Please give reference or narate the whole story including year of occurance. I believe most of us are unaware of this incident, and your vague refernce is not helping at all.
AQ- I will decide about appropriate action once i see the evidence or lack thereof.
Brother i was about to reply you but light got went... I hope you would give me time until tomorrow so that i may compile references to support what i said and then what action you will take doing justice will be convinient for me... If refferences support what i have mention then you know Allah asks us to say Zalim to Zalim and not to support any zalim by this and that.....
I request all brothers to please wait for just one day and if i would be wrong then i will ask for forgiveness from all of you!
for the time being i am just quoting down this statement which you can check yourself…
**Umar was angry at him (Khalid) because of what he had done, by killing Malik bin Nuwayrah and marrying his wife and also for what was in his heart against him (Khalid) about Bani Jadhima case’
^ Where is the word "Rape" used. If I am not wrong Hazrat Malik bin Nuwayrah (r.a) wife's name was Umme Tameem, who was happily married to Hazrat Khalid bin Waleed (r.a). Infact in one of the books I read that once Hazrat Khaild (r.a) forgot his cap (pagri on which he used to place a hair of the prophet (saw) after taking permission) before going for war. Hazrat UmmeTameen knew that Hazrat Khalid has great confidence in fighting because of that pagri (with the prophet's hair on it) so she took the horse and entered the war only to give that pagri to HAzrat Khalid (r.a).
After when Hazrat Abu Bakar got the Khilafat in Saceefa many Muslim Tribes rejected to accept him as a Caliph.. Even some people claim to be the Prophet So Hazrat Abu Bakar decided to fight against them..
Among all those some people were those who were astonished that how it is possible that When Ahl e Beyt and Banu Hashim are there Abu Bakar got the khilafat so they in there astonishment rejected to give Zakat to the representative of Govt for collecting the Zakat...
Among of them Were the Malik ibn e Nuwaira who were famous because of his piousness.. Khalib Bin Waleed with approval of Hazrat Abu Bakr was looking after these matters and went to Malik's tribe and ask him to give the Zakat...
Malik objected that who made Abu Bakar the Caliph of Prophet when Hazrat Ali is among us... Moreover Malik said that we will give our Zakat to Hazrat Ali instead of Hazrat Abu Bakar... But after discussion matter was solved and Malik & Khalid agreed that Malik will visit Madina and after then will pay Zakat direct to Govt. Office... But on the other hand Khalid asked his Men to be prepare and in night they silently killed Malik and his friends... (some history writers claim that Khalid had seen the Wife of Malik and that was the reason of Malik's death)
When Malik got Killed then Khalid Overcome n the wife of Ibn e Nuwaira... Some writers here mentioned that Khalid did marry to her but in Islamic Fiqh a women have to stay in Iddat for a specified time to get marry again... But in this case Iddat was not made so If we say Khalid did Marry then in which fiqh such marry is allowed....
Cotinued...remaining will after some break coz its time of load shedding....
Re: Khalid bin Waleed controversy [split- Sahaba fan club]
Dear muslims
The incident about Khalid bin Waleed RA and Malik ibn Nuwaira RA is well-known though it is only known as a fact. A fact can be interpreted many ways. These kind of discussions will get you no where but only create more fissures instead of bridging the gap between muslims.
Is Abu Bakr RA or Umar bin Khattab RA or Khalid bin Waleed RA or Malik ibn Nuwaira RA or Umm Tamim RA here? No. Do we have any authority to judge anyone who is not among us anymore? No. Can we change anything over what we call offenses that they may have given centuries ago? No. Their judgement is in Allah SWT hands and not a matter for us anymore and Allah SWT is the best judge. So please stop this bickering over things that are not in your control and carry no merit for us today. We can all rationalize our reasons however the point is that it doesn’t matter now.
aik yeh bhi bohat ghambeer masala hay keh aksar log in waqeaat ko achi tarah jaantay bhi hai’n yahaa’n tak keh tareekh ki kutub mai’n kis kis ka ehtajaj record hay unhai’n uss ki bhi khabar hay, magar iss tamam ilm kay bawajood, apnay shohar ki laash par bain karti baiwah kay sath uss kay maqtool shohar ki tadfeen say pehlay kiay jaanay walay “naam nehaad” nikah say mutalliq apni hi fiqah mai’n mojood munasib tareen lafz kay istamal say guraiza’n bhi rehtay hai’n.
waisay brother Das Reich, protest karnay walo’n mai’n say kuch nay to khud bhi hakoomat ki hay, agar un ka protest zalim ko uss kay zulm ki saza nahee’n dilwa saka to yaqeenan unho’n nay apnay dor-e-hakoomat mai’n zalim ko uss kay zulm ki saza zaroor di ho gi…
agar aisa hay to woh yaqeenan qabil-e-ehtaram hai’n…
zalimo’n say baizari quran paak kay usloob mai’n bhi hay or hamaray ikhtyar mai’n bhi…
jo zalimo’n say baizari ikhtyar karta hay Allah uss ko “Ahl-e-eeman” mai’n shumar karta hay…
kia kisi zalim ko zalim naa kehnay par aakhirat mai’n hamari koi pakar nahee’n ho gi?
