Kayani fighting to keep his job?

He should have resigned on May 3rd.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/16/world/asia/16pakistan.html

Pakistan’s Chief of Army Fights to Keep His Job
By JANE PERLEZ

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan’s army chief, the most powerful man in the country, is fighting to save his position in the face of seething anger from top generals and junior officers since the American raid that killed Osama bin Laden, according to Pakistani officials and people who have met the chief in recent weeks.
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Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, who has led the army since 2007, faces such intense discontent over what is seen as his cozy relationship with the United States that a colonels’ coup, while unlikely, was not out of the question, said a well-informed Pakistani who has seen the general in recent weeks, as well as an American military official involved with Pakistan for many years.

The Pakistani Army is essentially run by consensus among 11 top commanders, known as the Corps Commanders, and almost all of them, if not all, were demanding that General Kayani get much tougher with the Americans, even edging toward a break, Pakistanis who follow the army closely said.

Washington, with its own hard line against Pakistan, had pushed General Kayani into a defensive crouch, along with his troops, and if the general was pushed out, the United States would face a more uncompromising anti-American army chief, the Pakistani said.

To repair the reputation of the army, and to ensure his own survival, General Kayani made an extraordinary tour of more than a dozen garrisons, mess halls and other institutions in the six weeks since the May 2 raid that killed Bin Laden. His goal was to rally support among his rank-and-file troops, who are almost uniformly anti-American, according to participants and people briefed on the sessions.

During a long session in late May at the National Defense University, the premier academy in Islamabad, the capital, one officer got up after General Kayani’s address and challenged his policy of cooperation with the United States. The officer asked, “If they don’t trust us, how can we trust them?” according to Shaukaut Qadri, a retired army brigadier who was briefed on the session. General Kayani essentially responded, “We can’t,” Mr. Qadri said.

In response to pressure from his troops, Pakistani and American officials said, General Kayani had already become a more obstinate partner, standing ever more firm with each high-level American delegation that has visited since the raid to try and rescue the shattered American-Pakistani relationship.

In a prominent example of the new Pakistani intransigence, The New York Times reported Tuesday that, according to American officials, Pakistan’s spy agency had arrested five Pakistani informants who helped the Central Intelligence Agency before the Bin Laden raid. The officials said one of them is a doctor who has served as a major in the Pakistani Army. In a statement on Wednesday, a Pakistani military spokesman called the story “false” and said no army officer had been detained. Over all, Pakistani and American officials said, the relationship was now more competitive and combative than cooperative.

General Kayani told the director of the C.I.A., Leon E. Panetta, during a visit here last weekend that Pakistan would not accede to his request for independent operations by the agency, Pakistani and American officials said.

A long statement after the regular monthly meeting of the 11 corps commanders last week illuminated the mounting hostility toward the United States, even as it remains the army’s biggest patron, supplying at least $2 billion a year in aid.

The statement, aimed at rebuilding support within the army and among the public, said that American training in Pakistan had only ever been minimal, and had now ended. “It needs to be clarified that the army had never accepted any training assistance from the United States except for training on the newly inducted weapons and some training assistance for the Frontier Corps only,” a reference to paramilitary troops in the northwest tribal areas, the statement said.

The statement said that the C.I.A.-run drone attacks against militants in the tribal areas “were not acceptable under any circumstances.”

Allowing the drones to continue to operate from Pakistan was “politically unsustainable,” said the well-informed Pakistani who met with General Kayani recently. As part of his survival mechanism, General Kayani could well order the Americans to stop the drone
program completely, the Pakistani said.

The Pakistanis have already blocked the supply of food and water to the base used for the drones, a senior American official said, adding that they were gradually “strangling the alliance” by making things difficult for the Americans in Pakistan.
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The turmoil within the Pakistani Army has engendered the lowest morale since it lost the war in 1971 against East Pakistan, now Bangladesh, army observers say. The anger and disillusionment stems from the fact that the Obama administration decided not to tell Pakistan in advance about the Bin Laden raid — and that Pakistan was then unable to detect or stop it.

That Bin Laden was living comfortably in Pakistan for years has evinced little outrage here among a population that has consistently told pollsters it is more sympathetic to Al Qaeda than to the United States.

Even a well-known pro-American commander, Lt. Gen. Tariq Khan, who spent more than a year at Central Command headquarters in Tampa, Fla., after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks had fallen in line with the new ultranationalist sentiment against the Americans, a former army officer said.

The anger at the Americans was now making it more difficult for General Kayani to motivate the army to fight against the Pakistani Taliban in what is increasingly seen as a fight on behalf of the United States, former Pakistani soldiers said.

