Khawarijees: The biggest threat to Pakistan and Islam

I know that many people do not like when I talk about khawarijees who are killing both Shias and Sunnis in Pakistan, and point finger towards Deobandi sect. Surprisingly, even though I clearly mentioned that I am talking about Khawarijees (takfeeries) who are neither Shia nor Sunni, rather they are not even Muslim as they are outside the fold of Islam (Khawarij-ul-Islam) … still, it seems some people indirectly making comment that by blaming Pakistani Khawarijis who mostly have debandi background as killer of Shias, I am promoting Shia-Sunni divide.

Even though I know what I am writing is correct, still, I started searching net to give strength of reference to whatever I wrote, and surprisingly I found an article written by ‘Zaid Hamid’ (who I believe most Pakistani know very well).

I found his article quite revealing (I also learned a bit reading his article). His article tells exactly what I have written in my many posts regarding Pakistani Khawarijis and their link with Deobandis in Pakistan.

In his article Zaid Hamid admitted that what he is writing is difficult to say in Pakistan (probably due to threat from Khawarijees and their supporters who are present in all walks of life). Anyhow, since I believe it is important that all Pakistanis should know the facts what Zaid Hamid mentioned in his article, so that one can see the face of Pakistani Khawarijees, their link with Deobandis, and threat to Pakistan because of them, I am posting his article here.

Please read Zaid Hamid’s article carefully as it would help Muslims from saving their own religious beliefs (Islam), would help identify Khawarijees, would help identify so-called scholars who support Khawarijees, would help save oneself from becoming Khawarijees, would help in not becoming helper and supporter of Khawarjees, would help in saving Pakistan from Khawarjees, and so on.

Who are Khawarij in Pakistan? | Syed Zaid Zaman Hamid

Who are Khawarij in Pakistan?

By Syed Zaid Zaman Hamid
Dated: 30 August 2012

Read this post slowly and carefully and seek protection of Allah from Shaitan when you read this. No one will dare to tell you this in Pakistan. We Muslims of Pakistan will have to address the gravest threat to our faith, unity and ideology maturely now. We have many threats and enemies have surrounded us from all sides but the real threat is within. We will have to address and attack the Khawarij with full force. The entire nation must know who they are within the Pakistani nation.

Our mission is to protect our Islamic ideology and Pakistani identity. We do not divide the millat in religious or political sects nor we divide the Ummah on arrogance of Jahilia to divide them on ethnic, regional or linguistic lines. We are only Muslims as an Ummah and Pakistanis as an identity within it.

The biggest threat to Pakistan now is from Khawarij and their deviant murderous ideology. Indeed Khawarij are a great fitnah which our nation does not realize. Rasul Allah (sm) has advised and warned the Ummah strongly in over 100 Ahadees about Khawarij. Imam Ibn Taimiya says that Khawarij will always be present in Muslim society but you will only identify them when they pick up weapons and start to kill Muslims ruthlessly otherwise they would live like pious religious men with Quran and Salat within the Muslims. So it becomes extremely difficult to identity Khawarij until it’s too late, when they wage their war against the Ummah.
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Understand this that Khawarij is NOT a sect. It is a mentality of anarchy and chaos**. They are Takfiris who call Muslims as Kafirs and apply the verses of Quran on Muslims which have come for non-Muslims. They would side with Mushriks and wage war against Muslims. They would call Muslim leaders as Kafirs, Muslim state as Kafir but would never wage a war against Jews, Zionists and Hindus. They would be extremely religious with long beards and praying all night and fasting all day but they would be the “dogs of hell”.

In Muslims history, Khawarij have come from various sects in various times at various places. Sectarian differences and religious disagreements are present all over the Muslim world in entire history but they cannot be called Khawarij until they wage a war on the entire Muslim ummah and start to kill and slaughter the Muslims due to religious differences. Sects or groups can be deviant, sinful, confused, “Gumrah” but to call them Khawarij, certain very strict conditions have to be met. This is critical to understand.

