Re: Karachi’s business is dying at the hands of extortionists (and police and governm
I just read that the strike call has been postponed by FPCCI after assurances.
KARACHI: Karachi’s business community has shelved a mega-strike it called against extortion after receiving an assurance from Governor Sindh Dr Isharat-ul-Ibad of a decisive blow to the menace, Geo News reported.
The Federation of Pakistan Chambers of Commerce and Industry (FPCCI) postponed the strike for the next fifteen days.
This news item doesn’t tell us how Ishrat can give a “decisive blow to the menace”. Would he be able to stop political appointments? How can this menace stop if accomplices of the extortionists continue to be in the police force?
I don’t understand this.
Re: Karachi's business is dying at the hands of extortionists (and police and governm
Again, you are looking to blame and abuse MQM when the problem lies somewhere else......
You are calling everyone 'biased' and stuff as soon as they write the sacred word 'MQM'. You were all cool and dandy when I bashed PPP in my several posts WITHIN this thread including issue of giving out jobs to jiyalas. As soon as someone mentioned MQM, you come out all guns defending the goons. Saying that MQM is irrelevant to law and order discussion in Karachi is same as saying Taliban are irrelevant to law and order situation in FATA. Sure there are other major elements in Karachi who are causing all this extortion trouble but defending the original culprits like that is not being objective.
Re: Karachi's business is dying at the hands of extortionists (and police and governm
You are calling everyone 'biased' and stuff as soon as they write the sacred word 'MQM'. You were all cool and dandy when I bashed PPP in my several posts WITHIN this thread including issue of giving out jobs to jiyalas. As soon as someone mentioned MQM, you come out all guns defending the goons.
The choice of your words particularly for MQM shows your bias. Another expression of what you are.
Secondly, when you were talking about PPP giving jobs to jiyalas then I did not disagree with you. That is exactly what traders are saying and that is what IG Sindh himself said. Who else do you think has powers to make political appointments in Sindh, if not PPP?
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Saying that MQM is irrelevant to law and order discussion in Karachi is same as saying Taliban are irrelevant to law and order situation in FATA.
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That's where your ta'assub shows off. Taliban are the root cause of situation in FATA. But current situation in Karachi is not relevant to MQM rather it is due to nexus between politicalized police and their patronized gangs.
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Time to reflect on who is biased and who is not.
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Re: Karachi's business is dying at the hands of extortionists (and police and governm
The choice of your words particularly for MQM shows your bias. .....
It is not bias. It is a fact. You, yourself have admitted that they have been involved in bhatta khori (which you call 'forced chanda'). If I call them goons, that is based on years of ghunda gardi by the 'party'. There is loads and loads of evidence of MQM's criminal activities. If you do not believe that, it is your choice.
Re: Karachi’s business is dying at the hands of extortionists (and police and governm
Well, if you want to use this thread for MQM bashing then it is your choice. Like I said, MQM is not a party of angels.
My point right from the start is that this thread is about Karachi business dying at the hands of extortionists. This phenomenon started only a few years back. Now we need to understand who these extortionists are. And if they do not belong to MQM then simply bringing MQM name for fun is the expression of bias.
Re: Karachi's business is dying at the hands of extortionists (and police and governm
.... Karachi business dying at the hands of extortionists. ...... And if they do not belong to MQM ......
That is your assumption and I do not agree with it. This is not bias. Your insisting that MQM has nothing to do with extortion is bias and closed-mindedness.
Thanks. Don't want to go in circles again with your closed perspectives. Bye.
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That is your assumption and I do not agree with it.
If MQM is responsible for this current mayhem and protests then why have these protests only recently? Isn't it that MQM workers have been collecting money for 20+ years?
What do you say about that?
Yes, we will go in circles if we don't establish who is responsible for forcing traders come out on streets and give strike calls.
Re: Karachi's business is dying at the hands of extortionists (and police and governm
Why do you want to make it an MQM-bashing thread? This topic is about Karachi business dying at the hands of extortionists. But instead of talking about the reasons why it is happening, you continue to bring other non-relevant factors in the discussion?!
Is MQM bashing more important than helping Karachi?
The thing is extortion was introduced in Karachi by mqm itself, as far as i know their rank and file are still collecting bhatta. Therefore when they raise voice against their own main source of revenue it seems very hollow.
When during the past few years pashtuns started dying, poor people, laborers, i was fearful that if they respond the situation will get out of control. The tactics of mqm forced pashtuns to unite under the banner of anp, the same anp which couldn't even secure one seat in the city has become a major stake holder thanks to them. In 2008, pashtuns had their votes registered in record numbers to vote for anp.
Anyways they are sitting with people's party in both federal and provincial governments and still crying wolf? Why don't the resign and come out openly on this issue?
