Karachi turning into a ghetto?

Have a look at the latest population update - Current population: 14.5 million (considered to be more than that), Area: 3,527 sq. km, Population increase: 5% per year. Oh my God, how will we have to plan our city? Does anyone think that at such a rate of pop. increase (take in account the current pop. as well) Karachi will be able to accomodate that many people properly. Is there any other way for many people to live their lives other than in slum belts and poverty? Also take in account the growing rates of expenses and pollution. I’m against abortions and all that stuff but perhaps a little sexual abstinence will help to stabilize the situation; we definitely need to take some efficient city planning actions.

  • Restrict land owning to one plot per lineage (maternal lineage of a person, starting from great grandfather, then grandfather and so on). It’s okay if you add more habitable floors to your house and so all family members can live peacefully and in privacy.
  • Encourage condominium/apartment living! Make tall residential buildings so we don’t have to clear more land for living space. In general, we really need efficient space conservation.
  • Do something to reduce pollution. Plant greenery (big trees in particular) here and there; promote land owners to plant their gardens with big trees and help themselves. Not only does this better the quality of living it also stabilizes the natural beauty of our city. Also, don’t forget to register any kind of fuel-using vehicles and mandate frequent check-ups on them. Recycling should be vigorously promoted as well.
  • Encourage public transportation. Boost up the bills for personal transportation (cars, motorcycles etc.) so that people are automatically discouraged from using cars. And for God’s sake implement an uniform, organized, proper, pollution-free public transportation system. This might also encourage walking and cycling.
  • Increase the standard of public education. Encourage people to regularly pay their taxes and discourage private education… since many of the low-income people of the city can’t afford private education and many good teachers go for private schools in search of a better income. Also, definitely do offer some health care plans.
  • Now last but definitely not least–increase job opportunities! There are definitely lots of things need to be done (mostly by labor people) so why not recruit some of the low-income people of the city (via volunteers or similar campaign) and give them some labor job (environmental cleaning, painting buildings etc.) for a decent salary (at this point even 5,000-10,000 Rs./month will be decent for them). Give them accomodation in a decent building free for the first year, and let them pay all their bills (gas, electric, water, residence) for the second and third year, this way no one suffers and do make them sign a contract that they live in the building for at least 3 or so years so they don’t take advantage of you!
    Basically the reason I so highly stressed the last point is that we do need lots of things to get going–from construction to roadside planting–and we have the people for it who are otherwise earning by illegitimate shoddy businesses. We just need to organize all those people. But one question still remains to be answered - Where will the money come from? Zakaat, charity if they are well organized… and I think we really should impose some kind of a special “poor people” tax on wealthy people so they can actually make some good use of their money.

I know that I missed out many topics but I just wrote what came immediately in my mind and what I felt were the most important in my view. However, a sinking feeling that I have is that unless we take these basic steps… Karachi might be turning into a ghetto.

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It has already turned into a ghetto and safe haven for criminals, drug and arm dealers, land grabers, bhatta takers.... list goes on and on. No place in Karachi is clean and safe.

FARID

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Hail Altaf
Hail Musharraf

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:rotfl:

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Only BB can save Karachi and rest of Pakistan.

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I honestly think that Pakistan need 6 more cities... a little away from the exisitng centres.. definitely it will take time for the population to start moving out, but if they are given all the facilities, from utility to factories and other necessities of life then there is no reason they will not attract people. In reality a city of population above 5 million pose just too many problems...

so they need to make new cities, properly planned (thats a tough thing to ask for from the govt.) and make them for the middle class not for the elitist like Islamabad.. and put a new a ban on constructing new buildings in Lahore and Karachi atleast...

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HOW? First she has to get rid of that idiot husband of hers Mr.10%.

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An excellent idea indeed if you ask me, but let me remind you of something. The kind of cities you're talking about are already made--even if on a smaller scale (ever heard of Bahria Town Projects and all that stuff on TV?), and the only way in which they stray away from your requirements is that they are made on the outskirts of the existing centres (I know of Karachi and Lahore so far). They are made with all the necessary requirements for their intended tenants, which includes a healthy green environment, schools, shopping centres, clean water, electricity, gas etc. all available without problems.

But then the problem is what kind of public are these projects aimed at. Perhaps you are underestimating the middle-class, they still have decent access to electricity and water... at least after installing generators and filters. The lower-class who live in slum belts and ghettos are the ones who need these facilities. One possibility is what I call "climbing the ladder," i.e. the upper class (Clifton/Defence) move to these new projects, the middle class (Nazimabad/F.B. Area) moves to Clifton/Defence, and the lower class (slum belts/Malir/Lyari) move to Nazimabad/F.B. Area etc. Then the lower class areas can be re-established and turned into organized commercial/ industrial/ residential areas as well.

