Karachi violence (MERGED)

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*Originally posted by Haris Zuberi: *
and at last i think the only way this could be controolled by the govt is for Gen Mush to put Karachi directly under Lt. Gen. Ahsan Saleem Hayat Corp Commander V Corps. there should be Curfew installed. No rangers, no police, just the regular Army. a few months that way will bring a lot back to normal. otherwise it will only get worse...
yesterday afew analysts on Tv said there were a few option like changing the CM or Governor. That would be insanity right now, and will definitely lead to politcial violence. we dont need that cherry topping right now.
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^ Exactly

The random monkeyboys on the street know that the Rangers, Police cant really do much against a mob in a city that ois on fire. This is no time to play around with these criminals, and in order for the city to get back to normal we have to take strong measures. By become reactive, the govt is letting things go bad to worse.

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The mullahs who advocate ‘takfeer’ of Shia Muslims be jailed immediately and tried in ATCs, and barred from holding membership of parliament or legislatures. Sitting members of assemblies and other famous ‘scholars’ who have published the fatwa of takfeer of Shia Muslims include Maulana Samiul Haq, Hafiz Hussain Ahmed, Maulana Abdul Ghafoor, Maulana Maula Bakhsh, Maulana Muhammad Ayub Khan Binori and Mufti Nizamuddin Shamzai.


http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_31-5-2004_pg3_1

Mufti Shamzai was the main creator of Jaish-e-Mohammad.

I am one person who predicted all these events!!!

My friends in Sindh had told me not to travel to Karachi in june-july because they sensed an eruption of violence and political changes in India would make the Visa getting some difficult.

(Indeed,I had put it in one of my posts in a similar thread)...

One of our company sales agents in Thatta, told me there could be suicide attacks in the mid of june and july and this could target minority religious shrines.

Anyway,its sad to see my favourite city is in flames..

I can only say like someone said during Hindu-Muslim riots in 1947...

`It sems these people have become mad'..........

Do not blame RAW or mossad for these kinds of mad attacks........

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*Originally posted by dark_knite: *
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Except Pakistan , Indian relations with all Muslims countries are more or less friendly . Infact , some Muslim countries are more friendly to India than Pakistan .
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yea thats right, but when was india friendly to Pakistani-shias.???
and same goes to US do they love shias??? means they love Iran???

Ulema see US, Jewish lobbies’ hand in terrorism

KARACHI, June 1: Noted ulema and other prominent figures at a condolence meeting held to pay homage to Mufti Nizamuddin Shamzai at Jamiatul Uloom Al-Islamia, Binnori Town, here on Tuesday , endorsed the call given by the Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal for a day of protest and peaceful strike on Friday.

The protest day would be observed against the assassination of Mufti Shamzai in a terrorist attack on Wednesday. Speakers at the meeting appealed to the people to join in the nation wide peaceful strike to demonstrate that they stood against terrorism and the hostile forces’ nefarious designs aimed at undermining Islam.

They held the US and Jewish lobbies responsible for the elimination of great Ummah leaders one after the other as well as for acts of terrorism targeted at mosques and Imambargahs. Lackeys of rulers, they said, were trying to give the bombings at places of worship a sectarian colour in line with the US agenda.

Stressing the need for keeping an eye on certain multinational companies, NGOs and missionary institutions, they described the arrest of opposition activists and supporters in such cases as ‘provocation’.

They told the government to uphold the sanctity of funeral rites and make sure that use of force, like teargas shelling, firing, lathicharge etc., was avoided during such processions.

The meeting adopted a resolution which paid glowing tribute to the services of Mufti Shamzai in spreading knowledge and promoting jihad and tableegh, besides providing a great deal of assistance to oppressed people in Islamic world.

Those who spoke at the meeting included Dr Abdul Razzaq Iskandar, Qari Muhammad Osman, Hazrat Bilal, Dr Azizuddin, Maulana Aminuddin Shamzai, Maulana Taqiuddin Shamzai, Maulana Omar Sadiq, Maulana Ehsanullah Hazarvi, Hafiz Muhammad Taqi, Dr Mairajul Huda Siddiqui, Maulana Abdul Karim Abid, Mufti Muhammad Jamil Khan, Mufti Osmanyar Khan, Maulana Himadullah Shah, Maulana Saeed Iskandar, Maulana Saeed Ahmad Jalali, Maulana Nazeer Ahmad Taunsvi, Maulana Suleman Binnori, Maulana Khan Muhammad Rabbani, Nasrullah Shaji, Qari Attiqur Rehman, Maulana Azizur Rehman and Qari Sher Afzal.

http://www.dawn.com/2004/06/02/nat10.htm

Irem Ji aka ~NiQ@Bi~,

Kya Hua Irem Ji,

Did the Cat get your Tounge,

No Offence meant!!!

