Saved sect is not restrcited to a certain country or certain group.
It includes people who follow the the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and understands it correctly in accordance with the understanding of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) and those who follow them in truth.
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
It is reported by Hazrat Abullah Ibn Umar (ra) that the Holy Prophet (saw) said: “Such a time, as passed over the Israelites, will surely come for my ummah also, even as the sole of a shoe is like that of the other; so much so that if anyone from amongst the Israelites had flagrantly committed incest with his mother, amongst my ummah too there will be such a man who will do this work. No doubt the Israelites were divided into 72 sects and my ummah will be divided into 73 sects all of which, save one will go to Hell ." The Companions asked: "0 Apostle of Allah! Which is the sect that will go to Paradise"? He said: "That one which stuck to the path on which I and my Companions are." - al-Tirmidhi vol. 2, pg. 89
: "0 Apostle of Allah! Which is the sect that will go to Paradise"? He said: "That one which stuck to the path on which I and my Companions are." - al-Tirmidhi vol. 2, pg. 89
This is the answer to all your questions.
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So before you were wrong while giving the interpretation of the Hadith you posted at the begining of this thread with ummatul-ijaabah ummatud-da'wah;
No doubt the same time, as it passed over the Israelites, came to this Ummah also, even as the sole of a shoe is like that of the other.
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
Saved sect is not restrcited to a certain country or certain group.
It includes people who follow the the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and understands it correctly in accordance with the understanding of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) and those who follow them in truth.
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Are they (people of saved-sect) united and have some kind of communication link between them?; like Sahaabha(RA).
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*Originally posted by inuit: *
Bro Ibn Sadique what is your view on this? this think this is correct. ?
BTW how many are there; the true Ahl-us-Sunnah (Ashaab-ul-hadeeth) in this world?
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You are in for a big surprise!
There are many other Complimentary names for Ahlul Sunnah wal Jama'a. I'll list them below.
Ahl Al Sunnah Wal Jama'ah
The people of Sunnah (of the Prophet (saw)) and Congregation
*Al Taa'ifah Al Mansoorah *
The Victorious Group
*Al Taa'ifah Al Zhaahirah *
The Dominating Sect
*Ahl Al Quroun Al Faadhilah *
People of the Best Century
*Ashaab Al Sunnah wal Hadith *
People of Sunnah and Hadith
*Al Salaf Al Salih *
The Pious Predecessors
*Al Firqah Al Naajiyah *
The Saviour Sect
*Ahl Al Ittibaa' *
The People of Submission
*Al Jama'ah *
The Congregation (of Muslims)
*Al Ghurabaa *
The Strangers
*Ahl Al Athar *
People of Narration
*Jama'atul Muslimeen *
Congregation Muslims (under one Khalif)
*Ahl Al Ilm *
People of Knowledge
Ahlul – Hadeeth
the People of Hadeeth
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Bro Ibn Sadique what is your view on this? this think this is correct. ?
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Yes, This is correct. You are mistaking with School of Thought called by the same name Ahlul Hadeeth - those who don't follow any particular Imam nevertheless they have tremendous respect for them and take them as scholars of great repute.
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*Originally posted by inuit: *
So before you were wrong while giving the interpretation of the Hadith you posted at the begining of this thread with ummatul-ijaabah ummatud-da'wah;
No doubt the same time, as it passed over the Israelites, came to this Ummah also, even as the sole of a shoe is like that of the other.
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Intuit Baji
None of the info that I posted here is false.
Abb If you wanna make ur self happy by saying
Its false. This is Internet. Go ahead and have fun.
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*Originally posted by Ibn Sadique: *
You are in for a big surprise!
There are many other Complimentary names for Ahlul Sunnah wal Jama'a. I'll list them below.