In the past, Khawarij killed Hazrat Ali (RA). They waged a war against Sultan Salahuddin Ayyubi and today men like Ayman al Zawahiri and Hakeemullah Mehsud are doing the same.
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Today, they are the TTP in Pakistan. They call Quaid e Azam as Kafir, Allama Iqbal as Kafir. Pakistan as Kafiristan and are on a mission to destroy or take over Pakistan to make it easy for the Hindus to slaughter us as they did in 1947. Khawarij are the most dangerous weapon in the hands of Hindus and Zionists.**

But who are the TTP and from where they have emerged? This is critical to understand.

Within the Muslims, there are many sects. Shias and Sunnis are two large ones but there are many sub sects within them also. For example in Pakistan, we have Asna Ashari Shias, Ismaili Shias, Ahl Hadees sect, Deobandis, Barelvis, Sufis etc. Within Sunnis, Pir Jamaat Ali Shah, ameer e millat was a Faqeer of Ahl sunnat wal Jamaat and the entire Muslim nation followed him to support Quaid e Azam. Raja sahib Mehmood abad and many top Muslim league leaders were Shias and supported the Pakistan movement also. Muslim league was formed by Sir Agha Khan, who was an Ismaili, even though in the times of Crusades and Salahuddin Ayyubi, the Ismaili sect was known to be Khawarij and Assasins but not today.

We do not approve of sectarian divides within Muslims but mentioning this just to explain our point.
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When Pakistan was created all Muslims from all sects supported Pakistan strongly except a political party Jamiat e Ulama e Hind from Deobandi school. They decided to side with the Hindus and were thus called as Congressi Muslims in history. These are historical facts and cannot be denied. Till this day, despite the slaughter of millions of Muslims at the hands of Hindus, the Congressi Mullahs of Deoband India still support Hindus and Congress. Allama Iqbal had fiercely attacked the deobandi leader Maulvi Hussain Ahmed Madni and taunted him harshly that they are following the path of “Abu Lahab”. Again, this entire episode is part of Kalam e Iqbal and cannot be denied.**

Within the Deobandi school, two groups were created. One was pro-Pakistan and supported Quaid e Azam. Other was anti-Pakistan and remain at war with Muslims to this day. Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi and Maulana Shabbir Ahmed Usmani were blessed in this way that they broke ranks from Deoband and rebelled against JUH to join Quaid e Azam. Allama Shabbir Ahmed Usmani even saw Rasul Allah (sm) in his dream and Rasul Allah (sm) called Quaid e Azam as his soldier and thus Allama Shabbir Ahmed Usmani became a loyal and faithful Deobandi to join the Pakistan movement. Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi resigned from Deoband and supported cause of Pakistan after Gandhi was invited in that Madrassa for speech. This is also a fact that when these two great scholars from Deoband broke ranks, they faced extreme anger, rage, resistance and humiliation from Congressi Mullahs of Deoband.

When Pakistan was created, Deoband was already divided into two camps. Pro-Pakistan Deobandi who made Pakistan their home with love and over the years, have defended Pakistan, Pakistan’s ideology, Quaid e Azam and true Jihad in Afghanistan and Kashmir. Jamaat e Islami had also opposed Pakistan in the beginning but when Pakistan was created, they have always defended Pakistan at all levels and have even given blood for Pakistan, just like pro-Pakistan Deobandis.

But, there was also a group of Congressi JUH mullahs of Deoband who came to Pakistan and even though they still live in Pakistan, they have never accepted Pakistan as a state for Muslims. They always speak against Pakistan’s ideology, against two nations theory, against Allama Iqbal, call Quaid-e-Azam as Kafir and have now been armed by the NATO and RAW to wage war against Pakistan. They were here for the last 65 years but never had weapons, training camps and bases to start their war against Pakistan and Muslims. Now they have and thus we see this ruthless war against all Muslims – against all sects, against all Pakistanis and against Pak Army. TTP are anti-Pakistan deobandi gangs waging a war against Muslims and are the Khawarij of today.

