Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
I m tottaly agree with arshad5 here. MQM's senator Babar Khan Ghauri is federal minister for Ministry of Ports and Shipping since 2004. He is mainly responible for the developments of new ports in pakistan. For Gawadar port, his performance is zero so far.
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New portS? As in plural? lmao.
Now you need to learn a lesson today. A minister would be responsible for the ports but not for making new ports. Making a new port is a huge project which involves the various levels of government. You really think one puny minister could make or break such a huge project as Gwadar all by himself?
And if he is the one responsible like you say then where is the hue and cry about Babar responsible for it? Many people hate MQM to their guts. Why are they not blaming him if it is he who failed Gwadar?
If you keep aside your prejudiced glasses aside then you would see clearly that Gwadar failed due to security threats in Balochistan. Separatists there, loved by PML and PTI, keep on blowing up gas pipelines and kill laborers from other provinces including foreign engineers. They do it because they are afraid of turning into a minority in their own province.
But of course, for some people blinded by hatred, Baloch traitors attacking Pakistan and wishing to separate, are dearer than MQM.
What you said is a lie and therefore non existent, and what I said is truth which could be confirmed from any news article one may read on Gwadar. For example this one:
The potential of Gwadar Port | DAWN.COM
Gwadar Port is, however, not viable for trans-shipment and transit until Afghanistan is connected by road and rail. The prevailing uncertainty on the political and security fronts in Afghanistan and Balochistan is a significant setback.
What has so far impeded China from carrying out its ambitious plans is** the worsening security in Balochistan**. Baloch nationalist parties contend that the proposed uplift programmes in Gwadar reflect Islamabad’s plan to settle outsiders there which, they believe, would change the demography of the province.
Security is the key issue affecting the implementation of mega-projects in the province. In May 2004, three Chinese engineers were killed and nine others wounded in a terrorist attack in Gwadar. In 2009,** China shelved its $12bn oil-refinery and oil-city project in Gwadar due to security concerns**. China is presently in ‘wait and see’ mode, closely watching developments.
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
Since MQM and Baluch nationalist share the same aim, can we assume that they are both sponsored by our enemies?
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
I m tottaly agree with arshad5 here. MQM's senator Babar Khan Ghauri is federal minister for Ministry of Ports and Shipping since 2004. He is mainly responible for the developments of new ports in pakistan. For Gawadar port, his performance is zero so far.
In any performance based system he would have been dismissed. However the good senator is clever and competent, so we can assume that he senator is only following the policies of MQM.
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
I agree with khoji here, I don’t believe MQM had any part in failure of Gwadar port. Firstly the location is not in MQM jurisdiction, secondly there are many stakeholders involved in success/failure of the project, as indicated for any port to have success it has to be connected to different cities via railroad/highways as well as political stability.
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
Since MQM and Baluch nationalist share the same aim, can we assume that they are both sponsored by our enemies?
What does it have to do with price of onions in China? :D
Baloch separatists are the friends of PML and PTI. Nothing to do with MQM which represents people from across Pakistan, including Punjabis, Gilgitis, Pashtuns, Kashmiris, etc.
Now come back here and say it like a man. Do you or do you not say that MQM is responsible for the failure of Gwadar port?
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You are right that connection of the port to the national highways is important. The national government is responsible for this task, however MQM is an important pillar of the coalition government and holds to ransom the PPP government. The MQM wants to delay for as long as possible Gwadar otherwise Karachi would slowly lose its influence and with it so would MQM.
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What does it have to do with price of onions in China? :D Baloch separatists are the friends of PML and PTI. Nothing to do with MQM which represents people from across Pakistan, including Punjabis, Gilgitis, Pashtuns, Kashmiris, etc.
Now come back here and say it like a man. Do you or do you not say that MQM is responsible for the failure of Gwadar port?
Baluch nationalist and MQM are both sponsored by the West and India.
Yes I am saying that MQM is responsible for hindering the development of Gwadar. How many more times do you need to hear it?