“The feeling that they are fighting America’s war against their own people has a negative impact on the fighting efficiency,” said Javed Hussain, a former special forces officer in the Pakistani military.

Discipline has become a worry, as has an open rebellion in the middle ranks of officers, particularly as rumors circulate that some enlisted men have questioned whether General Kayani and his partner, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the head of the chief spy agency, the Directorate for the Inter-Services Intelligence, should remain in their jobs.

A special three-year extension General Kayani won in his position last year did not sit well among the rank and file who perceived it as having been pushed by the United States to keep its man in the top job.

“Keeping discipline in the lower ranks is a challenge,” said Mr. Qadri, the retired army brigadier.

General Kayani’s problems have been magnified by a groundswell of unprecedented criticism from the public, questioning both the army’s competence and the lavish rewards for its top brass, something that also increasingly rankles modestly paid enlisted men.

“Adding to this frustration and public pique is the lifestyle that the top brass of all the services has maintained,” Talat Hussain, a prominent journalist who generally writes favorably about the military, wrote in Monday’s edition of the English-language newspaper Dawn. “This is not a guns versus butter argument, but a contrast between the reality of the life led by the military elite at state expense and the general situation for ordinary citizens.”

Despite the resources the army soaks up — about 23 percent of Pakistan’s annual expenditures — it has appeared impotent since the May 2 raid. The infiltration three weeks later of the nation’s largest naval base by Qaeda commandos that left at least 10 security officers dead added to the sense of disarray.

According to the notes of a participant in the session at the National Defense University, General Kayani acknowledged that Pakistan had mortgaged itself to the United States. The participant declined to be identified because people at the session agreed that they would not divulge what was said.

In making the analogy to Pakistan as a mortgaged house, General Kayani said that if a person gave his house against a loan and was unable to pay back the loan, the mortgage holder would intervene, the participant said. “We are helpless,” General Kayani said, according to the person’s notes. “Can we fight America?”

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The process of self-cleaning in a disciplined institution which kicked in. It would be better if Zardari & Gillani grow some balls and fire him instead of by the hands core commanders.

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we are doomed.

Kiyani is not important it does not matter if he as a person has become unpopular or not, the forces themselves are more important. I think he should resign himself since as that might go someway to improve the army's image

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I think this time we need to let the patient die his natural death instead of shooting him which will go long way, besides I don't think Zardari/Gilani have jurisdiction over ISI.


Exactly, its the process we should be looking at, not the person.

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Be it a politician, bureaucrat or a military man, stepping dowin in our country is neither a norm nor an ethical fashion unlike some other civilised parts of the world. It just never happens in Pakistan, come what may. Otherwise, I believe Abbotabad was the right time for a professional of Kayani's stature to go.

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It's absolutely normal and happens everywhere in the world and a step in the right direction. It's nothing but obvious and natural that you go for medicine once you fall ill.

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I think the institution of army still stands out compare to other lot. Soldiers can question top brass without hesitation, God forbid if their is ever a coup kind a thing happen inside Pak Army. But the current mood of politicians, generals & public is guide enough to predict that Military rule is pretty much thing of the past now.

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A few days ago I wrote in a post in some thread.
I smell something among boots.
Yesterday morning I saw ‘Jang’ and read this
http://ejang.jang.com.pk/06-16-2011/Karachi/page12.asp#;
I knew Jang-Jew are the basic tool of any conspiracy, Now ARY included.
And I saw this thread,
So be sure another dirty play is on.

http://ejang.jang.com.pk/06-16-2011/Karachi/images/1025.gif

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Everyone have to watch it:

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A beyghairat leading an impotent institution. I am embarrassed to see Pakistan and its military at this lowest point.

How can they bite the hand that feeds them? With billions of dollars being remitted by the Americans, the military has sold its soul and national sovereignty.

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[http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/06/16/us.pakistan.general/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

