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Farhana..u might have misread some quotes..at least mine. Your mother is not a hypocrite..at least thats not what i meant.
Your mother wasnt under discussion anyway. I just gave the reason as to why its a forbidden/ disliked practice. Whether its right or not is Allahs SWT decision. He looks at our intentions, and Im positive ur mothers intentions are always pure. Noone is in a position to decide whats right or wrong. Most of the practices currently used in Islam are manufactured....and while that doesnt automatically make them wrong, it does make them doubtful, since they havent been directly authorized by Allah SWT or Prophet SAW. Noone is here to judge.

Often it happens that a relative or a friend will call us only when he/she needs a favor. And we call such people matlabi. I believe thats the concept behind the dislike of khattams as well.

[This message has been edited by Akif (edited April 30, 2000).]

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Farhana mitti pao
i can name arguments here that are totally related to this political party in pakistan
after its origin nothing is the same
Khudahafiz is not good Allah hafiz is good
like dah its the same thing one has Allah in mind wether khuda hafiz or Allah hafiz
then there is Salaam in Milaads is not good .. why not ?

the more ppl divide in numerous 'so called religious groups' the more such questions will rise just follow your heart there is nothing wrong in Khatams
ppl do Khatams if they are happy or sad
its just a way of thanking God

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Anchal bibi can you find KHUDA from 99 names of Allah SWT. If yes then you should continue saying Khuda Hafiz.

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Mansoor the whole idea is mentioning God
if when i think Khuda or say Khuda i mean God then i think there is nothing wrong in saying Khudhafiz

I am sick and tired of Islam
i am gonna convert to my made Religion
I am going to become Akbar 2
Islam teaches nothing but how to fight with other ppl, kill the innocent, Men can use all the filthy language with women and get away with it but if women reply in the same manner she is stamped a slut

God o God I hate this religon

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Reference to posting replies to the above post i am being Sarcastic

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Reference to posting replies to the above post i am being Sarcastic

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Aanchal, chill out girl.

Surprisingly, we posted about 25 posts, without once referring what Quran or Hadith says about this or similar matters. Can I put my two cents now?

Lets not confuse manners and rituals. Khuda Hafiz and Khattams have nothing to do with each other. Khuda hafiz is a Persian phrase (if I know it right) and was borrowed by people of sub continent in good faith. Its just like people from Punjab often says Rub Rakkha. On the other hand, Khattams are considered to be a ritual. As someone mentioned that its something which is practiced only in the sub-continent. Now to the actual matter.

Prophet (PBUH) said " "Whoever does anything that is not part of this matter of ours (i.e., Islam), will have it rejected."

Also in Quran, Allah says "
"O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger, and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allaah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination." [al-Nisaa' 4:59]

The best bet for us is to refer to Allah and his Messenger to see whether our act which represents Islam in any way is recommended or practiced by those whom we follow. If not then there is no need for that as we don't know whether it will lead us to safety or destruction. Prophet (PBUH) once said that "My sunnah is the safest passage for you", means that if you want to practice Islam in the safest way, just do it the way Prophet did and nothing more.

Let me quote one more Aya' and finish my post.
"... This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion..." [al-Maa'idah 5:3]

According to many scholars, this means that innovating things in Islam could be interpreted as meaning that Allaah did not complete the religion for this ummah, that the Messenger (PBUH) failed to convey to this ummah all that they should do, until those people came along later and innovated in the religion things that Allaah had not permitted, claiming that these were things that would bring them closer to Allaah.

Guys, I am not a scholar and please pray for my forgiveness by Allah if I said something wrong or misinterprated something.

Enough Said

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The Prophet called the Wahabis - the biggest FITNA and, major Sunni sect has labelled them as "KAFIR" and "DEFILER" of Islam; yet, today - these defilers are the leaders of Sunni Islam trying to MOULD Islam in their version that was developed in the 18th century.

The Wahabis have problems with khattams, tawassul,etc, etc the practices that have been very prominent in Islamic civilization.
Also, they have trouble with the word 'KHUDA' because its orign is Persian; yeah- they have trouble with Shias, Secularists, Modernists, etc.

