Khalid bin Waleed controversy [split- Sahaba fan club]

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Re: Khalid bin Waleed controversy [split- Sahaba fan club]

So, if Malik bin Nuwairah was considered apostate, did that called off his marriage with Laila Bint-e-Minhal?

If so, what is the Sunni Ruling? Does the iddah period needs to be observed in such a case?

Let’s our respected scholars of Islam in this forum chime now :rolleyes:

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Re: Khalid bin Waleed controversy [split- Sahaba fan club]

If Khalid bin Waleed (ra) had shown a little bit restraint and Respect for deceased' family, no one would have casted doubt on his actions.

He was sent to settle/negotiate concerns of (mostly) muslims. Marrying widow of tribe's leader should have been last thing on his mind ! No ?

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On what grounds ?

It might be an error of judgement or fragility of political base.

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Code_Red brother....

sub say pehli baat to yeh hay keh tamam islamic history nay yeh baat record ki hay keh Rasool Allah s.a.w.a.w., kay wisaal kay foran baad taqreeban 700 say ziada huffaz-e-quran ko "munkireen-e-zakaat" keh kar tah-e-taigh kia gaya.

magar masala yeh hay keh sunni tradition mai'n 100% history ko na qabil-e-yaqeen gardana jaata hay or yeh uzar paish kia jata hay keh tareekh likhnay walay sub kay sub moarrikh "shia" thay.....

na maloom keh ghair shia moarrikh us waqt kahaa'n thay?

doosri baat yeh keh hairat un logo'n par hay jinho'n nay apni jaan to day di magar in logo'n ko zakat naa di, iss say kam az kam yeh to saaf pata chalta hay keh moaamlah 2.50 rupalli ka nahee'n tha bulkeh koi or moaamla tha jis ki wajah say unho'n nay jaan daina to gawara kia magar in logo'n ko zakat kay 2.50 rupay daina gawara nahee'n kia.

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Masha Allah! Aap tau subb say ziadah aqal mand haiN.

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Ref. Please,
otherwise it is just a baseless acqusition on Sahaba-e-Ikram, calling them Murderers and followers of their nafs, in broader term, it is also stating the Teachers of All teacher (SAAW) was failed to educate his companions, which is another false allegation indeed.

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Brother you should admit the fact that this incident is recored in sunni traditions despite being very much against a very noble and high Ranking sahabi and Govt of that time.

Also if you study carefully , sunni tradition are full of incidents which highlight weakness of great sahabi's and people people freely criticising rulers of the time. Because of the core belief that Companions of the prophet are not infallible, yet they set best possible examples for us to follow. They strived hard to follow the footsteps of prophet(pbuh) and achieved excellence in love and devotion.

It would be wise to not involve countless other sectarian strifes, which are not under discussion in this thread.

Also please note that in case of this particular incident, the details are almost same as recorded in shia and sunni tradition. So , it might be cosidered a proof that sunni historian were not dishonest , by and large.

Also we should look in to this incident objectively.

Another mars mission failed
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its a retrospective claim IMHO , as i wrote earlier if ibn nuwaira was a suppporter of another candidate [esp Ali] why did umar . ibn umar , salim mawla who were loyal supporters of abu bakr oppose his execution?

sunni chroniclers are concerned with clearing khalid of all wrong doing whole for shias the whole incident became a great opportunity to accuse abu bakr of political murders.

even if ibn nuwaira opposed abu bakr's caliphate it is highly unlikely that he id so because he prefered Ali .Ammar b yasir , and adi b hatim 2 of Ali's most trusted lieutanents fought for abu bakr in apostasy wars they would have raised protests if this would have happened

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i think the elevation of sahaba to near -infallible status in sunnis also a backlash of the 12ers maligning them with everything under the sun

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:salam:

Code red bhai

You missed the underlying point of my post. Sometimes actions, which would normally be disciplined are overlooked or not disciplined due to the pressing need of bigger concerns.

When I gave the example of Ubay bin Salool, I was not comparing him to Khalid bin Walid but rather emphasizing the point that even the Prophet SAW demonstrated during his lifetime that not all ills can be corrected as soon as they occur because they may cause more harm to a bigger cause than benefit. In the case of Khalid bin Walid, Abu Bakr clearly had the task of uniting the apostates or defeating them and keeping the borders of the muslim state safe from Persians, and Khalid bin Walid was pivotal to most of the battles fought during Abu Bakrs RA caliphate. Would you have risked shrinking the borders of a newly founded Islamic state or chose to chastise the general who was holding the ranks intact? As leader of an ummah, the caliph is responsible first for the overall well-being of his subjects and then individual justice. This is a no-brainer and anyone who argues against it needs medical attention or has priorities messed up while in a leadership position.