**Pentagon watching fate of Pakistani general helpful to U.S.
****By ****Barbara Starr, CNN Pentagon Correspondent
June 17, 2011 – Updated 0036 GMT (0836 HKT)
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Washington (CNN) – ****The United States is watching closely to the see the ultimate fate of the most powerful man in Pakistan, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, the Pakistani army’s chief of staff.
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**Pressured by Washington to crack down on terrorists at the same time he was kept in the dark about the U.S. raid to kill Osama bin Laden, Kayani “is facing more vocal and strident criticism than he has in the past,” a senior U.S. military official told CNN. “We really think he is coming under increased scrutiny by junior and mid-grade officers.”
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**This is the type of scrutiny senior Pakistani generals like Kayani are “not accustomed to facing,” the official said.
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**Criticism of Kayani inside Pakistan had grown in recent months as he became close to the Obama administration and the Pentagon. But in the wake of the U.S. military raid into Pakistan to kill bin Laden, the criticism has increased from an officer corps furious that U.S. troops invaded Pakistan’s territory without the Pakistani military, and especially Kayani, being consulted.
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**Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, is one of Kayani’s closest professional and personal allies, having met with him many times in the past several years.
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**“Mullen does consider him a friend,” said the admiral’s spokesman, Capt John Kirby. “That doesn’t mean there aren’t still disagreements. It doesn’t mean Kayani doesn’t feel betrayed.”
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**U.S. officials are closely watching a group known as the “11 corps commanders,” the senior Pakistani generals hand-picked by Kayani to command. Keeping their loyalty will be crucial for Kayani to keep his job.
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**At his final Pentagon news conference Thursday before stepping down at the end of the month, Gates warned that no matter how much strain exists between the two countries, cooperation must be preserved.
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**“We need each other and we need each other more than just in the context of Afghanistan. Pakistan is an important player in terms of regional stability and in terms of central Asia, and my view is that this is a relationship that we need to keep working at it.”
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**Incoming Defense Secretary Leon Panetta on June 9 sounded a similar warning: “This is a difficult challenge. The relationship with Pakistan is at the same time one of the most critical and yet one of the most complicated and frustrating relationships that we have.”
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**Panetta said it is “complicated by the fact that they maintain relationships with certain terrorist groups, that they continue to not take aggressive action with regard to these safe havens, and that they’re concerned about the sovereignty results and criticisms of the United States when, in fact, my view is that the terrorists in their country are probably the greatest threat to their sovereignty.”
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**For his part, Mullen, also testifying before Congress this week, said he wouldn’t “push back” on the challenge of working with Pakistan.
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“Some of the criticism is more than warranted. Nobody’s worked that harder than me, very frankly, with the leadership. And it’s a conscious decision, I think, that we have to make. And if we walk away from it, it’s my view it will be a much more dangerous place a decade from now, and we’ll be back.”

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A ,you mean Aik?
http://ejang.jang.com.pk/06-17-2011/Karachi/images/96.gif
There is same same in English in the post of Ali _Syed but more visible for me and some like me in Urdu.
But please keep in mind that this can be a US sponsored attack to disturb Pak Army, They tried with Pasha but ranks knew about his honesty and loyalty to Pakistan so became fail.
I always recommend two things.
Reforms and court martial of Ayoub , Yahya, Zia and Mush for violating their oath.

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Kayani is one of our best ever generals, he is facing ,massive challenges right now but let's not get emotional and stay united.

We need to get rid of this ABSOLUTELY useless Zardari gang to solve half of our problems.

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this is the game, show him as one of the losers because he is not giving in to US pressure/demands, show Shuja Pasha and ISI as evil as it can get...kill some journalist the blame will go to ISI... the Kiyani and Pasha gave in to US demands, there won't be any articles/write ups on him...

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Once again I agree with you but now time is over for further foolish acts.
Reforms are required , immediate

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At least Kiyani is showing some concern and trying to pacify the situation, even though it does not justify his action in the recent past. But compare this with the two bayghairat and baysharam people sitting in PM and president house. Not a spec of concern or sharam on their part. That is the root problem.

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I always knew Kiyani was a very sensible person but he is an AMAZING guy, i was speaking to his VERY close relative and he told me some AMAZING facts about him. We are extremely lucky to have someone like him who works day and night to keep things in order. It's amazing that people call him money hungry and corrupt, one of his brother once held a top post in army but later started some business so Kiyani forced him to quit his job. His cousin (also brother in law) is driving taxi in Australia and according to him none of his family members are allowed to use Kiyani's name anywhere in Pakistan to gain any kind of advantage.
He is man of principles and is definitely working tirelessly, poor guy is highly stressed since Abbotabad incident and considers it one of his biggest failures.

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He is man of principles and is definitely working tirelessly, poor guy is highly stressed since Abbotabad incident and considers it one of his biggest failures.
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Kiyani could be a man of principles, but that's the basic requirement of the job he is doing. I do not see anything unusual in that. And what happened in Abbotabad, is not his failure alone. Air Force chief is equally responsible for the that.

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People are calling him American puppet, money hungry, useless, corrupt etc etc so it is a big deal if he man of principles and what's even more important is that he has never abused his power ( Remember he is one of the most powerful people on earth).
All i am saying is that Kiyani isn't an evil/corrupt person as some people would like us to believe so support the man as he is the BEST person to lead our forces.