the reason the tempo is being upped on pakistan is because it has made peace deals with the taliban. its called intimidation. the message is clear fight taliban or we will fight you!
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Gilani countered that Pakistan was taking all possible measure to stop militant activity across the long, rugged frontier. “We are not fighting this war for America but it is our own war and we want to eliminate extremism and terrorism which is the root cause of all evils,” he said
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gilanis statement, posted earlier, is allover the place interms of policy.
No, he wasn't 100% successful, we can all agree on this, but he did try within the confines of pressures put on him locally because any action he took gave the terrorist sympathizers the opportunity to falsely claim that innocent people were being targeted. Within this domestic tormentingly he did pretty good I think.
Have you been hibernating the last few years amigo? Pakistan has been blamed for all this since Musharraf took power (i'm not saying it's Because of him, but when you're in-charge you have to accept the package as a whole, the good and the bad) unfortunaly, Musharraf has had a lot of bad under his name by his unaccountable actions and undebated policies. It's all of that which gave rise to suicide bombings within Pakistan. Even under the previous Govt. Pakistan used to get the blame for being the hub of Terrorism (which i don't agree with entirely). The only difference then was that Musharraf would obey the orders coming from U.S. and cover for them when they fired and bombarded countless villages and killed civilians as well as some extreme elements, and Musharraf always managed to come on T.V. and own up to it and take the blame.
So for you to say that Pakistan is being blamed for all the mess around the world just recently is very wrong and ill-informed. I suggest you get your facts right.
Maybe you were comfortable with that, that as long as Pakistanis own up to it, even if it's not true, it give you some sense of relief. I see that as being dillusional to the reality and serving to degrade the soveriengty of Pakistan.
It has gotten worse recently as you may have noticed. And before Mush took control, Pakistan was ready to be declared a terrorist state. He stopped that in it's tracks. We still have terrorists in Pakistan obviously, but at least he took the fight to them on any occasions. 100% success hasn't come, because we keep pulling back after engaging them. We have jihadis in Pakistan, but before they were 100% allied with Pakistan, whish is they did not attack internally, but Mush broke much of that bind, which increased the number of terror attacks internally. It's a natural consequence of fighting these jihadi terrorists.
Truth is that Pakistan cannot survive with these jihadis operating openly for long. Someone from the outside will come and hunt them down, unless we do it ourselves. So all these peace deals are only buying us some time, that's all.
Karzai has been making these senseless statements since he was appointed as President by Bush. Either you had your ears closed or you are just trying to defend your illegal president asusual.
When did he last warn that he was send Afghan forces into Pakistan?
the reason the tempo is being upped on pakistan is because it has made peace deals with the taliban. its called intimidation. the message is clear fight taliban or we will fight you!
gilanis statement, posted earlier, is allover the place interms of policy.
Gheelani's policy statement is one thing, the reality on the ground is another. Taliban have been handed control of the area and they have said themselves they keep attacking inside Afghanistan. So, of course the pressure from Afghan/NATO/US side will increase with these facts on the ground.
Gheelani's policy statement is one thing, the reality on the ground is another. Taliban have been handed control of the area and they have said themselves they keep attacking inside Afghanistan. So, of course the pressure from Afghan/NATO/US side will increase with these facts on the ground.
gilanis confused, pakistan are being dragged along in all this
sooner or later the taliban will have to be recognised again as a political movement in afghanistan. the US is probably happy enough to carry on chasing but all this on our doorstep is not in our interest.
what if the pashtuns currently refering to themselves as taliban are killed off? - pakistan will pay for centuries besides that the whole campaign is just sounding like a useless genocide.
You forgot to mention the Taliban's goals of fighting and spreading their anti-islamic laws and that not every pasthun is a part of their movement and many don't even support their extremism. US may leave Iraq, but they will always have some presence in this region, because they don't want a repeat of the 9/11 attacks. They will eventually go against the Taliban directly in Pakistan, because it is in their national interest. As long is Taliban remains a violent force, it must be fought. The fighting won't be easy, but the consequences of not fighting are even worse: takeover of Taliban of even more parts of Pakistan, attack on the US launched from Pakistani territory in control of Taliban and the subsequent US retaliation etc.
Since Taliabn in Pakistan are running their own parallel government with their own foreign affairs, so why even call that area as part of Pakistan, when it's in name only? Same thing for Baloch areas run by the BLA and BRA.