Just wanted to see and Understand your Response,

regards,

Aejaz

Hi Irem :wave:
why the other nick?

Aejaz,
i think there is an external hand to this too. the reason being that many ppl do strongly believe, for good reason, that this entire turning of guns against muslims all over the world has been a mega conspiracy of the enemies of Islam. we all remember how there were no Jews at the WTC, how a few jews were arrested from a high rise in NY laughing and videotaping the event. all that was burried by the powers. and if you think reasonably, its hard to imagine how planes could have gone missing and no fighter planes were sent after them. the radars trace all movements, so the airdefense, FBI, CIA and the hundred of other US intelligence agenices had no clue what was goiing on? even after they entered the NY and DC airspace? and did you know, at the pentagon, no one was ‘killed’!
so if this whole episode has been a plan to justify killing muslims, making them fight each other, occupying their lands, then there seesm to be no reason not to believe that they are the ones who create local unrest in strong Muslim countries, Pak included. we can diffrentiate between jihadi action and anti muslim action through our own reasoning. a muslim doesnt bomb a mosque or kill a scholar who has no enemies…these are ways to make muslims fight each oother. that would cause unrest here locally with shia sunni killings, or political rivals killing each other, and make the govt topple. that would put a total halt to pakistans current rapid development stance. all prosperity would cease for good. same will happen if Mush gets killed…so it really doesnt seem very unlikely that antiPak, anti uslim elemnts are invloved in this stuff, including the attacks on Mush. and they are under the cover of general extremism and jihadi action. ppl get deceived.

Hey Haris :wave:
yaar woh bas was getting bored with irem and plus my post rate was going above 30 and was making me look like i had no life [which i dont but still :smiley: ] so i decided to use my other nick :smooth: :smiley:

Aejaz lolz nai ji aisi koi baat nai :smiley: anyways, yes u r right, we do have a problem of an extremist minority.

IS this all so called prove u have…
difference of opinion is one thing but promoting hatred is other ..and mufti sahib was not one of those who promoted hatred…

yes he was the most vocal supporters of jihad and may be this was the reason he was assissinated

He was a religious scholar alright...

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Mufti Shamzai was head of the Banuri complex in Karachi. He was rated the most powerful man in Pakistan during the Taliban rule of Mullah Umar in Afghanistan. One investigator of jihad wrote in the 1999s that Mullah Umar and Osama bin Laden met for the first time in Banuri mosque under the tutelage of Mufti Shamzai. Among his 2,000 fatwas the most well known was the one he gave against America in October 2001 declaring jihad after the Americans decided to attack Afghanistan. He had earlier in 1999 already deemed it within the rights of the Muslims to kill Americans on sight. (The fatwa was later modified in explanation.) He was patron of the foremost Deobandi jihadi outfit Harkat-ul Mujahideen. In 1999, after his release from an Indian jail, Maulana Masood Azhar, a top pupil of Mufti Sahib, walked out of Harkat and formed his own organisation (now banned-for-terrorism) Jaish-e Muhammad. Shamzai was clearly inclined to favour Masood Azhar and became a member of the Jaish ‘shura’ (governing council). He was already a member of the ‘shura’ of Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Islam (JUI) of Maulana Fazlur Rehman.

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The rise and fall of the MQM-Haqiqis

I wonder if the powers that be will be using the haqiqis again if the provincial government is sacked?

NEWSLINE

In an ironic change of fortune, Afaq Ahmed Khan, chief of the breakaway faction of the Mohajir Qaumi Movement, the Haqiqi group, was arrested in the early hours of the morning on April 3 in Karachi. For 16 months he had been dodging the same security forces that orchestrated his and his small band of militants’ victorious parade into the city on June 19, 1992 in official vehicles, and who patronised his party for almost a decade.

      From wanted MQM militant to the establishment's protegé to prisoner facing scores of criminal charges, Khan's roller coaster political career is a telling saga of how our security establishment and its agencies often create, use, and then unceremoniously, often callously, dump politicians, workers and militants alike. Afaq Ahmed Khan - a man from a lower middle class Karachi family - is a prime example of such machinations.

