Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
you cannot cleanup this city. MQM has poisoned the mind of common people with ethnicity.
Then why has MQM won seats from Azad Kashmir and Gilgit/Baltistan? Do you really think thousands of Pashtuns who attended MQM's jalsa earlier were brought there on gun point?
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
Cleanup of the city? You can’t even enter the small area of Lyari.
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
shift the provincial capital status to some other city to deal with growing size of karachi.
Very noble idea. As if shifting the FEDERAL capital really helped to stop the growth of the city?!
Why can't you suggest improving other parts of the country so that people don't have to move to Karachi in the first place?
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
Yeah. sara mulba MQM par. Very typical. If Karachi is Mini Pakistan since people from all over the country are here, then why is MQM alone responsible for Karachi plight?
Because MQM started riots in city in mid-80s, they handed guns/ammunitions to teenagers who are now running their own gangs or simply using MQM platform to 'rule' different areas.
I think one problem is that many people come to Karachi for making quick money. They are not interested in solving the city's problems. This is why there hardly are people outside of MQM who appreciate the marvelous job MQM did to improve the city's crumbling infrastructure. While they are enjoying the benefits of MQM's work, they are also blinded by hatred enough that they put all the blame of the city's plight on MQM.
MQM has been in majority ever since they started "participating" in elections so improving Karachi's condition falls on MQM not on parties whose play ground is in Baluchistan, KPK or Punjab (or parties who are a 'minor' player in KHI). People who come here in city from outside for earning do have their share of responsibility but if people who have been living here much longer are not fulfilling their responsibilities then how motivated will be the ones who are coming from outside?
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
oh great, why am I not surprised that khoji showed up?
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
Very noble idea. As if shifting the FEDERAL capital really helped to stop the growth of the city?!
Why can't you suggest improving other parts of the country so that people don't have to move to Karachi in the first place?
yo suggest nothing new but what all major cities of pakistan need.
how can u motivate poeple to move to new citiies?
how can you convince multinational companies to move their country headquaters to other cities?
What to do with, large industries, small industries?
When people move, Capital is thier first priority then Division, District and Tehsil. People exhbit this behavior cuz of ease of finding a job and "thana kacheri" culture in pakistan.
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
Then why has MQM won seats from Azad Kashmir and Gilgit/Baltistan? Do you really think thousands of Pashtuns who attended MQM's jalsa earlier were brought there on gun point?
MQM won just like PPP won election and will again win many seats in next election.
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
oh great, why am I not surprised that khoji showed up?
I picked this thread to reply in the limited time I have, because no one else would say the right thing. MQM may not be perfect. But MQM is not the only one responsible.
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
yo suggest nothing new but what all major cities of pakistan need. how can u motivate poeple to move to new citiies? how can you convince multinational companies to move their country headquaters to other cities? What to do with, large industries, small industries? When people move, Capital is thier first priority then Division, District and Tehsil. People exhbit this behavior cuz of ease of finding a job and "thana kacheri" culture in pakistan.
Headquarters and large industries were in Karachi long after it ceased to be the federal capital. So just moving the capital is not enough to convince people to stop coming.
The only way it is possible is to either destroy Karachi or to develop other areas. Looks like the emphasis of most people is on doing the former rather than latter.
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
Because MQM started riots in city in mid-80s, they handed guns/ammunitions to teenagers who are now running their own gangs or simply using MQM platform to 'rule' different areas.
And what was the reason MQM at that time resorted to violence? Do you know that or are you just pretending to be ignorant?
But in either case, that is past long gone. The topic here is about Karachi real estate losing value, and this current trend is not due to MQM of 80s. Mentioning past here only shows your political prejudices.
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MQM has been in majority ever since they started "participating" in elections so improving Karachi's condition falls on MQM not on parties whose play ground is in Baluchistan, KPK or Punjab (or parties who are a 'minor' player in KHI).
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MQM winning majority seats of the city does not mean that it has been in power all along. The only time it was in power was in Musharraf's time, and that was a golden era for Karachi's development. Ask any Karachiite.
This is the reason why according to that new poll, MQM's votebank in Sindh has increased 22%.
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People who come here in city from outside for earning do have their share of responsibility but if people who have been living here much longer are not fulfilling their responsibilities then how motivated will be the ones who are coming from outside?
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How can you blame people of Karachi or MQM for the dilapidated condition of the city when the city is controlled totally by provincial governments run by MQM's rivals?
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
How can you blame people of Karachi or MQM for the dilapidated condition of the city when the city is controlled totally by provincial governments run by MQM's rivals?
Since 2002 at least, MQM has been a partner in Sindh government. Do they share any responsibility for the well being of the city?