However, the costs of middle class areas have now risen so high that middle class people rarely consider buying anything above that level, and the lower class people stay stagnant for pretty much the same reasons. Firstly, the prices of these accomodations need to be lowered somehow, and that's where most of us come to a stop. Another possiblity is that we nuke the existing areas and make completely new cities away from the existing centres, like Xcom_Cheetah mentioned... however the latter is likely to cost more, and for now the best solution would be to organize and make the existing infrastructure as efficient and better as possible. Possible factors that can help is controlling the population growth and conserving space, as I mentioned in my title post.

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retroguy pretty good ideas, I guess we will have money for this if the haram khor qaum starts paying income taxes rather than make excuses for why they dont pay them :)

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karachi was turned into a ghetto in the 80's courtesy of Zia sahab, not that BB and nawaz did anything more.

the city was a militarized zone for a number of years withc= checkposts and what nots everywhere.

so lets not just stop the list at hail altaf and hail musharraf...many other nangau and nangiaan in this hamaam :)

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I totally agree with you that they will cost a lot more... But there are couple of reason due to which i think we should go towards creating new cities all together.

1- The current projects are just in the outskirts and within 5 years they become part of the city... now the lahore is so stretched all over the place that it creates problem managing it... I mean the centre of the Lahore is Mall Road an now if u have only to make twice there for tax reason or other legal reason then its equal to making an out of city travelling for these locality ppl.

2- Plus it increase the cost of providing services also.. like any road less than 4 lane wide gets all jammed up during the day... Similarly larger swerage lines are required, so there is an added cost there too, similarly bigger exchanges will be required. I read in some paper that the cost of managing larger matropoliton is 100 time more. like if it cost 10 ruppee to provide a telephone connection in a city of size less than 1 million pop. then it will cost 1000 ruppee to provide same service in the city of size greater than 5 million ppl. (I don't know the exact sizes of the cities they used).

3- environmental effect is getting too much in big centres, like lahore doesn't have any access to clean air... when the city is small the surrounding clean atmosphere defuse quickly into the city atmosphere to keep it pleasant, not so any more in lahore.

Lastly the cost of doing business in metropolitan like Khi has gone up too, which reduces the new enterprises and so the economic growth suffers, and gulf between rich and poor widens, If u create new cities, there will be less rent, more oppurtunities for setting up bzness and more economic activity. If you look around in Karachi and Lahore then u will find that most of the big bznessmen created money by purchasing and selling land(property), which doesn't create industry (cuz they r just buying land not constructing buildings on it) and deprive the oppurtunity for others who want to do some bzness cuz the inital setup cost of the bzness has gone soo much up..

starting building new cities now, the planning department can introduce latest technologies and requirements which resident want, like they plan for underground wiring, they can plan for parking, they can plan for tube trains and it will cost a lot less to implement them at a new place then to bring these facilities in the existing metropolitan. Lastly i think a new city should be atleast 50 km away from any existing town... so that they have their own agricultural fields and industrial area and don't depends on existing cities.

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^^ You have some really good points up there, but let me answer point-to-point on how we can still better the existing infrastructure in comparison to building completely new cities.

1. Screw city management, if we don't have an established city and an incompetent governance is at the helm then I just don't see how are we going to organize our city. Even New York started off as a trading port, and as its pop. grew so did the city, but still how did they manage to organize it? I know that Karachi has a significantly larger pop. but the govt. can still expand the city and manage it properly if the city is planned out properly. However, by the time organized areas are made (e.g. Bahria Town), the slum belts set up right behind them eventually demean their purpose. It's the slums that are causing these problems, I don't believe that any city should have unauthorized slum belts.

2. As far as traffic is concerned, it's all about planning. Okay maybe it will take some months' patience, but the advantages are huge... few of such projects have already been built in Karachi and have been successful (the police shouldn't give an inch of leniency to disruptions in order to allow more to be built).
Bigger sewerage lines will be needed in cities but they're an easier way to go with in comparison to building new sewerage lines in remote areas. Again it's all about planning here as well; however, the focal point in sewerage lines should be that they are not pollutive... and if proper water treatment plants are installed no matter how large the sewers are the environment still won't take the brunt of the consequences.
As far as costs are concerned, I think we should impose monthly costs on water, electricity and gas like the United Arab Emirates does; it helps in creating consumption awareness amongst the public (especially for countries lacking in natural resources). Another factor that affects costs is how difficult is it to transport energy into the intended area, and that will be significantly reduced if we have proper infrastructure planning.