Ahl Al Sunnah Wal Jama'ah
The people of Sunnah (of the Prophet (saw)) and Congregation
*Al Taa'ifah Al Mansoorah *
The Victorious Group
*Al Taa'ifah Al Zhaahirah *
The Dominating Sect
*Ahl Al Quroun Al Faadhilah *
People of the Best Century
*Ashaab Al Sunnah wal Hadith *
People of Sunnah and Hadith
*Al Salaf Al Salih *
The Pious Predecessors
*Al Firqah Al Naajiyah *
The Saviour Sect
*Ahl Al Ittibaa' *
The People of Submission
*Al Jama'ah *
The Congregation (of Muslims)
*Al Ghurabaa *
The Strangers
*Ahl Al Athar *
People of Narration
*Jama'atul Muslimeen *
Congregation Muslims (under one Khalif)
*Ahl Al Ilm *
People of Knowledge
Ahlul – Hadeeth
the People of Hadeeth
Yes, This is correct. You are mistaking with School of Thought called by the same name Ahlul Hadeeth - those who don't follow any particular Imam nevertheless they have tremendous respect for them and take them as scholars of great repute.
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Assalam Aleekum
Last lines plz explain karee.
Take Care
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*Originally posted by inuit: *
Are they (people of saved-sect) united and have some kind of communication link between them?; like Sahaabha(RA).
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Why not. Believe in Allah(SWT). Asking HIM AND HIM ALONE FOR HELP.
Extreme love for Sunnat Rasool(May Allah's peace and blessing be upon him). That's the link. No matter where we live. That's our common bond.
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
Intuit Baji
None of the info that I posted here is false.
Abb If you wanna make ur self happy by saying
Its false. This is Internet. Go ahead and have fun.
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Then please explain the terms ummatul-ijaabah ummatud-da'wah; in context of your 2nd post in this thread.
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
Why not. Believe in Allah(SWT). Asking HIM AND HIM ALONE FOR HELP.
Extreme love for Sunnat Rasool(May Allah's peace and blessing be upon him). That's the link. No matter where we live. That's our common bond.
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Since you are on right-path and saved-sect, the you must have a Leader/Imam(man) after Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF). Who is he?
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*Originally posted by inuit: *
Since you are on right-path and saved-sect, the you must have a Leader/Imam(man) after Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF). Who is he?
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You don't need to tell me that. I already know that.
Second part ke leye page 1 DUBARA read kare.
“I am leaving among you two things, which if you cling to, you will never go astray: The Book of Allah and my Sunnah. The two will not separate from each other, until you meet me at the Pool (Hawd).”
Related by al-Hâkim from Abu Hurairah,. Authenticated by al-Albânee in Takhreejul-Mishkât (no.186)
[2] The Saved-Sect returns to the Word of Allah and His Messenger whenever there is disagreement or difference of opinion among themselves, and those acting upon the saying of Allah - the Most High: “If you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if you do believe in Allah and the Last Day. This is best and most suitable for final determination.” [Soorah an-Nisâ’ (4): 59]
And Allah - the Most High - also says: “But no, by your Lord! They cannot have any faith until they make you (the Messenger) a judge in all disputes that they have between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decision, but accept them with full submission.” [Soorah an-Nisâ’ (4): 65]
[3] The Saved-Sect does not give precedence to the word of anyone over the Word of Allah and His Messenger, acting upon the saying of Allah:
“O you who believe! Do not put yourselves forward before Allah and His Messenger, and have Taqwâ of Allah. Indeed, Allah is all-Hearing, all-Seeing” [Soorah al-Hujarât (49): 1]
The Saved-Sect revive the Sunnah of Allah’s Messenger in their Ibâdah (worship), Sulook (behavior) and in their lives, thus becoming strangers amongst the people - as Allah’s Messenger (May the Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him) said:
“Islam started as something strange and will return as something strange (as it began), so Toobâ (a tree in Paradise) is for Strangers.”
Related by Imâm Muslim in his Saheeh (2/175-176) and Ibn Majah (2/320) from Abu Hurairah
In another narration: “..so Toobâ is for the Strangers. Those who correct and put right what the people have corrupted
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
Assalam Aleekum
Last lines plz explain karee.
