forum where shias and sunnis traded harsh words over eachother’s beliefs… Don’t say that those were minor differences. Shias don’t even believe in khilafat-e-Rashideen as sunnis believe in. Their concept of Imam Mehdi is totally different to sunnis. The status that they give to Hazrat Ali 
is way too high for any sunnis to absorb and you say these are minor issues?
And btw are you saying that you will accept a shia khilafat and so would all the sunis?
Assalam O Alaikum
Is it going to be a divine Khilafat like the Khilafat-e-Rashida of Hazrat Abu Bakar, Umar, Usman and Ali RA or a man-made Khilafat on the terms of Khilafat-e-usmania?
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i thought it was men who selected the khalifas that we term as khulafaa-e-rashideen… 
zakiahmed Don’t you worry, we will sort it out among ourselves. The previous Khalifs have always been that the Majority was ‘comfortable with’ and many had Shias as their advisors. It really doesn’t concern you in the least.
Bro armughal I had the info from http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/politics/khalifa.html
Assalam O Alaikum,
I consider the Khilafat-e-Rashida of first four caliphs as the divine one, as I believe that Allah molds the hearts of muslims to elect them.
But I consider the Khilafat-e-usmania as a pure monarchy which has nothing to do with anything divine from Allah.
Do you consider the new Khilafat we are talking about would be divine one or a political one?
khilafat-e-umawi, abbasi, usmani were all monarchies more and khilafat less....
what i think we shud do now, as i stated earlier, is get one representative (ofcourse a religious scholar who is educated in real sense of the word) of each muslim country into a "shura coucil" and let this council select/elect their head, who we call the khalifa....
even if we r not willing to give him any political authority, let him remain their as a symbol of unity and let him issue the 'Islamic' point of view on matters like terrorism, peace, human rights, etc so instead of the west quoting every self-acclaimed represntative of Islam, atleast they can refer to one voice....
and at the same time, representation of Islam will be diverted from the terrorist faces like bin laden and al-qaeda to a more civilized authority....
Assalam O Alaikum,
Mr. Ibn Sadique
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I believe it is also called DEMOCRACY.
Quran's pessage on Khilafat:
Allah had promised to those among you who believe and do good works that He will surely make them Successors in the earth, as He made Successors from among those who were before them; and that He will surely establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them; and that He will surely give them in exchange security and peace after their fear: They will worship Me, and they will not associate anything with Me. Then who so is ungrateful after that, they will be the rebellious.
(Surah Al-Nur, Verse 56)
The present verse embodies a promise that Muslims will be vouchsafed both spiritual and temporal leadership. The promise is made to the whole Muslim nation but the institution of Khilafat will take a palpable form in the person of certain individuals who will be the Prophet's Successors and the representatives of the whole nation. They will be, as it were, Khilafat personified. **The verse further says that the fulfillment of this promise will depend on the Muslims' observing the Prayer and giving the Zakat and on their obeying the Messenger of God in all religious and temporal matters concerning the nation. **When they will have fulfilled these conditions, the boon of Khilafat will be bestowed upon them and they will be made the leaders of nations; their state of fear will give place to a condition of safety and security, Islam will reign supreme in the world, and above all the Oneness and Unity of God - the real purpose and object of Islam - will become firmly established.
Do you think that the condition of muslims in Pakistan specifically and all around the world in general is such that Allah should now fulfill His promise? And if it is then Why Allah hasn't fulfilled His promise uptill now? And don't you think instead of wasting their energies in making a 'puppit' khilafat they should spend most of their time in praying and forgiveness and becoming righteous so that Allah bless them with khilafat as He promised.
Interesting discussion. Lets take the question of differences between various sects into the other discussion](http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=145367) started by armughal.
In my view, personal view ofcourse, it will be nice to have one khalifa, and largely independent provinces/countries. The central khalifat should be responsible only for foreign affairs and defence.
The critical question remains… even if this were to happen, how would the khalifa be appointed. With more than a billion muslims spread over such a large area (I think there are about 50 countries of muslim majority), this will be a major undertaking to agree on one person.
