Keep Away From Sects

Ibn_Sadique · December 28, 2004, 6:14pm

Dear inuit,

There were no Sunnis and Shias at the time of Messenger of Allah (upon him be peace and blessings) - They all followed the Messenger of Allah (Upon him be peace and blessings) in detail [His Sunnah].

The Companions of Allah’s Messenger were his students and he taught them the purest form of Islam and they propagated this to their students and so on.

Reported on the authority of `Umran Ibn Husain (ra), that he said: "Allah's Messenger (Upon him be peace and blessings) said:

*"The best of my Ummah is my generation, then those who follow them, then those who follow them." `Umran (ra) said: "I don't know if he mentioned two generations after his, or three." "Then after you," continued the Prophet , "there will come a generation who will testify without being called upon to do so and they will be treacherous and untrustworthy. They will swear oaths, but they will not fulfill them and obesity will be seen in them." * - (Narrated by Muslim)

The Messenger of Allah (Upon him be peace and blessings) informs us in this Hadith that the best of this community of Muslims are his Companions (May Allah be pleased with them all) and the two or three generations who succeeded them due to their adherence to Islam and their correct beliefs and practices and their freedom from hypocrisy, deviation and innovation. History is proof that later generations ‘imported’ innovations into their practice of Islam.

Imam Muslim relates in his Sahih that God’s Messenger (upon him be peace and blessings) declared: *“The stars are means of security for the heaven, [that is, the heaven is maintained because of the delicate order among the stars]. When the stars are scattered [when that order collapses], what was promised for the heaven befalls it *. I am the means of security for my Companions [my Companions will continue to live in peace and security as long as I am alive]. When I leave the world, what was promised for my Companions will befall them. My Companions are means of security for my nation (Ummah). When my Companions leave the world, what was promised for my Ummah will befall them” [they will be exposed to many misfortunes and calamities]. * - – Sahih Muslim, “Fada’il al-Sahaba,” 207

To follow uncorrupted form of Islam we have to follow Islam as taught by Allah's Messenger (Upon him be peace and blessings) to his Companions and the way they understood and practiced it.

Edit: Just to confirm that: They all followed the Messenger of Allah (Upon him be peace and blessings) in detail [His Sunnah].

Below Imam Ali (ra), himself is confirming that there was not an iota of difference in faith between him and his 'opponents'.

---The thing began in this way: We and the Syrians were facing each other while *we had common faith in one Allah, in the same Prophet (s) and on the same principles and canons of religion. So far as faith in Allah and the Holy Prophet (s) was concerned we never wanted them (the Syrians) to believe in anything over and above or other than what they were believing in and they did not want us to change our faith. Both of us were united on these principles. * The point of contention between us was the question of the murder of Uthman. It had created the split. They wanted to lay the murder at my door while I am actually innocent of it................." Nahjul Balagha Letter 58*

inuit · December 28, 2004, 8:23pm

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*Originally posted by Ibn Sadique: *
Dear inuit,

There were no Sunnis and Shias at the time of Messenger of Allah (upon him be peace and blessings) - They all followed the Messenger of Allah (Upon him be peace and blessings) in detail [His Sunnah].

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Prophet(PBUH&HF) said "THERE WILL BE" this is the point we are discussing. Not the paragraphs you wrote in your last post.

Ibn_Sadique · December 29, 2004, 12:35am

^ True. The Prophet (upon him be peace and blessings) was taking about the future, saying that his Ummah will be split into 73 groups (sects) and only one from them will be in Heaven.

One of the tasks of the Prophet (upon him be peace and blessings) is of a Warner. I am quoting a few ayahs from the Quran:

And We have not sent you but to all the men as a bearer of good news and as a Warner, but most men do not know. [34:28]

Say: I am not the first of the messengers, and I do not know what will be done with me or with you: I do not follow anything but that which is revealed to me, and I am nothing but a plain warner. [46:9]

Surely We have sent you as a witness and as a bearer of good news and as a warner; That you may believe in Allah and His Messenger and may aid him and revere him; and (that) you may declare His glory, morning and evening. [48:8 - 9]

So he has *warned * his Ummah that the time will come when the Ummah will split into 73 sects and only one will go to heaven [due to purity of their faith – following Islam as he had set example to be followed].