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
Like I said, being a coalition partner does not mean that MQM has been in power all along. MQM did have control from 2002 until the last elections. And the work it did during that time made it become more popular among various sections of people throughout the province.
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
And what was the reason MQM at that time resorted to violence? Do you know that or are you just pretending to be ignorant?
and what was the reason MQM armed teenagers? "vcr becho kk khareedo" was the slogan, today we are seeing the "fruits", as much as we blame Ziaul Haq for overall militancy in country MQM is to be similarly blamed for its 80s blunder.
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
oh bhai, why dont you stick to the topic? Karachi real estate is going down TODAY. Nothing to do with MQM or its politics of 80s.
People like you blame MQM everytime the word Karachi is mentioned. Whether it relates to the subject of discussion or not.
That’s what shows your political prejudice.
Target killing is a huge menace in the city today which is making the population feel insecure. It has always been present in politics but not at the scale today. And here is what IG Sindh says about it:
Karachi—Inspector General Police Sindh Fayyaz Leghari has stated that target-killings in the Metropolis were the results of a deeply-rooted conspiracy to harm Pakistan by destabilizing the country’s economic hub. Holding that target killings were limited to certain areas, IG maintained that ethnic, sectarian & other such differences were exploited by plotters that included drug mafia as well.
IG Sindh answering to a question about rising cases of target killings & extortions admitted that incidents of target killings increased in last many days but held that it was localized & due to ongoing gang war between two Lyari groups.
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
Really? Its going down today? It has nothing to with long-term violence in city? My bad. Then you probably believe the militancy in Pakistan started yesterday only, correct?
I have lived in Karachi, I sat amongst party workers, I sat amongst MQM workers who attacked different party workers, its not like I am sitting somewhere on North Pole discussing about fish in Indian ocean.
Lyari gangs ‘target killing’ in Gulshan Iqbal, now that is hilarious :hehe:
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
Good that you know you are bad.
Yes, the real estate has started going down only recently. Because before this present government, it was actually going up.
If you sat among party workers of various parties then you should have seen that it is not just MQM workers who were targeting others during that time. Rather it was/is mutual.
And while you may not be sitting with those workers anymore, you should be able to read newspapers which clearly mention who is responsible for the recent rise in target killings.
Is Gulshane Iqbal is North Pole? Why is it hilarious?
Now even IG Sindh’s statement is untrustworthy?! Talk about blind hatred and prejudice!
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
I’m stumped you go Khoji :k:
Zulfiqar Mirza and Shahi have their share of target killings, but they are not as ‘big player’ of the city.
So Lyari gangs are chasing each other all around town, they reach Gulshan Iqbal and kill each other. These statements from IG are not full of truth, partial truth may be, after all he has to live in same province.
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
To relieve the pressure of Karachi a new port of Gwador was built and the city was set to take off, however the MQM people don't want Gwador to succeed as it would reduce the importance of Karachi and in turn MQM's influence.
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
To relieve the pressure of Karachi a new port of Gwador was built and the city was set to take off, however the MQM people don't want Gwador to succeed as it would reduce the importance of Karachi and in turn MQM's influence.
Gwadar port has to do with the instability of Balochistan, thats why it has been shelved for now.
Re: Karachi real estate fast losing ground to Lahore, Islamabad
To relieve the pressure of Karachi a new port of Gwador was built and the city was set to take off, however the MQM people don't want Gwador to succeed as it would reduce the importance of Karachi and in turn MQM's influence.
This ignorant reply is another example of what a fool hatred can turn a man into. This stupid conspiracy theory has no basis at all. What influence does MQM have in Balochistan?
Gwadar port project was a pat project of Musharraf. He wanted the port to develop because Pakistan needs a second port. Chinese invested heavily in there. But it didn't work out due to Baloch separatists and nationalists. They were weary of 'outsiders' (read Punjabis, Pashtuns, Karachiites, etc) coming to Balochistan and making Baloch there a minority.
What happens in Balochistan and Gwadar has absolutely nothing to do with MQM or Karachi.
In fact it is better for Karachi to have another port. Such a city will relieve some pressure of migration to Karachi. Karachi is not provided enough resources to adequately care for this huge rise in population every year.
The kind of ideas the poster above shows about MQM are absolutely unbelievable even for me. Even though I know a lot about Pakistan politics. But **this level of hatred is really alarming.
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Ignorant people like this guy should also be reminded of the Zulfiqarabad project. People who opposed this new planned port city were not Urdu speaking people. Rather they were Sindhi speaking people and followers of Sindhi nationalist parties. Their premises was also the conspiracy theory that PPP wants to make a huge city in Sindh so that Karachi could be separated from Sindh. Height of hatred and stupidity.
Just like Baloch, opposers of Zulfiqarabad also maintain that outsiders will move to Sindh and make Sindhis a minority.