kia kisi zalim kay zulm par pardah daal’na or uss kay liay Allah ki raza talab karna kisi kaam aa sakta hay jab’keh Allah khud zalimo’n par lanat bhaij raha ho?
zalimo'n say baizari quran paak kay usloob mai'n bhi hay or hamaray ikhtyar mai'n bhi....
jo zalimo'n say baizari ikhtyar karta hay Allah uss ko "Ahl-e-eeman" mai'n shumar karta hay......
kia kisi zalim ko zalim naa kehnay par aakhirat mai'n hamari koi pakar nahee'n ho gi?
kia kisi zalim kay zulm par pardah daal'na or uss kay liay Allah ki raza talab karna kisi kaam aa sakta hay jab'keh Allah khud zalimo'n par lanat bhaij raha ho?
Jinaab, jo aap ke waqt ke zaalim hein un ki taraf tuwajjo dein, us ka kuch faida bhi hoga or agli naslein bhi faida uthaain gi. Apna shaoor guzishta zalimon per kharch ne kariyay, hamain mustaqbil ki fikar ziyada karni chahiyay. Or jin logon ke mutaliq aap zor o shor se apni rai ka izhar kar rahain hain, aap un waqiyat ke chashamdeedh gawah nahin hain, or us ke baawujud aap un logon per Allah ki laant pukar rahain hain. Huzoor pak SAW nein sirf un logon per lanat talab ki thi jinhon nein un ko nuqsaan punhchaya tha or un maazi ke logon per jin ke baray mein un ko basharat hoi thi. Aik waqiya ka tazkara karna alag baat hai or us per yaqeen ke saath rai ka izhar karna or baat hai.
Look forward not backward. There are more pressing issues involving muslims today rather than spending time on endless debates about events of the past, which do little to bring any benefit to muslims but rather discontent and disharmony. Leave the matters of the past to be decided by Allah SWT.
Re: Khalid bin Waleed controversy [split- Sahaba fan club]
to USR
so if we can dismiss so ligthly the execution of malik b nuwaira why cant we do the same for all the other more high profiled sahaba ....if a sahabi kills a sahabi thats okay if a nonsahabi kills a sahabi thats a big deal ...is there regicide in islam?
to netdevil
so if ibn nuwaira was such a loyal follower of Ali why didnt Ali protest his execution? Ali protested ammar's beating and abu dharr's exile by uthman , why not do this for killing of ibn nuwaira ? and if umar b khattab and other sahaba were so bad as you 12ers claim why did they protest ibn nuwaira's execution allegedly a supporter of Ali.
nadeem zaidi
bhai zara hamari ankhoon pay raham karen ,chasmay ka number bhar jai ga
Its not about dismissing anything, rather its about not getting into calling judgements to which are not privy with all the required information. The people during those times were the best ones to call judgement upon them, whatever they did, we cannot change that. Their actions and decisions will be decided upon by Allah SWT not us. As for their actions, which we cannot consolidate with the Quranic teachings, is best not to exercise again. I agree that we are not allowed to marry a woman during her Iddat period, this is clear from Quran and Sunnah and yes Khalid bin Walid RA action conflicts with it however we can only surmise what priorities were taken into consideration by Abu Bakr RA when deciding upon this matter. Sometimes wrong-doings cannot be disciplined when greater interests are at stake. This is something even Rasul Allah SAW demonstrated during his lifetime by never taking Abdullah bin Ubay Salool to task for all the ills he had conjured, it was not in the best interests of Islam at the time so Rasul Allah SAW always took a lenient approach with him. When faced with choosing between the lesser of two evils, one should not be maligned for choosing the lesser one despite the fact that it still wrong. It is easy to blame others when one is not in that situation themselves. Khalid bin Walids actions were not condoned but simply no discipline was acted upon due to bigger concerns, a fact later on attested even by Umar RA.
walaikum salam bro USR
I agree with that infact it can be argued had abu bakr[ra] not faced apostasy wars he would not have put the later converts in command of muslim armies during conquest of syria , but I hope you agree that such a principal should be applied to all indiscrimanately
Re: Khalid bin Waleed controversy [split- Sahaba fan club]
To All
One thing some people usually mention that What have been done in past have been done and now we cant do anything about that so leave discussing the history... If it was so Allah Almighty never ever stated the history in Quran e Pak... On the other hand Allah repeatedly tells the historical events to let our eyes be opened...
But Moreover the History of Sahaba and discussion on the acts done by them is more important as among the Sahaba there were some munafiqeen so we discuss on such topic search who were munafic so that we may not follow any evil......
To Brother Das
You seem to be familiar with history should not have to raise such point... As you know in those days what was going with Hazrat Ali... First of all some brought fire on the Door Of Janab e Fatima Zahra (A.S) and then Fidak was hijacked by Govt. and Hazrat Ali (a.s) itself was brought in the Darbar with hands tied so if Hazrat Ali would have protested then was this protest of any use (Provided that If Hazrat Ali didnt protested) as the greatest protest should have to be on Khilafat...