      In the typical fashion of Pakistani politics, the establishment of the time tried to reconstruct Karachi's political structure, setting the stage for one of the bloodiest eras in Karachi's history, during which thousands of people were killed. Khan's small faction of the MQM Haqiqi was cobbled together by the authorities in the early '90s by galvanising dissidents of the mainstream Mohajir Qaumi Movement, considered at that point to be the biggest security risk by the agencies and police alike.

      With the launch of 1992's notorious operation clean-up against the Altaf Hussain-led original MQM, the MQM Haqiqi seized key neighbourhoods seen as the power-base of "mohajir politics" backed by security personnel.

       Within hours, the MQM (Altaf) group had been displaced - even if just temporarily - albeit only to be replaced by the MQM Haqiqi whose credentials and modus operandi were equally, if not more suspect than its parent organisation's. In the dark years that followed - under former premiers Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto - hit-and-run killings, kidnappings, deaths by torture and extra-judicial executions by law-enforcement agencies became the order of the day, as the two factions of the MQM slugged it out on Karachi's streets and the establishment went for the MQM (Altaf)'s jugular.

        Though the party was badly shaken and jolted, lost many of its front-line leaders and was even forced to change its name to the Muttahida Qaumi Movement on July 27, 1997, it survived the onslaught because of its grassroots support and massive organisational network.

        Nonetheless, all the while it remained out of official favour, even as the establishment turned a blind eye to the Haqiqi group's antics, which included the violation of virtually every rule of law.

    *    However, while neighbourhoods including Landhi, Malir, and for several years Lines Area and Liaquatabad remained under the control of the Haqiqi group, despite the best efforts of the establishment of that time and the group's attempts to enter into alliances with other parties - including hard-line Sunni Muslim groups - they failed to win any popular support and performed poorly in the elections. *

        Status quo continued for several years, but after the coup of October 1999, the new government launched an initiative to halt the cycle of violence between the two rival groups. However the MQM (Altaf) was still not seen to be trustworthy enough to be allowed a free hand in the city. And when the MQM boycotted the local elections, the Jamaat-e-Islami-backed local government filled the void.

       A gradual change in fortunes for the Haqiqi began following the October 2002 general elections, in which the MQM (Altaf) - despite some upsets - dominated the urban areas of Sindh, while the Haqiqi managed to win only a lone provincial assembly seat.

        Direly in need of the MQM (Altaf)'s support to bolster its position, the government did an about-turn and started turning the screws on its protege. In the first phase of this change of policy, the Haqiqi offices were shut down and a crackdown on its militants was launched. Soon after, it apparently dawned on the administration that the famous White House or Bait-ul Hamza in Landhi - the Haqiqi headquarters - was an illegal construction. Bulldozers and workers moved to pull it down, as the top brass of the Haqiqi went into hiding.

       According to sources, the authorities offered top leaders a safe passage out of the country. However, Afaq Khan refused the offer, apparently in the misplaced belief that his utility for the establishment was not over.

        Meanwhile, the MQM (Altaf), part of the federal government as well as the major coalition partner in Sindh's provincial government, kept the pressure up on the establishment to take the Haqiqi leadership to task and completely wind up the group's operations, failing which it threatened to pull out of the government.

       Finally, in a slow-paced operation, the police arrested more than 750 Haqiqi workers and leaders before ultimately throwing the dragnet around Afaq Ahmed Khan.

        "Had the top leaders of the party been arrested in the first swoop, it would have meant trouble in the city," said a police official. "So the government strategists went for party supporters first. And as we saw, there was hardly a violent reaction to Afaq's arrest." 

        With Khan's arrest a long-standing demand of the MQM had finally been accepted. Following this, Altaf Hussain, the MQM's self-exiled leader, announced clemency for MQM dissidents who had joined the Haqiqi group and their families, and urged his workers not to target them.

        Does this mean the turf war between the MQM (Altaf) and the MQM Haqiqi is over? For the time being it seems to be. As long as the MQM (Altaf)'s alliance with the government lasts, Afaq Ahmed Khan and his men are likely to stay in the safe custody of prison. But given the vagaries and quirks of Pakistani politics, this honeymoon could end in a blink. Meanwhile, the now resuscitated MQM (Altaf) should make the best use of this time, and the opportunity presented it to make amends for the past. It may not be able to undo the damage done, but it can contribute substantially to bring peace to the beleaguered city of Karachi and the urban areas of Sindh.