Armughal,
You make less and less sense as you go on. But here is a question for you. Allah mian did not make just the earth and Arabia.Hhe made the entire universe. So he also made bilions of stars in our galaxy and probably millions of other civilzations in our and other galaxies. How are are these civilizations going to worship Allah in Arabic or does not Allah consider them as his children? And what good is a God if he speakss you only in one language? Did you ever consider the possibility that Allah (saw) spoke to the Prophet (saws) in Arabic because that is the only language the Prophet understood? Allah was just being nice to Prophet.
As for what sense a 6 years old make, I can assure you that many many of them make more sense than you do.
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i seriously doubt the accuracy of the hadith....
i know which one u r talking about, have read it....
but i think when Quran says that 'taqwa' is the most important, i think i can rule out any hadith which suggests otherwise....
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dude that hadith is in sahih bhukhari, we lay people can not just accept and reject ahadiths on our own. we need to go to people of knowledge to see what that hadith means.
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In my view, personal view ofcourse, it will be nice to have one khalifa, and largely independent provinces/countries. The central khalifat should be responsible only for foreign affairs and defence.
The critical question remains... even if this were to happen, how would the khalifa be appointed. With more than a billion muslims spread over such a large area (I think there are about 50 countries of muslim majority), this will be a major undertaking to agree on one person.
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Faisal as i understood it the khilafat would not be centralised it would be de-centralised into wilayahs (provinces) as you mentioned. This way the wealth would not be in one city or country it would be spread out unlike for example britain when it was an empire all the wealth was sucked out of indian subcontinent and africa and taken straight back to London, UK this would not happen if khilafah was de centralised model.
As for question of leadership i think there was a thread on this subject not too long ago if you do a search you should find it.
I agree Faisal…But not on choosing the person from many nations, but how he will be given that power…
Since 9/11 every Muslim who has ever stood up for Muslim rights and spoken out against America has been termed a terrorist…Obviously, the person being chosen would have to keep first and foremost the well being of the Muslims as his priority, which as we know will not fare well with the international bully…America would seek to place on the Khilafat someone who looks after American interests first, failing which they are not above having him assassinated in some way, discredit the Khilafa or at least find ways to disunite the Ummah by any means and methods…
When it is written that the Kuffar can’t and will not stand to see our faith truimph in any way, no doubts attempts would be made to destroy the Khilafat by any means possible, for the Khilafat means that the Muslims would have the power and means to voice, move and act as one on any decision, a prospect which would be unbelievably frightening for the Kuffar…Even in this pathetic state as the Muslim countries are now, united they will be a force so powerful, no nation on earth would have the means to suppress, persecute or abuse even a single Muslim…
The Khilafa is the Kuffar’s and mod-Muslim’s worst nightmare, for Khilafa means absolute unity in deed and thought…It would be a mightmare for mod-Muslims because the mod-Muslims who live a life far from Islam, blissfully pursuing his life without a care for the Muslims elsewhere, would be forced to act for the benefit of other Muslims, which means abandoning his lifestyle of leisure…Not having forethought, he would not be able to see the long term benefits that a Khilafa would bring to the Muslims in the long run…The mod-Muslim lives in the now, something unfortunately I too am guilty of…
With a Khilafa in place, the Muslims would be united, that is the purpose of the Khilafa and the crowns of kings will topple making every Muslim just that…A Muslim…
A Khilafa is the need, desire and necessity of Muslims today…It is their duty to work to establish one and it should be their wish for one…
The Khalifa would have to be someone who has proven himself to have selflessly devoted and dedicated his life without concern for his own life and well being to the service of Muslims…He should be someone proven to have been engaged in sacrifices which he has made for the Ummah and be knowledgeable in Islam and Shariah, who is a student himself and a teacher and a guide and should have guided humbly the Muslims under his protectorate…
I have no doubt, there are people like the one I described, unfortunately they are all on the ‘terrorist’ list, and even if he wasn’t, fabricated stories can be made to seem real…Isn’t 9/11 an example?