Their brothers and friends are present in political parties of Pakistan, in government, in media and in many deobandi scholars of Pakistan. Their militant arm is TTP but they also have many political, religious and government arms who silently spread venom and poison against Pakistan’s ideology. Remember the words of Mufti Mehmood, father of JUI chief Fazlur Rehman, when he said that “we were not part of the sin of making Pakistan”? This is the mentality we are talking about.
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The Khawarij of today are threatening all Muslims who are opposed to suicide bombings and war against Pakistan. Majority of deobandis in Pakistan are pro-Pakistan and are NOT khawarij but are too afraid to speak against these takfiri Fasadis. Great scholars from deoband who spoke against TTP and suicide bombings have been assassinated by these Kharjis. Great scholars of Ahl-Sunnat and Barelvis, Ahl-Hadees and Shias who have spoken against TTP have also been killed.**

All sects in Pakistan have spoken passively and weakly against suicide bombings but no one dares to call TTP as Khawarij, except Dr. Tahir ul Qadri but then he had to leave the country for security reasons. It is the most serious responsibility of Pakistani Deoband Ulama to speak against TTP and call them Khawarij.** In a religious environment divided between sects, it is important that the scholars who belong to the sect of the TTP must speak out loudest**. Pakistani Deoband Ulama must also condemn the Congressi Mullahs of India of JUH and ask them to do tauba for their rebellion against Rasul Allah (sm), for supporting slaughter of Muslims at the hands of Hindus and for waging a war against Medina-e-Sani Pakistan, as Allama Iqbal had said clearly that they were following the path of Abu Lahab.

Khawarij of TTP are the biggest threats for all Muslims of all sects.** It is NOT a sectarian issue. It is an issue of a fitnah which have risen in Pakistan and incidentally this gang of killers belong to Congressi Deobandi school.** In Libya, Syria and other places, these Khawarij are from other sects also. So, again, we say, it is NOT a sectarian issue. It is a religious issue of a deviant dangerous Takfiri ideology which is attacking all Muslims today in Pakistan. Ulama of Deoband have the most highest responsibility as TTP and their likes in Pakistan belong to Deoband school of Congressi Mullahs who have always opposed Pakistan. There are political terrorists in Pakistan also like MQM, ANP, BLA etc but they are terrorists and NOT Khawarij. Rasul Allah (sm) had clearly given definition of Khawarij which only applies to TTP today, NOT to Afghan Mujahideen, NOT to Kashmiri Mujahideen, NOT to Hamas, NOT to Chechens, NOT to Hizbullah, NOT to Iraqi resistance. The so called Al-Qaeda and TTP are the same gangs of Khawarij. Understand this clearly and fight against them or be killed at their hands.

May Allah have mercy upon our souls and protect us from the Fitnah of Khawarij. May Allah protect Pakistan, Muslims and Pak Army from their sharr. May Allah destroy them at the hands of Pakistan Army and bring peace in the country. Ameen Ya Rabbul Alimeen.

Jazak Allah
ZH

Re: Khawarijees: The biggest threat to Pakistan and Islam

First Zaid Hamid Firenze is a joke, but he got the khawarijees stuff right.

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The word is khwarij or kharijis. Haven't read the post though. Just read the following:

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Read this post slowly and carefully and seek protection of Allah from Shaitan when you read this.
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LOL

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Does it matter how the word is spelled, as long as you can read and know what it means? ... Actually, Khwarij is Arabic word and one can spell that whatever way one likes, as long as people who would read would know what it means. :)

As for what Zaid Hamid wrote ... Seek protection of Allah from Shaitan when you read this ... that is true too, as most who become Khwarij think they are becoming pious Muslim without realising that they are becoming 'dogs of hell' ... so to safe oneself from this Shaitanic fitna, one should seek protection of Allah.

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Finally some sane words and reasonable arguments from Zahid Hamid

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I didnt think i’d ever agree with zaid hamid on anything. :smack:

by the way does any one know who issued a fatwa against allama iqbal on shikwa?