Surely, since the Prophet (upon him be peace and blessings) was sent as a mercy for the worlds [We sent you not except as a mercy for the worlds. (Al-Anbiya’ 21:107)], he was duty bound to inform his Ummah the right path of the group (sect) that will be saved and warn them not to follow the people of Innovations and desires [Ahlul Bidda].

And that is exactly what I had posted in my previous post [but maybe it is not to your liking].

The Prophet (upon him be peace and blessings) had also predicted that the innovations desires will creep into religion after the third generation.

Letter 58 of Imam Al (ra) quoted by me in the previous post from the Nahjul Balagha shows that there were no 'religious' differences between Imam Ali (ra) and his opponents but political.

Innovations and Pollution came into religion later (after the third generation - Just as the Prophet had forewarned).

inuit · December 29, 2004, 2:06am

^^
you could not get me. to understand ! please read the thread again. thanks

Ibn_Sadique · December 29, 2004, 2:38am

^^ Please try re-wording it. Maybe then I will get you better.

EkSamosa · December 29, 2004, 1:52pm

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*Originally posted by bao bihari: *

BAji nahin BAJA....:-)
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BAND BAJA!

inuit · December 29, 2004, 11:33pm

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*Originally posted by Ibn Sadique: *
^^ Please try re-wording it. Maybe then I will get you better.
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(1) This thread started with a nice subject line of "Keep Away From Sects" by rehman1. He quoted a Hadith in which the Holy Prophet (PBUH&HF) warned about evils and informed about good things in future which will come after each other. The narrator asked The Holy Prophet (PBUH&HF) that what should he do in case of evils; Prophet(PBUH&HF) ordered him to stay attach to the group of Muslims and their Chief otherwise keep away from all those different sects, even if he had to bite (i.e. eat) the root of a tree, till he meet Allah while he remain in that state.

(2) We all are very well informed about the Beliefs, Practices and characteristics of both Shia and Sunni Sects. I did not put any question about it, neither its my concern, except two questions based on that Hadith.

(a) Importance of Leadership(Imamat) - The hadith tells us stay attach to the group of Muslims and their Chief
(b) Keep Away From Sects. - The hadith tells us that if you cant do the what is mentioned above then keep away from all those different sects

So there was not the requirement of explaining the whole lots of things and characteristics Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah. The necessity was to keep the discussion short and precise.

(3) However rehman1's 2nd post gave another thought, when he talked about ummatul-ijaabah and ummatud-da'wah. The interpretation he gave shows that ummatud-da'wah will be divided it 72 sects but not the ummatul-ijaabah. ummatul-ijaabah is "the saved sect". Despite the fact, we dont know what is the background of this interpretation but it looks nicer and its intension is to bring all sects with-in islam closer to each other.

(4) Then Sa'ad1 joined the discussion with a diminishing thought, without caring the term "ummatul-ijaabah" he only used the term "saved sect", described its characteristics and then he assiciated it with only Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah. However in rehman1's post the term "ummatul-ijaabah" and he used it as saved-sect for all school of thoughts with-in islam. Why is it ike that? This is my question.

Leave the first question; I only want to know that if as per the interpretation of Rehman1 ummatul-ijaabah contains all sects (Shia, Sunni, Wahabi etc etc) then why praising only Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah as a saved-sect. Does this mean Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah is only the saved one? OR other Islamic sects are not included in ummatul-ijaabah. ???

Please help me understand

thanks

Ibn_Sadique · December 30, 2004, 3:13pm

I thank you for ’explaining’ yourself better and I understand where you are ‘coming from’.

What I have stated in my earlier post is very appropriate but then I don’t expect you to agree with me at all. It’s natural. Isn’t it?

I’ll try to address points raised by you separately in each post so that they don’t get lumbered up.

