Kasuri ‘to meet Israeli minister’

Contacts with israel have been going on for sometime now, but this is the first time that the government has gone public with such information. I think it is a good move and will pay dividends for Pakistan.

****Kasuri ‘to meet Israeli minister’](http://www.dawn.com/2005/09/01/top3.htm)

ISLAMABAD, Aug 31: Pakistan and Israel are all set to have the first overt high-level political contact on Thursday. In what is seen as a major diplomatic development the foreign ministers of the two countries will meet in Istanbul, informed sources told Dawn on Wednesday.

The meeting between Foreign Minister Khurshid Kasuri and his Israeli counterpart Silvan Shalom is taking place in response to Israel’s keenness to establish contact with Pakistan, it is learnt.

However, there is no official word on the crucial meeting yet. Foreign Office spokesman was not available for comments when Dawn tried to contact him on Wednesday.

According to diplomatic sources, the meeting would focus on the developments in the Middle East peace process. They say the meeting ought not to be read as Pakistan’s recognition of Israel but seen as the opening of dialogue between the two countries which have no direct political disputes.

**HOW IT HAPPENED: **It is learnt that covert contacts between representatives of the Jewish state and Pakistan had been going on for several months through diplomatic and informal channels.

However, the decisive factor for the first open political contact between the two countries was the Israeli pullout from Gaza last month which in Pakistan is viewed as a positive move and has been welcomed by the government.

Apparently, the Israeli government had approached Pakistan several times in the last one year to make the contacts public. The response from Islamabad each time was that it would do so at an ‘appropriate’ time. After the Israeli pullout from Gaza, Pakistan signalled to the Israelis that it was ‘now ready’ for an overt contact.

The two sides then decided to have the meeting on a neutral territory. Pakistan took the Turkish leadership into confidence and suggested Istanbul as the venue for the groundbreaking meeting. Turkey gave the green light and Israel also agreed to hold the first meeting there. It was decided not to make the meeting public till it had taken place.

Turkey which has excellent relations with Pakistan is among the several Muslim countries, including Egypt and Jordan, that have full diplomatic ties with Israel.

Successive Pakistani governments, including those led by Gen Zia, Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto, also had contact with Israel.

On Tuesday, President Gen Pervez Musharraf telephoned Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and informed him about the proposed meeting. The Palestinian president’s response was ‘very positive’ and he welcomed the initiative, it is learnt. It is believed President Musharraf also told his Palestinian counterpart that he would soon be sending a delegation to Gaza and Al Quds.

President Abbas during his visit to Pakistan in May had requested President Musharraf to send a delegation to Palestine. Later, the Foreign Office declared that in principle Pakistan had agreed to it. Subsequently, on several occasions the FO spokesman when asked about the timing of the visit as well as the size and composition of the delegation he had indicated that it was in the works.

The opening of Pakistan-Israel communication channels does not come out of the blue. It follows President Musharraf’s recent decision to address the American Jewish Congress in New York in September. He will be the first Muslim leader to do so.

About two years back President Musharraf had initiated a public debate on the controversial question of Israel’s recognition. The outcome of the debate led to the policy decision that the recognition of Israel would be linked to the total withdrawal of Israel from occupied Arab territories and establishment of an independent Palestinian state.

Added to these factors are the strategic dimension and Pakistan’s national security considerations and the influence of the Jewish lobby and Israel in American policies.

Political analysts say each government in Pakistan had established covert contacts with the state of Israel.

However, with the Israeli pullout from Gaza the present government decided to go public with it.—Q.A.

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If somebody like Benazir started being friendly towards the Israelis, she would be lambasted as a traitor.

With Busharraf there is nothing he won't do to please his American masters .

As for what Pak can get out of it, let's get real, at the end of the day nothing of significance.

However Mush will get another pat on the head from his pleased American masters, which is the key

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^^ lets say its to please US, who is being pleased at the moment for Pakistan not recongnising Israel?
arabs??? do they really care about Pakistan?

