salam
Can anyone tell me some books or site where i can learn about the un-holy act of doing khattams? Anyone? as far as i know its not in hadity or quran to do such things. but some people do make up the things and present them as hadith..which is totaly wrong.
Jaawan
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My mum's done khaattams for years.
But, recently people have been saying that'ts wrong, I have no idea why though.
You are no help farhana jee... ;)
Jaawan
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so-reee :)
Ok, our family and extendeed family have done them for years.
But recently, half of the clan have become pro-Islam and have decided that they are indeed not allowed.
One particular member, I shan't mention as there are spies everywhere, uses the excues/reason that the Quran does not mention snything about them, (right or wrong). Also, the Hadith(s) do not say anything about them either. She has come to the conclusion that because they are not mentioned in either of these sources then they in fact should not happen.
But, the bottom line is that, I don't think it says anywhere that they should take place, but it also doesn't say that they shouldn't take place.
Whoops.......duplicate post
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[This message has been edited by farhana (edited April 17, 2000).]
I'm not sure what could be wrong with them. I don't think that people are doing anything wrong when they are meeting, and if they are, then they should stop doing that particular thing. But I don't think there is anything wrong with khattams themselves. What could be wrong we gathering and reading Quran, etc., etc. The Quran does not mention many things that people do every day. That does not make them wrong.
Zara
Some one very shy sent me mail regarding this post...well that person knows who that is...i would like you to post that verse here and lets see what other folks make the interruptation out of that...
To me me that verse that you mailed me suggests that you read quran as many times you like..but not on particular occasions such as on death of a person or on 11th of a month...that sort of things...go around peoples houses and give them some part of quran to read..that is not in hadith or quran my friend...
you can read quran as many times you like....read it 25/8 no problem but when you imply that act to someone who is dead and help them(the persons who are dead) that is not mentioned in hadith or quran...its a innovation in islam to do something on the belief thats its a good thing and actually your doing something very wrong.
I know some of you will present some verses and hadiths...(made up or not) but this is the time to see what is right and wrong. its ok to be wrong but its not ok to be wrong and preach that...
Farhana jee...what clan do you belong to? the ones that do khattams or the ones that do not?
Jaawan
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I dont see anything wrong with it either.
It is wrong however to say that Khattam is farz or part of hadith etc....or they make it part of the islamic belief (Eg. after someone passes away, khattam is commonly done among Pakistanis)
Generally speaking, it isn't wrong to recite Quran, or pray extra nafil in namaaz in addition to the farz. It is sawab actually.
Just dont make it mandatory or a required practice within islam.
Salaam
yeah exactly.
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We do them.
Mum says they bring barakat (??) in to the house.
The arguments I've heard against them are that the people you invite only read because they have to and not because they want to. That does make some sense. But the gunnah is on the head of the person who's not reading properly and not you as an individual right??
Whenever Mum's going through a bad patch or something, she'll get some people over and they'll read Surah Yasin, Tanjeena or the Quran. If it makes her feel good, and in a way reaffirms her faith, then what's wrong with it?
As mentioned by somebody, the Quran does not mention many day-to-day activities, so what do you do? I guess you should do what you think is right, i.e. your own interpretation and definitely not cricise others in what they do. At the end of the day, we are all trying to score brownie points for the after-life, where the only judge of what's right or wrong is the person upstairs and not me or you.
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Khattamm.. it is something only practiced in INDIA/ PAKISTAN/ BANGLADESH.. etc..
In all the other Muslim countires.. people don’t even know what it is.. They never do Khattamm’s and stuff like that..
I know a lot of Arab people.. they never do this.. and Turkish.. Indonesian.. and so on.. … …
It’s something onlt practiced.. in our countries.. so.. I hope you get my point..
Gizzy
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Originally posted by farhana:
Whenever Mum's going through a bad patch or something, she'll get some people over and they'll read Surah Yasin, Tanjeena or the Quran. If it makes her feel good, and in a way reaffirms her faith, then what's wrong with it?
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Yes...but thats whats 'wrong', or perhaps, incorrect, I should say, with the practice. There is no harm in reading the Quran..it can only help. Its the idea behind it that has repercussions. As u said above, ur mum goes through a bad patch, and she arranges for people to read the Quran. Fair enough...and thats the reason most of the people do conduct these khattams. But on the flip side, ever heard of anyone arranging for Quran Khwani when something good happened to them, or when they were going through a 'good' patch? Thats why its a disliked practice, cause it basically motivates us to remember Allah SWT only in the bad times. When good times hit, we are out partying, or in partying, and when bad times hit, we are all over the Quran. Thats an unfair and dare i say, hypocritical practice, no offence to anyone.
How can you say what's right or wrong?? With things like these, there is no correct way, it's what you feel is right.
Each one of us have different ways of dealing with sadness and happiness.
If a person wants to have a khattam, there's nothing wrong with that. Just because it's something that you don't practice, does that make it wrong? Does it say in the Quran, "do not do khattams"?
Isn't it better to remember Allah in any way that you can, rather than never.
You make it sound like, my mother only remembers her faith we she's down, (maybe that's my fault for presenting you with an incorrect interpretation). Both my parents read namaz 5 times a day and read the Quran whenver they can.
I don't class them as hypocrites. In my opinion a hypocrite is someone who prays regularly during ramzan, and not during the remainig 11 months, which is what most of us do..........
Maintaining a balance in one's attitude is very important when it comes to religion. If u tilt too much to one side, ur going to get biased. I never said reading Quran was wrong. I said that reading it only in bad times was not fair.
It doesnt say in the Quran that we are not supposed to do khatams, but thats a twisted way of looking at it. The Quran doesnt specifially prohibit from a lot of things for that matter. There are a lot of practices that started after Quran was revealed, and those practices dont remotely resemble the teachings of Islam. But that doesnt mean that just cause there is no mention of those practices in the Quran, we cant judge them as right or wrong.
Im sure ur parents are submissive to Allah SWT all the time, but thats not whats under discussion here. Its just a matter of uniformity in ones attitude towards religion, something we fail at frequently. Its a common practice for us to pray vigorously when in hard times, and to forget about him when in good times. Its not specific to anyone. Its a general attitude that we have.
What da hell..farhana ask your mama..where in HADITH and QURAN does it say that we can do such things?
Jaawan
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Good to see you back Akif.
Beside Khattam e Quran, there are lot of other bidaa't in our society, like Chehlum (40th day), death anniversary, celebrating birthday... and the list goes on.
sure,
but where does it say that you can't do them????
You guys are making it out that my mother turns religous when she has a problem only. As pointed out before this is not the case. She is not a hypocrite.
Not one of us live our lives according to Quran and Hadith, therefore we are in no position to judge others for what they do.
Now wait just one minute! Are bulletin boards in Quran and Hadith? If not, you’d better stop using them.
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Zara