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*Originally posted by inuit: *

(1) This thread started with a nice subject line of "Keep Away From Sects" by rehman1. He quoted a Hadith in which the Holy Prophet (PBUH&HF) warned about evils and informed about good things in future which will come after each other. The narrator asked The Holy Prophet (PBUH&HF) that what should he do in case of evils; Prophet(PBUH&HF) ordered him to stay attach to the group of Muslims and their Chief otherwise keep away from all those different sects, even if he had to bite (i.e. eat) the root of a tree, till he meet Allah while he remain in that state.

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Yes, it’ true that Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) did warn his Ummah to keep away from ‘deviant sects’ and stick to the one on the right path, the one which he had practiced himself and had preached to his Companions (May Allah (swt) be pleased with a them all).

He had also forewarned his Ummah that they will be split into 73 groups [sects].

Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) being ‘Mercy to the Worlds wouldn’t just warn once to stay away from the ‘deviant sects’ that will crop up in the coming times. He warned about this again and again. The hadith quoted by brother Rahman1 is just one of such narrations and there are many more on the same subject with more details. I am going to quote a few below:

Abu Amir al- Hawdhani said, "Mu'awiyah ibn Abi Sufyan (may Allah be pleased with him) stood among us and said, 'Beware! The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) stood among us and said': 'Beware! The People of the Book before (you) were split up into 72 sects, and this community will be split up into 73, seventy-two of them will go to Hell and one of them will go to Paradise, and it is the majority group (Jama'ah). - Sunan Abu Dawood (3/4580, English edn.

"Awf ibn Malik reported that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said, 'The Jews split into 71 sects: one will enter Paradise and 70 will enter Hell. The Christians split into 72 sects: 71 will enter Hell and one will enter Paradise. By Him in Whose hand is my soul, my Ummah will split into 73 sects: one will enter Paradise and 72 will enter Hell.' Someone asked, 'O Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him), who will they be?' He replied, 'The main body of the Muslims (al-Jama'ah). - Hafiz Ibn Kathir in The Signs Before The Day of Judgement (pg. 14)

It is reported by Hazrat Abullah Ibn Umar (ra) that the Holy Prophet (saw) said: “Such a time, as passed over the Israelites, will surely come for my ummah also, even as the sole of a shoe is like that of the other; so much so that if anyone from amongst the Israelites had flagrantly committed incest with his mother, amongst my ummah too there will be such a man who will do this work. No doubt the Israelites were divided into 72 sects and my ummah will be divided into 73 sects all of which, save one will go to Hell." The Companions asked: "0 Apostle of Allah! Which is the sect that will go to Paradise"? He said: "That one which stuck to the path on which I and my Companions are." - al-Tirmidhi vol. 2, pg. 89

I have found two very appropriate articles collaborating what I had been saying in my previous posts: Please read them

"It was declared in a Hadith that this Ummah would part into 73 groups, 72 of which would go to Hell. This Hadith informs us that the 72 groups will be tormented in the Fire of Hell. It does not inform us that they will remain in torment eternally. Remaining in the torment of Hell Fire eternally is for those who do not have Faith. That is, it is for disbelievers.

The 72 groups, on account of their corrupt beliefs, will go to Hell and will burn as much as the corruptness of their beliefs. One group, the 73rd, will be saved from Hell Fire because their belief is not corrupt. If among the members of this one group there are those who committed evil deeds and if these evil deeds of theirs have not been forgiven through repentance or intercession, it is possible that these, too, will burn in Hell as much as their sins. All of those who are in the 72 groups will go to Hell. But none of them will remain in Hell eternally. Not all of those who are in this one group will go to Hell. Of these only those who have committed evil deeds will go to Hell.

The 72 reported groups of bid'ah, which will go to Hell, should not be called disbelievers, because they are Ahl al-Qibla (people of the Qibla in prayer). But, of these, the ones who disbelieve those facts in the Deen that are indispensably required to be believed, as well as those who deny the rules of the Shari'ah which every Muslim has heard and knows, become disbelievers." - Shaykh al-Islam Ahmad al-Sirhindi (d. 1034/1624) who is regarded by many people in the Indian sub-continent as a great renovator of the Tenth Islamic Century (Mujaddid alf Thani) wrote in his Maktubat (Vol. 3, Letter 38):

In another letter (vol. 1, letter 80) he said:

"There is no doubt whatsoever that the sect that made conforming to the conduct of the Prophet's Companions (may Allah be pleased with them all) necessary, that alone is the Ahl as Sunnah wa'l Jama'ah."