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There is some problem with the writer of this article. Why he is trying to drag hindus in this article? Can anyone clarify?

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Here we go:

Hafiz Muhammad Saeed ‏@HafizSaeedJUD](https://twitter.com/HafizSaeedJUD)
‘Takfeer’, labeling other muslim as ‘Kafir’ is the most destructive ideology threatening Muslims today; It’s against teachings of Prophet SW

Re: Khawarijees: The biggest threat to Pakistan and Islam

Wow, hafiz dude giving lessons on Islam!!! seems like Narendra Modi teaching Insaniyat to Gujratis.

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did you ever hear him??

I heard lot about him, few months ago, all of a sudden. Then I saw every one was inviting him on talk shows.
Strange as it sound but in pakistan we don’t let extremist in talk show/tv or on media in general.

So I clicked on one or two of his talk shows. The guy’s only fault is he has beard.
other wise you could not find a shred of extremism in his discussions.

Unlike Modi.

You know if you think about it Pakistan is the only country where extremist are on a run :snooty:

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What PLANET do you live in dude? Cause on earth, the country named Pakistan terrorists still is out of control.
Remember hazara of Quetta, and Abbas town?! These are just two examples that came to my mind at this moment.

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zaid hamid is known for his jingoism -based patriotism and ultimate hatred towards india, read hinsus.....his only goal in life is" Pakistan and India finally go to a war, it will be a nuclear war, somehow Pakistan army prevails, and then conquers india and then...."... blah blah

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ideologically speaking; i dont agree with zaid hamid's article...let me explain

yes, i would love to nuke all these terrorists and don't really care what we call them.....takfiri, kharji, khawarji or whatever.

but what zaid is saying in so many words is this
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"deobandis are kharijis based on XYZ religious fatwas ...kharjis are bad people and are not real muslims, so lets destroy them ... but** rest of us belong to a good sect of islam** and once we get rid of takkfeeris/kharjis, we can have an islamic state with an islamic idenitity based on a sect that ziad likes or belongs to"*

th*at is just bul-**tt, guys.... these terrorists guys are bad not because they are freakin takfeeries, bakwas-kiris, jhak-mar-verries, kharjies, drugg-iees, marjiess, warjiess, ......or whatever you want to call them...*

they are bad and monster because they kill innocent people.....
the are bad because they don’t believe in our constitution....
they are bad because they want to implement sharia laws and want to take us to caves
they are bad cuz they are against a civilized society, women rights and what not.....

we dont need to classify these terrorists by religious definitions, for god sake... we don’t care which freakin sect do they belong to....they are bad because they are bad people...period

because if we start hating and killing them based on a religious identity then I am afraid we are in deep ****...we are dividing our society more..you bring 3 quranic verses against them, they will bring 5 in their favor and 10 hadees against you....that is why organized religion is so dangerous at state or society level...

what if tomorrow certain shia groups take similar terrorist path?u guys see what i am trying to say... are you going to call them takfiris too? fact remains that we will fight them too coz they will be bad people..PERIOD

What Islamic identity or Islamic state zaid is talking about? Bralvis? Well then shias will be upset....or a shia state? well then braalvis will be upset

please keep things simple...remember West went through all of this bulh--****tt and sect war to finally separate church and state..why do we want to take such a tough path?

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but is this hafiz dude a kharjie, khawarjie, takfeeri, takfiri, dobandi, sunni, wahabi, bralvi?..oh i am so confused…help me God!!!

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yep spot on..u got it right..this guy can speak few words in english..so ali azmat type luv him as well

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here is zaid hamid when he was young and used to work in movies..he even had a song on his lal topi..he has been a great actor throughout his life!

Sar Par Topi Lal - Asha Bhosle, Md. Rafi, Shammi Kapoor, Tumsa Nahin Dekha Song - YouTube

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He is still being bashed for saying something good as per his critics.

What a joke!

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I just dnt like this guy ..even when he is telling the truth i feel like he is being bias.