Even if we ascertain it was a violation of Quranic injunctions, there is no verse or hadith that prescribes a punishment for marrying a woman during her Iddah period. What this means is that it is left to the rulers discretion on how to discipline the violater, in this we all know what Abu Bakr RA chose to do. If his RA circumstances were different, it could be surmised he might have chosen to act differently.

The story of Umar RA you have quoted carries with a lesson that he demonstrated and makes my point even clearer. Umar RA when punished his son, did on top of lashing he had already received and it had been confirmed to him. He still chose to repeat the punishment when everyone one was against it, what he was demonstrating was that nepotism has no place in the caliphate. It was in the greater interests of future and current leaders in the ummah. The very next caliphate of Uthman RA fell victim to allegations of nepotism whether justitfied or not. Umar RA prevented that within his rule.

Although Umar RA dismissed Khalid bin Walid RA from his post, Umar RA re-acquired his services when the tide had turned and one thing you failed to mention was that he conceded that Abu Bakrs RA judgement in the case of Khalid bin Walid was correct and he resorted to doing the same thing by appointing Khalid bin Walid again for campaigns in Syria.

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:salam:

Bilkul durust farmaya aap ne, lanat bhaijain ya nahin, jo Allah SWT ne un ke saath karna hai wo to hoga. Yahan baat durust ki nahin hai, baat priority ki hai, hum log lanat malamat mein ziyada time surf kartay bajai taa’meeri kaamon mein.

Apni hi misaal le lijiay, aap abhi tak lanat malamat per atkay huay hain. Apni sochiyiay or apnay saatheon ki sochiyiay ke is dunya mein ub kiya karna hai musalmanon ke haalaat behtar bananay ke liyiay.

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lolz

ma’salaam

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:)

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Re: Khalid bin Waleed controversy [split- Sahaba fan club]

Peace All

What great deeds are recorded about Malik ibn Nuwayrah? ... please list them with evidence.

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Apart from the Prophets (peace be upon them all) no human is infallible.

Shias have inherent hatred for the blessed companions of the Messenger of Allah except for the lucky few that too not for their closeness to the Messenger of Allah but for their closeness to Hz. Ali (ra).

Khalid bin Al Waleed (ra) is among those who have ‘earned’ Shias’ special treatment. (Maybe because he played central role in destroying the Persian Empire – additionally he was instrumental in destroying the Roman Empire).

I hope that everyone here reads the following link and it has refuted all the allegations against the one whom the Messenger of Allah had honoured by calling him the ‘Sword of Allah’.

**Khalid Ibn Al-Walid, the Slandered Sword of Allah **

http://www.ansar.org/english/q&a.htm

Zero1 – just testing your knowledge – what do you mean by “lot of time with Prophet (s).” Can you please quantify this( How many years?)? You are in for a big surprise!

Sadly some claim to love the Prophet (pbuh) but hate nearly all of those with whom he spent best of his time on this earth.

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Assalamu’alaikum Bro Ibn Sadique

I was waiting for you to arrive! JazakAllah khair for the link I shall look at it, by the way any info on Malik Ibn Muwayrah?

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Re: Khalid bin Waleed controversy [split- Sahaba fan club]

Ibn Sadique :salam2:

Jazak Allah Khair for participation. I was looking forward to it patiently (or impatiently you can say as it was anticipated before the split of the thread).

I have looked into the provided link with a bird’s eye and it seems very promising. I have a firm faith that Syedena Khalid Bin Waleed :razi: is greater than the sadful accusations..

I appreciate your time and effort. Thank you so much.

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JAK Br. Ibn Sadique. This clarifies many of the things I have read as well.

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I just read this post and skipped the rest.

Absolutely agree. No one can tell us who is right and who is not in some not so important events in this world.

This kind of silly fist fight and jumping up and down on events which might not have ocurred hundreds of years ago the way some people allegedly wrote do no good to anyone.

Go ahead and believe whatever you believe in this matter.

I see no one getting any benefit for this discussion whatsoever.

Does it matter if someone AFTER the prophet (SAW) did something or did not do something?

Does it matter to anyone’s way of life today if any sahaba did not do such a great job..if thats really true? We all know they were human afterall.
Islam does not change with what they did or did not do.

**So please do something sensible and stop arguing on issues which help nobody. **

You are giving fuel to the misconception among non muslims that muslims with different ways of thinking cannot live together and just hate each other…

For centuries different minded people in Islam lived together despite being powerful over one or the other.

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salam
none that I know of except that he was appointed to collect tax of his tribe by the prophet , but if he was a sahabi then he shud be treated with the same respect by sunnis as they treat other sahaba
80% sahaba have no speical deeds recorded about them in rijal works does that make them expendable?