"The Believer should adapt himself to the Sunnah and to the Jama'ah. The Sunnah is the way shown by Rasulullah (Peace be upon him). The Jama'ah is composed of the things done unanimously by the Sahaba who lived in the time of the four caliphs called Khulafa' ar-Rashidin (and others in their path). A Muslim must prevent the multiplication of the men of bid'ah and keep away from them, and should not greet them (as given in many Hadith on this issue).

Ahmad ibn Hanbal (rahimahullah), the Imam of our Madhhab, said that greeting a man of bid'ah meant loving him since it had been declared in a Hadith, 'Disseminate (your) greeting (salaam)! Love one another in this way!" He also said (pg. 143): "The title, Ahl as-Sunnah, which the innovators have expressed for themselves, is not appropriate for them." - Shaykh Abdal Qadir al-Jilani (d. 561/1166; Rahimahullah) stated in his commentary to the above Hadith in Ghunyat at-Talibin (pg. 90),

Ibn_Sadique · December 30, 2004, 3:18pm

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*Originally posted by inuit: *

(2) We all are very well informed about the Beliefs, Practices and characteristics of both Shia and Sunni Sects. I did not put any question about it, neither its my concern, except two questions based on that Hadith.

(a) Importance of Leadership(Imamat) - The hadith tells us stay attach to the group of Muslims and their Chief
(b) Keep Away From Sects. - The hadith tells us that if you cant do the what is mentioned above then keep away from all those different sects

So there was not the requirement of explaining the whole lots of things and characteristics Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah. The necessity was to keep the discussion short and precise.

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I’m sorry; it should be your concern if you are after the truth.

Yes, “We all are very well informed about the Beliefs, Practices and characteristics of both Shia and Sunni Sects” but these beliefs are at variance with each other and we have to know and find out for ourselves to be sure that we are not in one of the ‘deviant sects’ for our own salvation.

QUOTE Importance of Leadership (Imamat) - The hadith tells us stay attach to the group of Muslims and their Chief
(b) Keep Away From Sects. - The hadith tells us that if you cant do the what is mentioned above then keep away from all those different sects
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Let me quote your very first post in this thread:

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*Originally posted by inuit: *
This Hadith is telling us the Importance of Leadership(Imamat). Stick to the group of Muslims and their Imam; otherwise eat root of the tree till death, mean don’t play any role in life and say away from cities and people. In other words you are useless.

Hadith from Shahi Bukhari.

Vol 9, Book 88. Afflictions And The End Of The World. Hadith 206.
Narrated By Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman : He said, "Stick to the group of Muslims and their Imam (ruler)." I said, "If there is neither a group of Muslims nor an Imam (ruler)?" He said, "Then turn away from all those sects even if you were to bite (eat) the roots of a tree till death overtakes you while you are in that state."
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This hadith mentions about Leadership/Imamate of Muslims but not in sense what Shias believe of Imamate.

Shias believe that the world/Universe cannot stay without a Leader/Imam; Without an Imam it would perish. True?

In the hadith quoted above Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman (ra) is inquiring what he will have to do “if there is neither a group of Muslims nor an Imam (ruler)?" If it were to be true that the “world/Universe cannot stay without a Leader/Imam; Without an Imam it would perish” [as the Shias believe] the Prophet would have said the following: “Ya Hudhaifa! The Imam would always be there for you to follow.”

No He did not say that but agreed that there will come a time when there will come times when there will be no leadership/Imamate for the Muslim Ummah.

He did not mention about Imam al Ghayb.

[At present times there is no leader/Imam of Islamic Ummah – The Khilafaat being destroyed in 1924.]