Take Care
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Wa'Alaykum salaam
Ahlul – Hadeeth: the People of Hadeeth : This is used in general terms for Ahlul Sunnah wal Jama’a: Meaning that they 'use' authentic hadith to follow faith and not their whims and desires.
The term ** “Ahlul – Hadeeth “** is also used specifically for those who don’t follow any specific school of thought [Hanafi, Shafi, Maliki or Hanbali].
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*Originally posted by inuit: *
Since you are on right-path and saved-sect, the you must have a Leader/Imam(man) after Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF). Who is he?
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If you had read my first post in this thread, you would have got your answer. To save you time I am pasting it for you below:
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*Originally posted by Ibn Sadique: *
The Word of Allah (swt)! - The Quran!
Following are some of the few ayahs which answer your query.
The Qur’ân is the Book of guidance sure, without doubt to those who fear Allah I (2:2).
It is the Book that makes things clear, a Guide and Glad Tidings for the Believers (27:1-2).
“For We had certainly sent unto them a Book based on knowledge, which We explained in detail a guide and a mercy to all who believe." (7:52)
“ . . . We have sent down to you the Book (the Qur'an) explaining all things, a guide, a mercy, and glad tidings to Muslims.” (16:89)
The Quran also tells us 'how' to follow it.
Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. - [33:21]
We sent not and Apostle but to be obeyed in accordance with the Will of Allah [Qur'an 4:64]
Say: I am no bringer of new-fangled doctrine . . . I follow but that which is revealed to me. [56:9]
Obey Allah and obey the Apostle. [5: 95]
Obey Allah and obey the Apostle and those charged with authority among you. [4: 59]
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*Originally posted by inuit:*then you must have a Leader/Imam(man) after Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF). Who is he?
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
Second part ke leye page 1 DUBARA read kare.
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i could not find any name there, only i found myself, yourself, Ibn Sadique & Sa'ad1. I cant decide who he is? could you please help me in it, thanks,
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
“I am leaving among you two things, which if you cling to, you will never go astray: The Book of Allah and my Sunnah. The two will not separate from each other, until you meet me at the Pool (Hawd).”
Related by al-Hâkim from Abu Hurairah,. Authenticated by al-Albânee in Takhreejul-Mishkât (no.186)
/QUOTE You forgot this hadith ““I am leaving among you two things, which if you cling to, you will never go astray: The Book of Allah and my Ahle Baith(AS). The two will not separate from each other, until you meet me at the Pool”
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
[2] The Saved-Sect returns to the Word of Allah and His Messenger whenever there is disagreement or difference of opinion among themselves, and those acting upon the saying of Allah - the Most High: “If you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if you do believe in Allah and the Last Day. This is best and most suitable for final determination.” [Soorah an-Nisâ’ (4): 59]
/QUOTE If this was the thing, there was a dispute among Muslims why did Ahle Sunnah forgot the saying of the Messenger of Allah as per above Ayat. The saved-sect which is Shia accepted the saying of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and accepted Imam Ali(AS) as their Imam(AS).
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
And Allah - the Most High - also says: “But no, by your Lord! They cannot have any faith until they make you (the Messenger) a judge in all disputes that they have between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decision, but accept them with full submission.” [Soorah an-Nisâ’ (4): 65]
/QUOTE This what I am asking; why did people forget the saying of Prophet Muhammad and started making their own decisions, against the decision and sayings of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
[3] The Saved-Sect does not give precedence to the word of anyone over the Word of Allah and His Messenger, acting upon the saying of Allah:
“O you who believe! Do not put yourselves forward before Allah and His Messenger, and have Taqwâ of Allah. Indeed, Allah is all-Hearing, all-Seeing” [Soorah al-Hujarât (49): 1]
/QUOTE This is very right, The saved-sect (Shia) never gave precedence to anybody in accepting the Khalafat o Imamat of Imams of Ahle bait (AS) over the words of Allah and his Messenger.