A few days back Director education kmc was killed and the media tried to portray it as a murder related to his job, but his relatives ( i know his son very well) claims he has been killed by mqm since he was a pashtun, now his younger son is being threatened.
Re: Karachi's business is dying at the hands of extortionists (and police and governm
Well, here is the problem(^_^) we need to discuss Karachi not all sindh. And I feel uneasy that MQM also not doing much and watching the town going away in deep hole of destruction. MQM must come forward with more clear visions regarding current situation. About law and order unfortunately MQM don't have full authorities to face the situation.
Unfortunately mqm cannot absolve themselves from this matter as they are part of the government.
Re: Karachi's business is dying at the hands of extortionists (and police and governm
That's where your ta'assub shows off. Taliban are the root cause of situation in FATA. But current situation in Karachi is not relevant to MQM rather it is due to nexus between politicalized police and their patronized gangs.
Do you want to say that mqm has no role in the poor law and order situation of the city? Do they have any responsibility being in the provincial government, and the biggest stake holder of the city?
Re: Karachi's business is dying at the hands of extortionists (and police and governm
MQM has been in bhatta-khori business for I don't remember how long, may be 18-20 years? But it never went out of control this much. Situation in Karachi is REALLY bad, so bad that even qurbani animals are not safe from being victim of bhatta-khori. IG Sindh gave a statement that no qurbani animal was killed and I could not stop laughing at such idiotic statement from "IG".
MQM is torch-bearer of bhatta-khori business, but creation of Aman Committee by Zulfiqar Mirza has threatened MQM's position as bhatta-leader. There are reports that the recent factory fires were result of the same too.
Situation is unbelievably horrible. Lyari gangs has started to reach MQM's strongholds in search of their victims who used to do business in now-Lyari-gang-jurisdiction.
The problem as everyone guessed is complex; it involves police, rangers and political parties both PPP and MQM while ANP also has its hands in the honey-river but share is small. I have many many examples of victims looted, victims go to police then police either turn them away 'ooper se order nahi aya investigation ka' or in case of pedestrian/non-business-person victim police harass the victim even further.
Bro i Agree with you that the situation has deteriorated due to politicisation of police. Add to this the three Main stake holders treat It as Their jageer. This thing needs to go, we need to understand that every Pakistani has the right to stay where ever he wants, it's the era Of globalization where distances between countries have diminished. Within the country we should be prepared to compete with others and learn the act of surviving. By force no one will wrest the control of the city but it's for sure that the city will get destroyed.
Re: Karachi's business is dying at the hands of extortionists (and police and governm
MQM has been in bhatta-khori business for I don't remember how long, may be 18-20 years? But it never went out of control this much. Situation in Karachi is REALLY bad, so bad that even qurbani animals are not safe from being victim of bhatta-khori. IG Sindh gave a statement that no qurbani animal was killed and I could not stop laughing at such idiotic statement from "IG".
MQM is torch-bearer of bhatta-khori business, but creation of Aman Committee by Zulfiqar Mirza has threatened MQM's position as bhatta-leader. There are reports that the recent factory fires were result of the same too.
Situation is unbelievably horrible. Lyari gangs has started to reach MQM's strongholds in search of their victims who used to do business in now-Lyari-gang-jurisdiction.
The problem as everyone guessed is complex; it involves police, rangers and political parties both PPP and MQM while ANP also has its hands in the honey-river but share is small. I have many many examples of victims looted, victims go to police then police either turn them away 'ooper se order nahi aya investigation ka' or in case of pedestrian/non-business-person victim police harass the victim even further.
I am almost agree about your observations regarding the karachi situtation, but one thing is not happening more is Forced Chanda by MQM, we have history of in past when party was not organized and youths were out of control to do what they want. Now peoples giving them chanda as per there own wishe coz there is a lot of great work done by MQM.
Re: Karachi's business is dying at the hands of extortionists (and police and governm
I am almost agree about your observations regarding the karachi situtation, but one thing is not happening more is Forced Chanda by MQM, we have history of in past when party was not organized and youths were out of control to do what they want. Now peoples giving them chanda as per there own wishe coz there is a lot of great work done by MQM.
forced chanda still exists, you think of it as "willing" chanda but that is because it has been going on for so long now that people stopped resisting. Do you believe that if "parchi" is not given to a shop-keeper then he will walk into the MQM sector office and say "you forgot to collect chanda from me, so I came to give it"? The difference is that bhatta collected from shop keepers was manageable and they were not "killed" for
not giving but tortured enough to survive and give next time. Lyari gang started to kill to look superior and stronger, hopefully this will wake up everyone to eliminate all bhatta khori once for all.