And even if we were to establish the Khilafa, you can be rest assured, international bullies will spare no expense to rid the Muslims of this necessity and once again to scatter them to the four winds…Unless there is a Khilafat, western nations will keep picking us of one by one like they did before…India ruled by English, Libya ruled by Italians, Egypt ruled by the French and so on…
As long as America holds sway over international politics and mod-Muslims, this Khilafa will remain a pipe dream for the Muslims…But America wouldn’t need to lift a finger, for the mod-Muslims in our midst will make sure that we never attain the Khilafa…
What we need is a man like Umar Mukhtar or Salahuddin, whose only mission in life is to protect and uphold the freedoms, rights and justice for every Muslim…
Khilafa is our call and it is the need of the times…
May Allah :swt: grant us the blessing of the Khilafa, Ameen…
^^ Well said, brother Lajawab
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What we need is a man like Umar Mukhtar or Salahuddin, whose only mission in life is to protect and uphold the freedoms, rights and justice for every Muslim...
Khilafa is our call and it is the need of the times...
May Allah grant us the blessing of the Khilafa, Ameen...
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Ameen.
As long as we are bent upon dividing our own ummah by calling them mod-muslim and muslim, I don't see how we are going to ever be united under one khilafat. If we are to function as an ummah, we need to bridge differences, rather then harp on them. My personal opinion, again. :-)
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As long as we are bent upon dividing our own ummah by calling them mod-muslim and muslim, I don't see how we are going to ever be united under one khilafat. If we are to function as an ummah, we need to bridge differences, rather then harp on them. My personal opinion, again. :-)
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Correct again, however we must keep into account the things which hinder the execution of a certain plan.
You may call them whatever you wish Faisal, those Muslims, these Muslims, them Muslims, but the heart of the matter is, that there are those amongst Muslims who are vehemently opposed to the establishment of the Khilafa and talk and work against its establishment, for whatever reasons...I fail to see how a Muslim can not wish and work for something which is his right and necessity so I call those Muslims mod-Muslims...I don't mean it derogatorily...
Everytime you try to work on a plan and if something comes in between to hinder that plan, obviously that thing would have a name or reason for it to be identified...Of course you know it is very important to identify something which stops you from executing an objective so you can either overcome it or ignore it...
Similarly we need to identify the things which hinder the execution of the creation of the Khilafa, and one of the things that stand in its way the most are those Muslims which oppose it...That takes too long for me to write, so mod-Muslims it is...:)
I am not sure there are many muslims who actively oppose khilafat, per se.
However, there are many who are indifferent about the issue as they are busy going through their lives and couldn't care less, as well as many who have suspicions about having another layer of leadership enforcing Islamic sharia laws. If you write these two off, my guess is you will be left with hardly a fraction of our ummah. So, instead you should, if you chose to or care enough, bring them onboard with logical arguments and patient demenour.
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Armughal,
You make less and less sense as you go on. But here is a question for you. Allah mian did not make just the earth and Arabia.Hhe made the entire universe. So he also made bilions of stars in our galaxy and probably millions of other civilzations in our and other galaxies. How are are these civilizations going to worship Allah in Arabic or does not Allah consider them as his children? And what good is a God if he speakss you only in one language? Did you ever consider the possibility that Allah (saw) spoke to the Prophet (saws) in Arabic because that is the only language the Prophet understood? Allah was just being nice to Prophet.
As for what sense a 6 years old make, I can assure you that many many of them make more sense than you do.
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hellooooo....
did i ever say that Allah understands arabic ONLY????
did i ever say that Allah does not listen to any other language????
did i ever say that understanind arabic is a must if u r to worship Allah????
the point was that since Quran is in arabic (and it was in arabic since the prophet spoke arabic and it was no good to send a book to him in english), a person who knows arabic wud not have to rely on translation cuz translations do have a part of the translator's own interpretation....
now if u dont understand that, i really dont even wish to comment on how much sense u make (ofcourse if u think a 6 year old makes a lot of sense, then u really showd ur sense's worth already :p)....