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*Originally posted by Ibn Sadique: *
If you had read my first post in this thread, you would have got your answer. To save you time I am pasting it for you below:
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How does Quran helps us to resolve the issue of Khalafat o Imamat? Is there anything in the Ayat you posted in your post above. or you are not giving importance to this issue at all.
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*Originally posted by inuit: *
(1) You forgot this hadith ““I am leaving among you two things, which if you cling to, you will never go astray: The Book of Allah and my Ahle Baith(AS). The two will not separate from each other, until you meet me at the Pool”
(2) If this was the thing, there was a dispute among Muslims why did Ahle Sunnah forgot the saying of the Messenger of Allah as per above Ayat. The saved-sect which is Shia accepted the saying of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and accepted Imam Ali(AS) as their Imam(AS).
(3) This what I am asking; why did people forget the saying of Prophet Muhammad and started making their own decisions, against the decision and sayings of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)
(4) This is very right, The saved-sect (Shia) never gave precedence to anybody in accepting the Khalafat o Imamat of Imams of Ahle bait (AS) over the words of Allah and his Messenger.
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I don't consider this sect as Muslim b/c they belief
that Imams horse is sacred and Its offspring are still alive and arabic.
But unfortunately, the people who belief in such b_ _ _ _ _ _ t_
are not Arabic but are Iranians and Pakistanis.
Care to explain that to me.
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*Originally posted by Ibn Sadique: *
Wa'Alaykum salaam
Ahlul – Hadeeth: the People of Hadeeth : This is used in general terms for Ahlul Sunnah wal Jama’a: Meaning that they 'use' authentic hadith to follow faith and not their whims and desires.
The term ** “Ahlul – Hadeeth “** is also used specifically for those who don’t follow any specific school of thought [Hanafi, Shafi, Maliki or Hanbali].
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Assalam Aleekum
So aren't they the same. Both following Hadith and authentic reports.
And If a Muslim follow authentic hadith than he or she cannot be following just one Imam.
take care
Jazakallah inuit, keep up the good work.
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
I don't consider this sect as Muslim b/c they belief
that Imams horse is sacred and Its offspring are still alive and arabic.
But unfortunately, the people who belief in such b_ _ _ _ _ _ t_
are not Arabic but are Iranians and Pakistanis.
Care to explain that to me.
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what a lame argument! Instead of running away and mocking someone's belief, which I am sure you dont even know, why not try your little brain to answer the questions inuit asked you.
btw, just for your surprise, last night I met a GERMEN scholar, who was a christian converted to sunni islam and then converted to shiaism for searching the saved sect. He now (Masha-Allah) gives lectures in arabic and teaches arab kids and adults how to read quran.
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*Originally posted by zer01: *
Jazakallah inuit, keep up the good work.
what a lame argument! Instead of running away and mocking someone's belief, which I am sure you dont even know, why not try your little brain to answer the questions inuit asked you.
btw, just for your surprise, last night I met a GERMEN scholar, who was a christian converted to sunni islam and then converted to shiaism for searching the saved sect. He now (Masha-Allah) gives lectures in arabic and teaches arab kids and adults how to read quran.
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Ok. I do Pillow now. Oh, wait a minute. "Takiya" is your concept.
Our concepts are open for discussion as always. During the last
1400 years We Muslims have never buried our faith for any reason.
Unlike some people who believe fairy tales.
Our beliefs are right in front of you. And Its not part of our faith
to hide ourselves in rooms and curse others AS A RELIGIOUS practice.
This topic started as keeping away from sects and even those sects never included your cult.
Than we moved to Saved Sect and I think Siddique Bhi And I have
pointed out towards this SAVED group of people. Abb ismee AQLMUND laugo ke leye signs hee. Who ever can understand.
Take Care
and don't mess with me, Warna tu Tsunami me doob kaar margegaa.