Khalid bin Waleed controversy [split- Sahaba fan club]

Nam Per Sahaba k Jaan bhi Qurbaan hey

I am much inspired by the following Sahaba Kiram (Rizwan Ullah e Ahleihim Ajmaeen)

Hazrat Ali (A.s)
Hazrat Humza
Hazrat Jafar Tayyar
Hazrat Suleman Farsi
Hazrat Abuzar Ghuffari
Hazrat Ammar Yasir
Hazrat Bilal
Hazrat Abdullah ibn e Abbas
Hazrat Malik bin Nuweira
There is a long list but these have the most inspiring personality due to their Knowledge, Love, Sincerety, Sacrifices towards Allah, Hazoor Pak (PBUH) & Islam…

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^ what is so inspiring about ibn nuwaira apart from being the unfortunate victim of khalid b walid ?

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The inspiring is that He Didn't bowed against false believes and against those who didn't know a bit about Islam and were the so called Masters of Islam and was slaughtered along with his tribe with brutality and cruelty...............

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^ Kindly edit your post. The statement you wrote is contradictory. We (sunnis) respect Hazrat Khalid bin Waleed (r.a) as much as we respect Hazrat Ali (r.a)

I am sorry to say that if you don't edit your post, I am going to report it to the moderators.

Forgive me if you were offended by my words, but I am seriously offended by your use of the word "rape" instead of "marriage".

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Please reffer to the rules of Marriage and Idah in Islam. Khalid bin Waleed spent a lot of time with Prophet (s). I fail to understand why he didnt abide the islamic rules before he took Malik's mourning widow in his so called "Nikah".

Prophet of Allah used to stand up whenever his daughter enters the room. But on an occasion he said that he would not even spare his own daughter if she is to be found guilty of steeling. This tells us that a crime is crime and a transgressor must be considered as a criminal regardless of thier status.

Sadly we claim that we love and follow the Prophet (s) but in the blind love of sahaba we ignore every rule of his (s)sharia when it comes to his companions.

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then i assume u also respect abdullah b umar [ra] and salim mawla abi hudhayfa[ra], abu katada[ra] , umar b khattab [ra] who protested against khalid's behavior ?

unfortunately ur "respect" seem to be motivated simply for sectarian reasons which is the enemy of my enemy is my friend

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I agree thats a very sad development but it has to be put into perspective
on one hand we have people for whom the worst of creation are the companions on the other hand are people who have glorified them as superhumans

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I wonder if you respoct Rapers.... If you have so much love of Khalid bin Waleed in your heart then please go back to any history book and check that out for Ibn e Nuwaira's incident....

I dont know any Islamic Law where marriage is allowed on the same night when a women becomes widow..... If in Sunni Fiqh it is allowed then I say Goodbye to such Fiqh from distance as it is totally against the Quran and Sunnah..... In Islamic Law a women should stay in Iddat for a specified time but Khalid bin Waleed totally apposed this law and make laugh of it....

For telling the truth if you wanna moderators to put check on me then you are allowed... But you can not deny this truth...

PS: If you havent study Islamic History then i may post refferences here for your view.....

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If they did so then i respect them and feel honour for them provided that they didnt protested on the basis of personal liking and disliking.....

Isnt that the fact "The Friends of Allah are friends of us because fried of friend is our friend.."
Isnt the fact that "The Enemies of Allah are our enemies and Enimies of friends are our enemies...
Isnt the fact that "The friends of Allah's Enemy are our enemy"
Isnt the fact taht "The Enemy of Allah's Enemy are our friends...

And it is also a fact that Zalim's are Enemies of Allah Almighty and Muzloom are friends of Allah.... So if you call it Sectarian reason i do accept it.....

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^ while u doubt that the companions who protested khalids action did it with the best of intentions , u are expecting us to believe that ur intentions are the best ...how convenient !

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brother submission to peace, the moral of the story is both malik b nuwaira and khalid b walid were sahabis i.e both had meet the prophet [pbuh] and accepted islam ibn hajar's defination most widely accepted] so why shud we show favouritism to one over the other ? esp. when such high ranking sahaba which i mentioned] protested over his execution a detail conventiently overlooked by some people]

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Kindly edit out your words because you have breached the article 3 of Religion forum policies that states that any such language used against the companion of the prophet:saw2: is not allowed at all.

Please give reference or narate the whole story including year of occurance. I believe most of us are unaware of this incident, and your vague refernce is not helping at all.

AQ- I will decide about appropriate action once i see the evidence or lack thereof.

Meanwhile, We do not believe sahaba's at par with angels. The are prone to mistake, misjudgements and sins. Few notable precedents: the furry and rage by some sahaba's at the time of Sulah Hudaibia to the extent of questioning wisdom of holy prophet (pbuh) and highly objectionable uttarance of Harat Umar (ra) just few days before the demise of holy prophet (pbuh) when he asked for paper and pen to write his will. Both incident duly recoded in hadees books.

Submission to peace - If you want this particular discussion out of your thread, then let me know.

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With all due respect, Code Saahab, I disagree and my point is the use of word which goes against the policy of the forum. It's a dregatory and insulting attitude in my views and, therefore, I have shown my dissapproval.

Ya need to see evidence ... then ya will decide ?

may i ask whtz ur authority to decide whether the given evidence is true or fib ....

Do ya have a Islamic research background ?

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^ I think there is no dispute over the inceident , its the interpretation which is different on each side ....infact this incident can be found in khalid b walids biography which was written by a pakistani general
however he potrays it as if those who spoke against khalid were jealous of him , which goes against common sense how can abu katada [ra] , salim mawla [ra] veterans of badr and uhad be jealous of khalid a later convert?
and as abu bakr[ra] dealt with the matter lightly , needless to say this gave it a lot of propoganda value for 12ers in recent times, but when umar [ra] dismissed khalid later on 12ers ascribe it mainly to "personal reasons"
To deny that khalid b walid twisted the rules of islam at times to settle old scores is to say that such senior sahaba were liars and even the Prophet [pbuh] testified to it when khalid did somthing similar in his time and plz refer to what abdur rehman b auf [ra] said at that time about khalid

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Das Reich - If you have any reference from a respectable source then please quote it here. Otherwise, anything written by a Pakistani general is not an authority on Islamic history.

If it is aserted that these are false alegation and not supported by respectable source. Or if the poster does not provide reference then it will be removed, most certainly

Within the realm of this forum, I am assigned to look into these matters and more than anything else, use common sense to decide :slight_smile:

Be patient :flower1:

understood. The point is the use of word “Rape” for a companion of prophet:saw2: while the article 3 of Religion forum policies states:

specifically any posts containing defamation of, insults, ridicule or making a mockery of:

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  • The Companions or disciples of any of the Messengers
  • Any other religious practices, personalities, places, items etc which are not stated in the above points,** and are deemed sensitive by other members** or the moderators.

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bhaijan refer to book "sword of allah" by Gen. A .I akram its not avalible online as far as I know ....it has footnotes with specific refs if i recall correctly this incident was ref from baladhuri and tabari [both of which are very respectable historical sources ]

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I do have points on it if you require them then i will place these points there for your view…

I am sorry if it hurts you but plz help me and tell me any alternative word which i may use to narrate the incident…