Assalam Alaikum wrw all, wow, thanks for the thread ibn Sadique. I am going to suppress the urge to reply for the cause of Iteehaad e Bainul Muslimeen thanks to the senior respected guppies Pathan Bhai and Code_Red.
Still i will ask our sister ayesha, since she is new here, to read the background of the following verse: Chapter 3, verse 152: The Amramites (Ãli-´Imrãn) Allah verily made good His promise unto you when ye routed them by His leave, until (the moment) when your courage failed you, and ye disagreed about the order and ye disobeyed, after He had shown you that for which ye long. Some of you desired the world, and some of you desired the Hereafter. Therefore He made you flee from them, that He might try you. Yet now He hath forgiven you. Allah is a Lord of Kindness to **believers.
*Pagluu *– Now you remember “Iteehaad e Bainul Muslimeen” after you have spewed your venom here – All your accusations were debunked.
Don’t even try to pretend to be concerned about “Iteehaad e Bainul Muslimeen” . You were aware and intentions were clear when to posted the BS.
You bring all the BS from extreme 12er sites believing it be true and post it here to cause fitnah.
Don’t suppress your urges now. If you the guts be a man and defend what posted.
Lucky you that I have some spare on me time this week and can take on your challenge and if you persist I will bring forth material attributed to your imams which will make even the hardcore sailors blush.
Now again you have quoted an ayah from the Quran – Please show us how this ayah relates to Hz. Umar (ra)?
In fact if you had only read the ayah yourself you would have got your answer.
"Therefore He made you flee from them, that He might try you. Yet now He hath forgiven you. Allah is a Lord of Kindness to believers". 3:152
Allah (swt) tried the Muslims at the time of battle of Uhud – When the Quraish under the command of Hz. Khalid bin Al Waleed ambushed the Muslims and overwhelmed them, some Muslim fled.
Allah (swt) has stated that He forgave them and that they are the Believers.
Who are you to account them when Allah (swt) Himself has forgiven them and addressed them as Believers?
I recommend u guys to go study tareekh.
Guidance is ONLY in the Quran and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw) - And if you are looking for Guidance then you will find it there and not in history books.
History is always distorted, subjective and biased. Leaved it to scholars.
Allah (swt) is not going to ask you questions from history but how much you followed the Quran and the Sunnah of His beloved Prophet (saw).
Therein lies your salvation - Quran and the Sunnah
I believe it is not fair to compare two refusal from two noble companion of holy prophet (pbuh) [Hazrat Ali(ra) and Hazra Umar(ra)] because the whole background is different
As rightly pointed out by Nussairee
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On the other hand refusal of Hazrat Umar can be termed as human weakness. He has known to have repented later in life for his rude behaviour and arguing with prophet (pbuh) during Treaty of Hudaibya.
Similarly, prophet Muhammad (pbuh) got very annoyed with Hazrat Ali (ra) when he planned to do 2nd nikkah while in presence of his first wife Hazrat Fatima (ra) [beloved daughter holy prophet pbuh ]
So we can not take an isolated account of history and judge a person's charachter selectively. That is very biased approach IMO.
We should take human weakness into account as these noble companion were best of the best muslims. And we can learn all the good things about religion from them and ignore few errors and misjudgments.
About right.