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
I agree with khoji here, I don't believe MQM had any part in failure of Gwadar port. Firstly the location is not in MQM jurisdiction, secondly there are many stakeholders involved in success/failure of the project, as indicated for any port to have success it has to be connected to different cities via railroad/highways as well as political stability.
Thanks.
It is a failure of Pakistani governments that such a big country relies on just one port city. This is bad even for the security of the country.
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Baluch nationalist and MQM are both sponsored by the West and India.
Yes I am saying that MQM is responsible for hindering the development of Gwadar. How many more times do you need to hear it?
Well, you can talk s whole day. Why am I wasting my time on you?
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
I agree with khoji here, I don't believe MQM had any part in failure of Gwadar port. *Firstly the location is not in MQM jurisdiction, * secondly there are many stakeholders involved in success/failure of the project, as indicated for any port to have success it has to be connected to different cities via railroad/highways as well as political stability.
That point is to be noted. Inspite of ministery for shipping of port, what kind of jurisdiction do you want for MQM. I think you want a "jurisdiction" like in karachi they have. as in Gawadar is not in MQM "jurisdiction", they are not interested in development of Gawadar port.
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Is the security situation of Balochistan normal? Secondly the issue seems to be political as well, Singapore Port authority is leaving and China would be taking over the port after that.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/NI05Cb01.html
The deal between the government and the Singaporean company was thwarted by the security situation in Balochistan, which hindered PSA from investing the money it had promised for the development of the port and off-shore infrastructure, but PSA decided to give up on the project since problems were compounded by a Supreme Court decision in December 2010 to issue a stay order against the allotment of Gwadar land to a foreign company, following petitions from individuals.
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
New portS? As in plural? lmao. Now you need to learn a lesson today. A minister would be responsible for the ports but not for making new ports. Making a new port is a huge project which involves the various levels of government.
New portS? As in plural? lmao. Now you need to learn a lesson today.
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you mean keep ports neat and clean?
You should put word "development" your sentence so that it make sense.
Development - means a progression from simpler or lower to a more advanced, mature, or complex form or stage. And Gawadar port is at simpler stage.
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A minister would be responsible for the ports but not for making new ports. Making a new port is a huge project which involves the various levels of government.
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where did i talk about making new ports. I think you want to write an article on making new ports.
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
My understanding is that PSA has said that GOP failed to deliver on its part of the deal i.e to give extra X acres to PSA (as PN took possession of land that was mean’t for port expansion and refused to return it) and the highways linking Gwadar to the rest of the country in particular M-8 motorway was not completed. Therefore it was pointless for them to spend more money on the port when they could not transport the goods to the rest of the country.
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^ Navy was supposed to give 584 acres of land to PSA, but they refused. I think more than government this has something to do with security establishment who are running the roost in the province for the past 8 years. It seems as if there is some pressure from the Chinese on Pakistani government, and hence Pakistan created hurdles for PSA which caused the project to fail. Secondly the security situation of the province is far from normal. The nationalists of Balochistan also fear that the development of the port will make them a minority in the province, so many factors at play.
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Where there is a will there is way. Who is managing the port is irrelevant so long as they are competent. The Security establishment has nothing to do with not providing enough funds to build the roads, this is the job of Federal Government. The possession by PN of 584 acres is nothing but illegal qabza of land that will be worth billions in years to come. PN already has a base in Ormara therefore it does not need land in Gwadar.
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So much hatred here.
And then we blame different groups members who are not even half educated on the streets of Karachi fighting each other.
**Sorry people, show some good responses rather than throwing sarcasm on each others and mudslinging in every other thread.
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The common focus should be what should be a good solution and remorse for any bad phenomenon, rather than what is shown here in last couple of pages.
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
The good thing to do would be to allocate more resources for law and order in Karachi so that people would feel safer there, and also to develop Gwader to relieve some pressure off Karachi. All parties should work for the betterment of Pakistani and not their own vested interests.