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Brother, to be fair, I myself do not agree with many things Zaid Hamid propagates. I believe that he exaggerates a lot and sometime talks illogically. But then, one have to be fair to whatever he writes or says, and just because one do not agree with many things he says, one cannot ignore when he says something true and sensible.

I think you did not understood what Zaid Hamid wrote above. And since you did not understood what he wrote, how can you explain?

I believe you are just trying to exaggerate what Zaid Hamid wrote and worse is that, you have also added your own ideas and blamed that on Zaid Hamid.

Look at what you wrote:

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but what zaid is saying in so many words is this "deobandis are kharijis based on XYZ reasons ...so they are bad and they are not real muslims, so lets destroy them... but rest of us belong to good sect of islam and that once we get rid of takkfeeris/kharjis, we can have an islamic identity as a state based on sect that ziad likes"
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I do not know where you got the idea that what you wrote is what Zaid Hamid wrote. Even if one twists all words of Zaid Hamid, still one cannot come to conclusion what you mentioned above.

Zaid Hamid did not write anywhere that Deobandis are Khwarjees or that they do takfeer. Actually, at many places he wrote that Khwarjees (takfeeries) do not belong to any sect. Only thing he said regarding Khwarjees and Deobandi is that, 'present day Khwarjees active in Pakistan' (note: Present day Khwarjees who are active in Pakistan) 'are from Deobandi sect' (again, it does not mean all Deobandis are Khwarjees, but it means, a group of Deobandis have become Khwarjees).

Actually in the article, Zaid Hamid also mentioned that there are Khwarjees who are active in Egypt, Iraq and other places, and they are not Deobandis.

Here is quotation from his article … so read it carefully and look at what you wrote, and you will find marked difference from what Zaid Hamid wrote and what you claimed he wrote:

[Zaid Hamid: Understand this that Khawarij is NOT a sect. It is a mentality of anarchy and chaos. They are Takfiris who call Muslims as Kafirs and apply the verses of Quran on Muslims which have come for non-Muslims. They would side with Mushriks and wage war against Muslims. They would call Muslim leaders as Kafirs, Muslim state as Kafir but would never wage a war against Jews, Zionists and Hindus. They would be extremely religious with long beards and praying all night and fasting all day but they would be the “dogs of hell”.

In Muslims history, Khawarij have come from various sects in various times at various places. Sectarian differences and religious disagreements are present all over the Muslim world in entire history but they cannot be called Khawarij until they wage a war on the entire Muslim ummah and start to kill and slaughter the Muslims due to religious differences. Sects or groups can be deviant, sinful, confused, “Gumrah” but to call them Khawarij, certain very strict conditions have to be met. This is critical to understand.]

In above paragraph he clearly wrote that Khawarjies can come from various sects in various times at various places.

He also clearly mentioned that Sects or groups (and that include Berelvi, Shias, Deobandi, Wahabi, etc) could be deviant, sinful, confused but they cannot be called Khwarjees. To be called Khwarjees there is strict conditions … and that also he mentioned that the condition is:

[Zaid Hamid: They are Takfiris who call Muslims as Kafirs and apply the verses of Quran on Muslims which have come for non-Muslims]

He also mentioned, and rightly so, that it is very difficult to identify Khwarjees in normal circumstances as they would seem pious and peaceful Muslim who won’t be doing takfeer or would not be harming any other person. But … one can easily recognise them when they start showing their true colour, as then they would start doing takfeer and would start harming and killing Muslims.

[Zaid Hamid: you will only identify them when they pick up weapons and start to kill Muslims ruthlessly otherwise they would live like pious religious men with Quran and Salat within the Muslims]

You wrote:

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we dont need to classify these terrorists by religious definitions, for god sake... we don’t care which freakin sect do they belong to....they are bad because they are bad people...period

because if we start hating and killing them based on a religious identity then I am afraid we are in deep ****...we are dividing our society more..you bring 3 quranic verses against them, they will bring 5 in their favor and 10 hadees against you....that is why organized religion is so dangerous at state or society level...
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And that is what Zaid Hamid also wrote, that one cannot classify them with any freaking sect. So what is the big deal you are trying to say here that is different than what Zaid Hamid wrote?