On the other hand When Hazrat Alirecorded his protest it was the time when Govt was established and so it was the time to correct the Govt action instead of letting them do what they are doing.....
You seem to be familiar with history should not have to raise such point... As you know in those days what was going with Hazrat Ali... First of all some brought fire on the Door Of Janab e Fatima Zahra (A.S) and then Fidak was hijacked by Govt. and Hazrat Ali (a.s) itself was brought in the Darbar with hands tied so if Hazrat Ali would have protested then was this protest of any use (Provided that If Hazrat Ali didnt protested) as the greatest protest should have to be on Khilafat...
On the other hand When Hazrat Alirecorded his protest it was the time when Govt was established and so it was the time to correct the Govt action instead of letting them do what they are doing.....
salam
but the person who allegedly brought the fire to door is also the one and his son protesting against the killing of one of the supporters of Ali i.e ibn nuwaira
somehow the story does not add up.....
secondly Ali in nahjul balagah says that he gave bayt to preserve unity of muslims during Riddah wars so its likely that this event occured after bayah
thirdly some important supporters of Ali were serving under abu bakr at that time
Re: Khalid bin Waleed controversy [split- Sahaba fan club]
I agree with Das Reich
*Why this act is not a big deal ? *
*Just because Khalid bin Waleed (ra) was in commanding position and was incharge of ruling armed forces. *
Sorry to say but are you remotely trying to justify an act of great noble companion of prophet (pbuh) by an example of clear cut hypocrite ? I would rather not do that.
The acts of Abdullah bin ubey were limited to conscpiracy and mischeif. but this act was a brutality and (if we give total benefit of the doubt in case of murder ) still This so called nikah was a clear voilation of quranic injunctions.
On one hand we grew up reading story of Hazrat Umar’'s (ra) exemplary justice where he punished his son till death for consuming liquor on other hand not taking him(khalid bin waleed) to task ?
Although Hazrat Umar dismissed Khalid from the post of Army chief when he was on winning spree but the reason given were different
Re: Khalid bin Waleed controversy [split- Sahaba fan club]
^ maybe umar [ra] did not want to contradict what abu bakr [ra] did ....but its clear that umar[ra] from the beginning was not happy in giving command to people who had fought against the Prophet[pbuh] so this decision was expected.
also is the issue of Riddah war captives umar[ra] released them and allowed them to participate in wars of conquest.
but what USR I think is saying is that if a drastic action was taken against khalid at that time banu makhzum might have been deeply offended and many other quraishi meccans may have withdrawn their support to caliphate.
Jinaab, jo aap ke waqt ke zaalim hein un ki taraf tuwajjo dein, us ka kuch faida bhi hoga or agli naslein bhi faida uthaain gi. Apna shaoor guzishta zalimon per kharch ne kariyay, hamain mustaqbil ki fikar ziyada karni chahiyay. Or jin logon ke mutaliq aap zor o shor se apni rai ka izhar kar rahain hain, aap un waqiyat ke chashamdeedh gawah nahin hain, or us ke baawujud aap un logon per Allah ki laant pukar rahain hain. Huzoor pak SAW nein sirf un logon per lanat talab ki thi jinhon nein un ko nuqsaan punhchaya tha or un maazi ke logon per jin ke baray mein un ko basharat hoi thi. Aik waqiya ka tazkara karna alag baat hai or us per yaqeen ke saath rai ka izhar karna or baat hai.
Look forward not backward. There are more pressing issues involving muslims today rather than spending time on endless debates about events of the past, which do little to bring any benefit to muslims but rather discontent and disharmony. Leave the matters of the past to be decided by Allah SWT.
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Salam bro USR, what you have said is absolutely right.
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kia aap kay paas koi hawala hay keh sirf aaj kay dour kay zalimo'n par to lanat bhaijni hay magar sabqah zalimo'n par nahee'n?
or agar aap ki iss baat ko hi durust maan lia jaay to bhala aanay wali naslo'n ka iss mai'n kia faaedah hay? unn kay liay to aaj kay zalim bhi mazi ka hi hissa ho'n gay na....
yaqeenan iss kaynaat kay sub say pehlay zalim par bhi Quran ki roo say Allah ki lanat jaati hay or aakhri zalim bhi Allah ki lanat say bachnay ka nahee'n.
aap kisi zalim par lanat bhaijai'n, naa bhaijai'n, yaa doosro'n ko bhi zalimo'n say baizari ikhtyar karnay say rokai'n, iss say koi faraq nahee'n parnay wala, kioo'n keh Quran ka faislah sachcha or atal hay.
Re: Khalid bin Waleed controversy [split- Sahaba fan club]
Peace All
I admit I don’t know this story, but perhaps I see it from a different viewpoint. After just a bit of research I can already find justification of the killing of ibn nuwayrah.
Furthermore, from this and what others have written, no one has explored the possibility that there may have been an exception exercised for the marriage of Khalid bin Walid (RA) to the widow of ibn Nuwayrah.
I am not prepared to believe that either Khalid or Abu Bakr AsSiddique will react to maintain power that is showing their wanted power rather than feared it’s responsibility.