3. Yes environmental effect is definitely a huge problem and I in no ways underestimate it. But once everything is planned out properly and the slums are demolished it will be significantly reduced. If we encourage public transport and have vehicular emission check-ups regularly, our environment would benefit immensely. Factories should be installed with pollution control technology (biofilters, scrubbers etc.) as well as certain congested areas of the city. Trees and greenery are a dire necessity. Even though I am from Karachi I heard that Lahore is doing very good in terms of improving the environment.
And as far as you are talking about building new cities, wouldn't it mean clear natural habitats for human settlement? We have sick natural habitats and great flora and fauna, and I think that in that means at least 40% of our land should be left intact. Plus we should really be considerate of our beautiful wildlife... in cities that would just mean stray catchers and spaying/neutering of dogs and cats, as well as an active operation of a wildlife association that should be supported by the govt. In rural areas it would be relatively more difficult because of their solitude.

I think the govt. should impose a ban on businessman on owning land property for self-beneficial commercial purposes, as well as the many upper-class people who do so. On the other hand construction companies should be promoted... particularly those who want to build residential buildings, as a decent reasonably-priced bldg. can be a quick solution for our lower-class pop. The govt. should also help in stabilizing the cost of doing business.

Whereas I am not outright opposing the ideas of building new cities, I think it is much better and a far quicker solution if we correct the existing infrastructure (and perhaps also more environmentally-friendly if organized well)

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As far I remember in my childhood, Karachi could be very well compared with Mississauga of Canada or Philadelphia of USA. And know it has become biggest "Bhanghi Para" of the world.

  1. Sewers oozing almost anywhere you go
  2. Polluction and filth spread over almost every area
  3. Traffic Jams every where
  4. Mixing of sewer with drinking water is the norm of the day
  5. Footpahts and parks occupied by encroachers and illegal hawkers 6 No parking where ever you go
  6. Replacing beautiful houses in to ugly, disproportion, dangerous multi-storey buildings with no water, parking with oozing sewers
  7. go to posh area such as Bath Island, the stink you smell would make you vomit
  8. Broken and excavated roads 10.Once beautiful parks, now evil shaped and ugly structures

This list goes on and on

Karachi is permanently damaged and defaced. Karachi can not be revived as it was originally at partition, 50's, 60's and 70's. I curse those who have done irreparable damage to once beautiful and clean city converted in to 'Silent Hill', hell on earth.

FARID

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^^ Hain? How come you are comparing Karachi to Mississauga, or Philadelphia (although I haven't been to Philadelphia). I live in Mississauga and find it to be quite the exact opposite of Karachi. And honestly I find that nothing that you mentioned in your points is in Mississauga (at least not in today's Mississauga)... so quit the comparison. And sorry to break your thoughts, but Karachi can still be resurrected, albeit with a dedicated just government and intelligent city planning.

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retroguy02,

Have you seen Karachi of yester years? If you were old enough in 70's than you could realize what I am talking about. If you were not born than your comments are unintelligible. Look for Karachi during 1947, 50, 60 and 70's see the old photographs and than you realize what I am talking about?

FARID

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Farid

as somone who saw karachi in the 70s and 80s and then lived in Philadelphia for 5 years, I dispute your comparison.

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If the military budget is cut down a few few percent there will be enogh money to build new locations....but good luck with that idea with army in power!

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"Haram khor" pakistanis would wet their chuddis when hit with tax bills. They need to put their money where their mouths are.

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What is the point paying taxes knowing it is stolen by a few powers to be

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You might be right then, although even now numerous plans are underway to return Karachi into a stabilized, modern state… so have some hope. Some of these projects have already been done and have been successful as expected.


On another note, environment is also being strongly considered by the new city govt. (Mustafa Kamal & Co.), and a ban has been issued on all plastic bags (under 30 micron thickness) which caused environmental degradation and clog-ups in drains… this campaign has been pretty successful so far. And finally, wind energy is also about to be implemented in Pakistan… also, through a collaborative deal with the city govt. a Belgian firm is installing a recycling plant in Khi that can recycle up to 10,000 tons of waste. Check out the issues of Dawn newspaper within last week, they have authentic, factual information; they’ve got up-to-date info, from problems to solutions and implementations. Am I glad that at least we have a sensible city govt. who are taking some practical steps to resolve our problems. :insha: things are going to get better.