You wrote:

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what if tomorrow certain shia groups take similar terrorist path?u guys see what i am trying to say... are you going to call them takfiris too? fact remains that we will fight them too coz they will be bad people..PERIOD
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Terrorist path … what terrorist path? … Terrorists could be those who terrorises Muslims and could also be those who terrorises non-Muslims. Terrorist could be freedom fighters or life protectors for some … and at the same time could be killers, terrorisers, and criminals for others, so you cannot say that one is a sinner or deserve to get persecuted or killed just because they are considered ‘terrorist’ by someone (be that someone, us or them).

We have to understand that terrorists are not necessarily Khwarjees, but Khwarjees are certainly terrorists, rather a fitna bigger than terrorists. At least terrorists have some worldly agenda that once achieved they stop terrorising anyone.

But Khwarjees have no agenda other than to kill Muslims who do not agree with them (there understanding of Islam), and for that they do takfeer so that they can find excuse to kill Muslims.

So, Khwarjees are not just terrorists, they are Fitna who do takfeer and then uses that takfeer to harm, terrorise, and kill Muslims (they are not even terrorists when it comes to terrorising Kuffars).

If a group of Shias (or Berelvies) would do the same, that is, start doing takfeer and then making takfeer as their justification to start harming, terrorising and killing Muslims (of any sect) then they would be Khwarjees too.

Actually, at one place Zaid Hamid wrote that there was time when there were Khwarjees who were Ismaili Shias as they were probably doing the same, that is doing takfeer and using that takfeer to kill Muslims … so here is your answer that what would happen if a group of Shias would start doing Takfeer and making that takfeer as excuse to harm, terrorise and kill Muslims … as then they would be Khwarjees too.

Here is what Zaid Hamid wrote:
[Zaid Hamid: Within the Muslims, there are many sects. Shias and Sunnis are two large ones but there are many sub sects within them also. For example in Pakistan, we have Asna Ashari Shias, Ismaili Shias, Ahl Hadees sect, Deobandis, Barelvis, Sufis etc. Within Sunnis, Pir Jamaat Ali Shah, ameer e millat was a Faqeer of Ahl sunnat wal Jamaat and the entire Muslim nation followed him to support Quaid e Azam. Raja sahib Mehmood abad and many top Muslim league leaders were Shias and supported the Pakistan movement also. Muslim league was formed by Sir Agha Khan, who was an Ismaili, even though in the times of Crusades and Salahuddin Ayyubi, the Ismaili sect was known to be Khawarij and Assasins but not today]

So, if you comment on something, please try to read carefully, understand, and then comment without additions, baseless accusations, and commenting out of context. Thanks.

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brother...jazak allah and thank you for post....

I am glad zaid condemned these terrorists and want them to be finished ...but my problem is with his approach.

zaid is saying many things as he is trying to be politically correct but the fact remains that he is making a case that all khawarijis in pakistan are deobandis... you cannot deny this...

read below..here is what he said:

"*TTP are anti-Pakistan deobandi gangs** waging a war against Muslims and** are the Khawarij of today.**

Their brothers and friends are present in political parties of Pakistan, in government, in media and in many deobandi scholars of Pakistan.

Khawarij of TTP are the biggest threats for all Muslims of all sects. It is NOT a sectarian issue. It is an issue of a fitnah which have risen in Pakistan and incidentally this gang of killers belong to Congressi Deobandi school"*

so it is very very clear what zaid is saying .... that TTP are kharjis and that all kharjis in Pakistan are deobanids.

he then says politically correct stuff but bottom line is that he is associating TTP/kharjis to a certain sect and it will certainly bother that sect...hence a strong probability of more sectarian divide and more hatred..

If you dont believe that is the case, all i can say whatever makes you happy..i am not going to insult you or anything. salam