Ibn_Sadique · December 30, 2004, 3:32pm

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*Originally posted by inuit: *

(3) However rehman1's 2nd post gave another thought, when he talked about ummatul-ijaabah and ummatud-da'wah. The interpretation he gave shows that ummatud-da'wah will be divided it 72 sects but not the ummatul-ijaabah. ummatul-ijaabah is "the saved sect". Despite the fact, we dont know what is the background of this interpretation but it looks nicer and its intension is to bring all sects with-in islam closer to each other.

(4) Then Sa'ad1 joined the discussion with a diminishing thought, without caring the term "ummatul-ijaabah" he only used the term "saved sect", described its characteristics and then he assiciated it with only Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah. However in rehman1's post the term "ummatul-ijaabah" and he used it as saved-sect for all school of thoughts with-in islam. Why is it ike that? This is my question.

Leave the first question; I only want to know that if as per the interpretation of Rehman1 ummatul-ijaabah contains all sects (Shia, Sunni, Wahabi etc etc) then why praising only Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah as a saved-sect. Does this mean Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah is only the saved one? OR other Islamic sects are not included in ummatul-ijaabah. ???

Please help me understand

thanks
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The following hadith
[quoted above as well]
clearly shows that ummatul-ijaabah is the one which will split into 73 groups/sects and only one from them will enter Jannah on the day one.

It is reported by Hazrat Abullah Ibn Umar (ra) that the Holy Prophet (saw) said: “Such a time, as passed over the Israelites, will surely come for my ummah also, even as the sole of a shoe is like that of the other; so much so that if anyone from amongst the Israelites had flagrantly committed incest with his mother, amongst my ummah too there will be such a man who will do this work. No doubt the Israelites were divided into 72 sects and my ummah will be divided into 73 sects all of which, save one will go to Hell ." The Companions asked: "0 Apostle of Allah! Which is the sect that will go to Paradise"? He said: "That one which stuck to the path on which I and my Companions are." - al-Tirmidhi vol. 2, pg. 89

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Leave the first question; I only want to know that if as per the interpretation of Rehman1 ummatul-ijaabah contains all sects (Shia, Sunni, Wahabi etc etc) then why praising only Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah as a saved-sect. Does this mean Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah is only the saved one? OR other Islamic sects are not included in ummatul-ijaabah. ???
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Obviously what brother rehman1 has written above is not true.

I think the answers to questions 1 – 3 will make the above very clear.

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Please help me understand

thanks
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I hope that it has helped you understand and my effort was not in vain.

rehman1 · December 30, 2004, 3:59pm

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*Originally posted by inuit: *

(1) This thread started with a nice subject line of "Keep Away From Sects" by rehman1. He quoted a Hadith in which the Holy Prophet (PBUH&HF) warned about evils and informed about good things in future which will come after each other. The narrator asked The Holy Prophet (PBUH&HF) that what should he do in case of evils; Prophet(PBUH&HF) ordered him to stay attach to the group of Muslims and their Chief otherwise keep away from all those different sects, even if he had to bite (i.e. eat) the root of a tree, till he meet Allah while he remain in that state.

(2) We all are very well informed about the Beliefs, Practices and characteristics of both Shia and Sunni Sects. I did not put any question about it, neither its my concern, except two questions based on that Hadith.

(a) Importance of Leadership(Imamat) - The hadith tells us stay attach to the group of Muslims and their Chief
(b) Keep Away From Sects. - The hadith tells us that if you cant do the what is mentioned above then keep away from all those different sects

So there was not the requirement of explaining the whole lots of things and characteristics Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah. The necessity was to keep the discussion short and precise.

(3) However rehman1's 2nd post gave another thought, when he talked about ummatul-ijaabah and ummatud-da'wah. The interpretation he gave shows that ummatud-da'wah will be divided it 72 sects but not the ummatul-ijaabah. ummatul-ijaabah is "the saved sect". Despite the fact, we dont know what is the background of this interpretation but it looks nicer and its intension is to bring all sects with-in islam closer to each other.