this is so sickening..the whole mqm haqiqi mqm altaf tussle...all these political parties have done NOTHING for the ppl...in fact the poor people have really sufferred because of this...right now MMA has the city govt but they cant do much either b/c of MQM...

there is so much political division in the city that it has become a serious impediment...why dont they just ban the MQM like they banned lashkar-e-jhangvi, in fact they should just bring army rule into the city. that'd be the best

i am urdu speaking but even i say that kill all the MQM leaders both altaf and haqiqi because of the terror and killings that they bought to the citizens of karachi. i remember the times that 10-15 deaths in one day due to terror activities by mqm were so common it was considered normal. bring that ******* from uk and hang him from one of the talwars of teen talwar

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
You play with fire and you get burned. Karachi ends up suffering due to the power games of mullahs and generals.
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Buddy its not only Mullah vs generals......its the old MQM vote bank vs scatered religious supporters (who are now united under MMA's banner).

I highly suspect that its MQM behind killings of Ulema and bombing of Mosques in Karachi to make their rivals look ugly. MQM is good at it, they have no mercy for anyone. And who knows if Pervy is backing them up to do this task for the time being and then crush MQM as well later on (I pray it happens before they do more damage to the city).

Some sources say, the recent defeat of MQM in the bi-elections has triggered this secetrarian volience in city for the aforementioned reasons. The writing on the wall is that MQM has lost its popularity in the city and chances are that they will barely be able to save Azizabad's seat only in the next election.

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*Originally posted by bao bihari: *
IS this all so called prove u have....
difference of opinion is one thing but promoting hatred is other ..and mufti sahib was not one of those who promoted hatred.....

yes he was the most vocal supporters of jihad and may be this was the reason he was assissinated

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hay bro Bao Bihari ! you are sitting here.. why you left Religion Forum. I thought you are away from computer these days because of your studies. please email me @ [email protected] missing u. :-) Wasalam

the MQM thread shouldnt have been merged here.

the MQM problems are a whole diff dimension, and perhaps they are blamed for much more than they are responsible for. right now their govt is doing OK in karachi. Yes, the law and order is out of control, but thats in no ones cotrol these days. their removal or digging up of old graves at this crucial time is only inviting useless trouble and unrest. unfortunately many mediamen in pakistan have little sense of timing and dont realize often how significant their articles can be for the shaping of political events.

Haris, sahi baat ke hai apney. The propaganda against MQM has been so successful that even mohajirs have started to believe in it. If MQM is a terrorist party, then what are the gun totting ghundas of Jamaat-i-Islami, PPP, and PML? The backstabbing of the establishment against mohajirs has perhaps no parallel in modern history of post WWII nation states. This Haqiqi terrorist group was created by the government and now mohajris everywhere are blamed for its evils.

I have even heard high level government people blaming the recent terrorist attacks on Shias as done by "Hindu agents of MQM". Some people have no shame.

Pakistan declares security zones around foreign missions in Karachi

Reminds of the “Green Zone” in Baghdad. It’s good the police is looking after the foreign missions in Karachi. The hell with the local people.

Pakistan declares security zones around foreign missions in Karachi

Mon Jun 7, 8:27 AM ET

KARACHI (AFP) - Authorities declared “high security zones” around foreign missions in violence-hit Karachi, Pakistan’s largest city, after 51 people were killed in a month of bloodshed and three days of riots.

“We have decided to bring certain areas which remained under constant threat from the terrorists like the US consulate and other foreign missions under high security zones,” Karachi police chief Tariq Jamil told AFP on Monday.

God help karachians.
and God save karachi!

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*Originally posted by Badayuni: *
Haris, sahi baat ke hai apney. The propaganda against MQM has been so successful that even mohajirs have started to believe in it. If MQM is a terrorist party, then what are the gun totting ghundas of Jamaat-i-Islami, PPP, and PML? The backstabbing of the establishment against mohajirs has perhaps no parallel in modern history of post WWII nation states. This Haqiqi terrorist group was created by the government and now mohajris everywhere are blamed for its evils.

I have even heard high level government people blaming the recent terrorist attacks on Shias as done by "Hindu agents of MQM". Some people have no shame.
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Ahhhhhhhh! Old MQM BS from 80s.
MQM is not a solution for Mohajirs. They better be with a mainstream nation-wide right wing political party. If there is none.....as I see it.....create one from educated class....gather all the technocrates and intellectuals from across the country. Remain unarmed and calm, promote peace and tolerance. I think nobody can make such a big difference in contamenated political atmosphere of Pakistan other than Karachites.