So, to the intelligent people on this Board:
Chase the Wahabis out of town!
Chase the Defiler of Islam - Jawaan out of town!

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Okay, Jawaan, here is your test! Can you keep cool, or are you going to lose your head! I say, keep your self-control and don't react to being provoked! Zara

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Well zara jee you dont tell and test you know...now i ll have to keep in control LOL anyways Dont worry i rarly reply to this post so i dont have nothing to say..people are to ignorent to understand what brother akif has been saying all along...they cant understand a simple point...read his posts again you ll know what im talking about...anyways sub nain apney apney gaabar main jana hia...we all should know that CREATING new things in islam is not a GOOD thing its a MAJOR sin...it does not matter if they are mentioned in quran and hadith or not...CREATING NEW THINGS IS IN QURAN AND HADITH AND WE KNOW ITS A SIN....so example

If there was nothing about killing an innocent person in quran or hadith would you go ahead and just kill anyone you like..would that be GOOD...would you consider that a GOOD deed?

Jaawan

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Good job, Jawaan! :) Zara

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Dear Abdulmalick Sahib,

Salaam, you are totally wrong to claim that Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) called Wahabis the biggest FITNA. Also this faction of Islam did not start in the eighteent century, it was there all along. This is what Wahabbi's say, Take your guidance from Quran, if you cannot understand Quran, look for a Hadith to explain the matter. There is nothing wrong in believing this and it certainly does not make you a Kafir. So my friend cool down and try to understand the other side before making such big statements.

Now regarding the matter at hand, Khattamas, can you prove by quoting Quran or Hadith that by gtetting together after somebody's death or just chossing a random day to get together and reading quran is an Islamic tradition. If it was such a big islamic tradition, i am sure we will find it in Saudi Arabia, may be neighboring Middle east countries. Islam started and took its roots from those countries, did;nt it ? Yet we do not find any such behavior in their society. You should read quran every day my friend, and Khattma's though a good gesture, and the person organizing it might have good intentions, but is still a "Biddit"(meaning cannot be proved by Quran or Hadith).

Untill next time peace & regards,

Kaleem :)

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Dear Jawan.
W salaam.
"KHATAM" means finsih something right.
All muslim beleif that to have our problem solve or have happy life we are dependent on ALLAH(SWT) by our good acts.
Our elders like to whom we call old were more strong beliver then we are now. To end there problem and have forgiveness from allah they use to do "Khatam of quran" by calling there friends and family in there houses. To have finsih quran has million of sawab if accepted by Allah. Also feeding a muslim is great sawab to. Also invit muslim to your house is good deed too. But all reading quran and asking good for help is best deed and it finishes(KHAHTAM) many problem if accepted by Allah.
I hope now you got the point why it was started and why our parents still have KHATAM of QURAN.
It sure has written in quran that It is Sawab to read quran and there are many hadiths saying that it is grat sawab to read quran.
I hope you know now that it is not the un holy deed.
TLC.
Allah Hafiz.
Farhina.

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Farhina..yaar...i totally understand your point its ALL understood...YOU people do it because YOU THINK its a saawaab...your ancestors did it because they THOUGHT it was soppose to give sawab because what they were doing is just reading the quran and feeding other muslims right? now I DONT see anything wrong with that...but you see Holding khatams on speacial occasions such as death or some other festivals that happen in pakistan people do it on speacial occasion and asign the chapters to people who willread the quran...some times people go house to house giving out verses of quran to be read...NOW those acts WERE NEVER done by mohammad or his companions...if something in quran is not prohibited it does NOT mean you can do it on the sake of MAYBE its a good thing when its NOT...its a innovation in islam..it was created in islam and islam has no place for it...and people who do it will go to hell...because its Unislamic to do even good deeds which prophet and allah has NOT asked as to do...
Now you can say its not in quran or hadith its all good to do it...let me ask you this again i already did maybe you didnt read it...

If there was nothing in islam about having sex before marriage or killing a innocent person...would you people go on and have sex before marriage and kill innocent people just because it does not say in islam about those issues? THINK about it.

Jaawan

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