(4) Then Sa'ad1 joined the discussion with a diminishing thought, without caring the term "ummatul-ijaabah" he only used the term "saved sect", described its characteristics and then he assiciated it with only Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah. However in rehman1's post the term "ummatul-ijaabah" and he used it as saved-sect for all school of thoughts with-in islam. Why is it ike that? This is my question.

Leave the first question; I only want to know that if as per the interpretation of Rehman1 ummatul-ijaabah contains all sects (Shia, Sunni, Wahabi etc etc) then why praising only Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah as a saved-sect. Does this mean Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah is only the saved one? OR other Islamic sects are not included in ummatul-ijaabah. ???

Please help me understand

thanks
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Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah is not a sect.

Sa_ad1 · December 30, 2004, 4:25pm

Allaah says: "And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allaah (i.e., this Qur'an), and be not divided among yourselves." Surah Aali-`Imraan [3:103]
And He says: "And do not be among the polytheists. Of those who split up their religion and became sects, each sect rejoicing in that which is with it." Surat-ur-Room [30:31-32]
The Messenger of Allaah said: "I counsel you to have Taqwaa of Allaah and to hear and obey, even if an Abyssinian slave were to command you. For, verily, whoever amongst you lives (to grown old), he will see many differences. So stick to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided khaleefahs. Cling tightly onto it and hold onto it with your molar teeth. And beware of newly invented matters. For, indeed, every newly invented matter is an innovation, and every innovation is a thing that leads astray, and everything that leads astray is in the Hellfire." 2
And he also said: "Indeed those from before you from the People of the Book divided into seventy-two groups. And, indeed, this group (Muslims) will divide into seventy-three. Seventy-two groups will be in the Hellfire and one of them will be in Paradise. And it is the Jamaa'ah (group)." 3

And in another narration, he said: "Everyone of them in the Hellfire, except for one group that which I and my companions are upon." 4

Ibn Mas'ood said: "The Messenger of Allaah drew a line for us and then said: 'This is the Straight Path of Allaah.' And he drew lines on the left and right of it, and then said: 'These are paths of which there is not one except that there is a devil upon it calling towards it.' Then he recited the statements of Allaah 5: 'And verily, this is My Straight Path, so follow it, and do not follow (other) paths for they will separate you away from His path." 6
Shaikh ' Abd-ul-Qaadir Al-Jeelaanee Rahimahullaah said: "As for the saved sect, then they are the Ahl-us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah. And there is no name for Ahl-us-Sunnah except for one and that is Ashaab-ul-hadeeth (those who stick to the hadeeth)." 7

7, Allaah, has commanded us to hold tightly onto the Glorious Qur'an, and to not be like the polytheists who divide their religion into sects and parties. And the honorable Messenger has informed us that the Jews and the Christians have divided into many sects, and that the Muslims will divide into more sects than them. And that these groups will subjected to the entrance into the Hellfire due to their deviation and their distancing away from the Book of their Lord and Sunnah of their Prophet. He also informed us that one saved sect from among them will enter Paradise, and it is the Jamaa'ah (group), those who cling tightly onto the book of Allaah and the authentic Sunnah, and the actions of the companions of the Messenger of Allaah.

O Allaah! Make us from among the members of the Saved Sect and give victory to the Muslims so that they may be from among them.

The Methodology Of The Saved Sect
1. The Saved Sect is upon the methodology that the Messenger was upon in his life and the methodology of his companions after him. And that was (the following of ) the Glorious Qur'an which Allaah revealed unto His Messenger, and that which he explained to his companions by way of the ahaadeeth (narration's) that have been authentically reported on him. And he commanded the Muslims to hold tightly onto the two, by his saying: "I left upon you two things of which you will never go astray after them: The Book of Allaah and my Sunnah. They will never be separated until they return to me at the Haud (the Pond)." 8

The Saved Sect returns to the Words of Allaah and the words of His Messenger at times of differing and controversy, acting upon the statement of Allaah, the Most High: "And if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it back to Allaah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allaah and in the Last Day. That is more suitable for final determination." Surat-un-Nisaa' [4:59].