You forgot to mention the Taliban's goals of fighting and spreading their anti-islamic laws and that not every pasthun is a part of their movement and many don't even support their extremism. US may leave Iraq, but they will always have some presence in this region, because they don't want a repeat of the 9/11 attacks. They will eventually go against the Taliban directly in Pakistan, because it is in their national interest. As long is Taliban remains a violent force, it must be fought. The fighting won't be easy, but the consequences of not fighting are even worse: takeover of Taliban of even more parts of Pakistan, attack on the US launched from Pakistani territory in control of Taliban and the subsequent US retaliation etc.
Since Taliabn in Pakistan are running their own parallel government with their own foreign affairs, so why even call that area as part of Pakistan, when it's in name only? Same thing for Baloch areas run by the BLA and BRA.
all your points are valid concerns to some extent but more on the lines of the previous outgoing pak government. their whole approach has been a failure and therefore rightly rejected. time to think fresh even if policy is required to be changed again in the future.
^^ this is something that Mushy supporters don't get. Just killing them blindly would create more havoc in the country, they will retaliate, kill more innocents, and damage more property. There are better approaches to cut down on these islamic extremist then raiding places blindly.
^^ this is something that Mushy supporters don't get. Just killing them blindly would create more havoc in the country, they will retaliate, kill more innocents, and damage more property. There are better approaches to cut down on these islamic extremist then raiding places blindly.
definately
the little conundrum that the US may attack pakistan if pak doesnt participate has been overtaken by the possiblity of US may attack pak because it has become too unstable as a result of participation
It is easy to say they can invade Pakistan but in reality it is quite difficult despite the fact that our economy is at its worst and we are having issues with islamic militants.
Karzi must be high on something. We need to knock some common sense into his gunja head.
Yara, tenu pata nahin, but Mr. Karzai studied in Delhi or somewhere in India, I don't know and is a known sympathizer of India. He is the worst Afghan ruler for Pakistan after Dr. Najibullah.
Yeah, they shouldn't be allowed either. You know what is funny... you have never picked on them, never said a word to condemn them but since you have difference of opinion with Spock, you without thinking came up with this absurd response. Good going!
^^ let us not worry about him , special when we know he control no army, more than 60% of his country is under direct control of rebels, and remaining under the war-lords, he cannot trust Afghans as his personal body guards... come on, this guy is there just to travel across the world and beg for money ( what ever happend to so called honor of Afghan) and for this money ready to sell anything... I wonder if he visit countries just to make sure that he can get asylum...
When we were fighting them we had some successes, but than we backed down due to domestic pressure and terror attacks. Lal masjid is no longer a major den of terrorism, Mehsud too suffered some losses before the army backed down
The bottom line is that the mindless jihad of Taliban is not a proper foreign policy for Pakistan and nearly every country and the UN will pressure or threaten Pakistan soon if we don’t fight it. 100% success or even any success is not assured, but sitting back and doing nothing is just a recipe for being bombed by NATO/US.
We are going against UN resolutions if we let the cross border attacks continue into Afghanistan.
When we were fighting them we had some successes, but than we backed down due to domestic pressure and terror attacks. Lal masjid is no longer a major den of terrorism, Mehsud too suffered some losses before the army backed down
Lal Masjid is not a "major den of terrorism" but where was govt looking when it was becoming one? Ans: The other way. Govt only took action because they kidnapped Chinese people.
The bottom line is that the mindless jihad of Taliban is not a proper foreign policy for Pakistan and nearly every country and the UN will pressure or threaten Pakistan soon if we don't fight it. 100% success or even any success is not assured, but sitting back and doing nothing is just a recipe for being bombed by NATO/US.
Kicking them once in a while is not a solution too.
We are going against UN resolutions if we let the cross border attacks continue into Afghanistan.
I believe Afghanistan is guilty of the same. Their foreigners/Taliban have moved into Pakistan and are fed using the money gained by opium fields of Afghanistan.
It was dissappoint--no downright depressing to see the government being criticized for taking action against extremist talibani types. The lal masjiders were idiots, and the government was absolutely right in their judgement to deal with those terrorist scumbags. whew, that was a load of my chest hairs. :)
well here is a deal for mr kharzai.
if controllign borders is so damn easy..how about u seal your border eh?
or next time these scumbags that came from your country and are hiding in pakistan cross back into your country, prevent them from going back and do whatever you want with em.