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Say that to allah(swt) on qiyamat and lets see what value the dividends will hold for you at that time.

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these puppets we know they are bunch of liars they been talking with the israeli squatters for long time, lets be real musharaff would sell his own mother if Bush asked him to.

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If the Arabs with whom they are involved in a conflict can recognise them, than why not us. Pakistan comes first, arabs second.

As for Allah I hadn’t realised he had said that anyone recognising Israel will go to hell.

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ehsan we dont follow arabs or english or amerikkans we follow what allah(swt) told us to follow. The example of the arab you referring to the arab regimes who are dictators and beat their people up if they even look the wrong way at them.

We are accountable for our own actions and becoming buddy buddy with allah(swt) enemies is not good action at all.

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It is called bending over backwards to please the Americans. They may throw a few bread crumbs his way. And he and his lackeys will claim it a big success.

What does one expect from the one who takes Ata Turk as his hero?

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ehsan,whts ur age man.. i thought u r a sensible guy....khair pak should not make any contacts with illegal state like israel........as they r our enemy...mr ehsan,they r pakistan enemy and dont give me baccho wali baat "wht they have done to us"..

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I fail to see anything positive in such a move. Not only from a religious perspective, but also economically. What purpose would recognizing Israel serve? There is none.

I hope the sentence "This passport is valid for all countries of the world except Israel." will remain in the Pakistani passports. In fact I like the way it is put in Irani passports: "This passport is valid for all countries of the world except Occupied Palestine."

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Ata Turk was Jinnah’s hero.

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Tell me something, even if all the Arab countries recognise Israel, should we still not recognise them. I oppose their occupation of Palestine and what they are doing there. We have opposed Israel so much, Yet Arabs have not opposed India’s occupation of Kashmir, on the contrary Egypt and Iraq actively supported India during the 1971 war.

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ehsan,

India has a great foreign policy. They get to trade with Israel, Iran and the Arabs at the same time and still are ardent supporters of the Palestinian cause. We must not also forget that Arafat supported India in its stance on Kashmir.
:alhamd: and :jazak: for this great news by the way.

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Right on. I would say do it just to piss these arab-pitooz-keyboard-jihadiz like ak47. When the Arabs start showing support for Pakistan's causes maybe then we can think about not recognizing them.

Pakistan is a state who must watch out for its own interests first instead of going out of its way for others like it has done in the past.

As for the whole pretense of the illegal occupation, that is not the biggest reason why we shouldnt recognize them. Should we stop recognizing India just because we claim (very strongly) that it has occupied Kashmir? Should we also stop recognizing Bangladesh (once again) since it was once part of Pakistan?

I still think the government lacks the courage to take the move though, because of the prevailing jahalat and ak47ism mentality in the country.

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Tel Aviv University has done a great study on Pakistan-Israel relations:

www.tau.ac.il/jcss/memoranda/memo55.pdf
One of the reasons Pakistan could safely make its nuclear weapons, without ending up like Iraq or Iran, was that it had assured Israel, that Pakistan would not use its nukes against Israel. There are many benefits to recognizing Israel, and India is reaping all of them.

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Recognizing Israel has nothing to do with economics, foreign relations, nuclear weapons or even scores against India. It’s a simple moral issue and Pakistani leadership at the moment has no such thing as morals.

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Did the Pakistani leadership ever have morals? No leadership of any country in the world is based on morals. It's based on getting that top spot.

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I am sure Maulana Diesel-Rahman has great morals...

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Pakistan has a diesel Maulana? Does he give free petrol to the poor?

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Bravo Musharraf! He is doing what needed to be done decades ago, finally making these Wahhabis and extremists exposed for having no agenda. how much longer will we be more Catholic than the Pope when it comes to Israel? Arabs countries recognize them and so should we.

How I love it when Musharraf makes these fanatics cry in a corner and bemoan the state of the world! HAHAHA! Great job and good move for Pakistan. Long overdue. I will go hug my Jewish brothers with open arms. Screw you haters.