And He also says: "But no, by your Lord, they can have no Eemaan (Faith), until they make you (O Muhammad) a judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission." Surat-un-Nisaa' [4:65].

The Saved Sect does not put the speech of anyone before the speech of Allaah and His Messenger, acting upon the statement of Allaah: "O you who believe! Do not be forward in the presence of Allaah and His Messenger and fear Allaah. Verily, Allaah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing." Surat-ul-Hujuraat [49:1].

Ibn 'Abbas said: "I fear that rocks from the heavens are about to descend upon you. I say to you: The Messenger of Allaah said, and you say: Abu Bakr and 'Umar said."

The Saved Sect gives importance to the Tawheed of Allaah. And that is the singling out of Allaah in terms of His worship, seeking of assistance, supplication at times of hardship and ease, scarifies, oaths, reliance, and other than that from the types of worship. It is the foundation by which the only correct Islaamic state can be established. And there is no doubt that the Shirk (association of partners with Allaah) that is currently present in the Islaamic states should be eradicated. This is because it is one of the requirements of Tawheed. Thus, victory will not come to any group that disregards Tawheed and does not oppose shirk and its types.
The Saved Sects revives the Sunnah of the Messenger in their act of worship, behavior and lifestyles. And due to this, they become strangers among their own people, as the Prophet has informed us would happen with his words: "Indeed Islam began as something strange and it will return to being strange as it began. So Toobaa is for the strangers." 9
And in one narration, he said: "So Toobaa 10 is for the strangers those who correct others when the people have become corrupt." 11
The Saved Sect does not become fanatical with the words of anyone, except for the words of Allaah and His Messenger, the one protected from sins and who do not speak from his own desire. As for other than him from among mankind, no matter how high his degree may be, then he is prone to error and sin. This is due to the statement of the Messenger: "Everyone of the tribe of Adam sins. And the best of the sinners are the ones who (constantly) make repentance." 12

Imaam Maalik Rahimahullaah said: "There is no one after the Prophet except that you may take and abandon from his statements, except the Prophet."

The Saved Sect are the people of Hadeeth, of whom the Prophet said: "There will not cease to be a group from my ummah, dominant upon the truth. The ones who abandon them will not be able to harm them, until the decree of Allaah comes." 13

A poet said: "The people of hadeeth are the people of the Prophet."

The Saved Sect honors and respects the Scholars of Islam and they do not go extremities in following anyone among them. Rather, they take the understanding from the Qur'an, the authentic Sunnah and from all of the scholars statements as long as they are in agreement with the authentic narration's and these are in agreement with their words. This is up to the point that they advise those that follow them to take from the authentic texts and to abandon any statement that opposes it.
The Saved Sect commands the good and forbids the evil. And so they forbid the evil of the innovator and the destructive groups that divide the ummah and innovate into the religion and into the Sunnah of the Messenger and his companions.
The Saved Sect calls the Muslims towards holding fast to the Sunnah of the Messenger and his companions until victory is prescribed for them and enter Paradise by the bounty of Allaah and the intercession of the Messenger after haven been given the authority to do so by Allaah.
The Saved Sect declares the evil of the conventional man-made law system which forces mankind to oppose the ruling system of Islam. They call the people to rule by the Book of Allaah which was revealed to aid mankind in this world and the next. And Allaah knows best what is correct for them. His rule is established and does not change through the course of days. And it is correct for the people of all times. There can be no honor for he Muslims except in their return to the studying of Islam, individually or in groups or through the governments, in accordance to Allah's statement: "Verily, Allaah will not change the condition of a people, as long as they do not change it themselves." Surat-ur-Ra'ad [13:11].

inuit · December 30, 2004, 6:30pm

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Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah is not a sect.
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but you cant say its like chu-chu ka Marruba; Hindu religion is chu-chu ka Marruba.. they collected lots of religions and sects in india and presented as a one religions its not Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaaah. What i think its one school of thaught.

inuit · December 30, 2004, 6:33pm

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*Originally posted by Ibn Sadique: *
Obviously what brother rehman1 has written above is not true.

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This is what i wanted you to say. Now its up to rehman1; whether he can make us understand his opinion or not.

inuit · December 30, 2004, 6:39pm

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*Originally posted by Sa'ad1: *

Shaikh ' Abd-ul-Qaadir Al-Jeelaanee Rahimahullaah said: "As for the saved sect, then they are the Ahl-us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah. And there is no name for Ahl-us-Sunnah except for one and that is Ashaab-ul-hadeeth (those who stick to the hadeeth)." [/QUOTE] Bro Ibn Sadique what is your view on this? this think this is correct. ?

BTW how many are there; the true Ahl-us-Sunnah (Ashaab-ul-hadeeth) in this world?

rehman1 · December 30, 2004, 6:47pm

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*Originally posted by inuit: *
but you cant say its like chu-chu ka Marruba; Hindu religion is chu-chu ka Marruba.. they collected lots of religions and sects in india and presented as a one religions its not Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaaah. What i think its one school of thaught.
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How Is It a sect. Care to explain.
So following Koran and Hadith is a sect. Wow.

To think that zuljinna is a Imams horse offspring, Now that my
friend is a real chu chu ka murabaa. And even the horse ke nasl
is pure Arabic.Wow. And followers are Iranians . Now thats one
chu chu ka murabaa.

inuit · December 30, 2004, 6:48pm

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*Originally posted by Ibn Sadique: *
Shias believe that the world/Universe cannot stay without a Leader/Imam; Without an Imam it would perish. True?

In the hadith quoted above Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman (ra) is inquiring what he will have to do “if there is neither a group of Muslims nor an Imam (ruler)?" If it were to be true that the “world/Universe cannot stay without a Leader/Imam; Without an Imam it would perish” [as the Shias believe] the Prophet would have said the following: “Ya Hudhaifa! The Imam would always be there for you to follow.”

No He did not say that but agreed that there will come a time when there will come times when there will be no leadership/Imamate for the Muslim Ummah.

He did not mention about Imam al Ghayb.

[At present times there is no leader/Imam of Islamic Ummah – The Khilafaat being destroyed in 1924.]

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MashaAllah Good understanding; al Ghayb means not present or without. thanks;
Alas ! The Khilafaat being destroyed in 1924 ; how good he was ! His KINGDOM is no more.

anyway this is not the topic of dicussion in this thread.

inuit · December 30, 2004, 6:57pm

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*Originally posted by rehman1: *

How Is It a sect. Care to explain.
So following Koran and Hadith is a sect. Wow.

To think that zuljinna is a Imams horse offspring, Now that my
friend is a real chu chu ka murabaa. And even the horse ke nasl
is pure Arabic.Wow. And followers are Iranians . Now thats one
chu chu ka murabaa.
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i never say this, I am not using the term SECT for Ahle Sunnah; but Sa'ad1 and Ibn Sadique are saying this, it a sect - one out of 73, which is the saved-one, i dont know why, but they are giving some reference as well. ask them please.

i also agree with them that Ahle Sunnah is not chu-chu ka Marruba; sorry if you misunderstood.

rehman1 · December 30, 2004, 7:02pm

It is reported by Hazrat Abullah Ibn Umar (ra) that the Holy Prophet (saw) said: “Such a time, as passed over the Israelites, will surely come for my ummah also, even as the sole of a shoe is like that of the other; so much so that if anyone from amongst the Israelites had flagrantly committed incest with his mother, amongst my ummah too there will be such a man who will do this work. No doubt the Israelites were divided into 72 sects and my ummah will be divided into 73 sects all of which, save one will go to Hell ." The Companions asked: "0 Apostle of Allah! Which is the sect that will go to Paradise"? He said: "That one which stuck to the path on which I and my Companions are." - al-Tirmidhi vol. 2, pg. 89

: "0 Apostle of Allah! Which is the sect that will go to Paradise"? He said: "That one which stuck to the path on which I and my Companions are." - al-Tirmidhi vol. 2, pg. 89

This is the answer to all your questions.

Robert · December 30, 2004, 7:09pm

rightnow its 41 sects. we have 32 more to go. may be the right sect does nt exist YET.