Kandahar comes out of the closet.

This is what was rampant in Afghanistan before the Taliban took over, and this is what the US bombing has made it return to, unfortunately…child endangerment in its worst form.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,3-2002019668,00.html

NOW that Taleban rule is over in Mullah Omar’s former southern stronghold, it is not only televisions, kites and razors which have begun to emerge.
Visible again, too, are men with their ashna, or beloveds: young boys they have groomed for sex.

Kandahar’s Pashtuns have been notorious for their homosexuality for centuries, particularly their fondness for naive young boys. Before the Taleban arrived in 1994, the streets were filled with teenagers and their sugar daddies, flaunting their relationship.

It is called the homosexual capital of south Asia. Such is the Pashtun obsession with sodomy — locals tell you that birds fly over the city using only one wing, the other covering their posterior — that the rape of young boys by warlords was one of the key factors in Mullah Omar mobilising the Taleban.

In the summer of 1994, a few months before the Taleban took control of the city, two commanders confronted each other over a young boy whom they both wanted to sodomise.

In the ensuing fight civilians were killed. Omar’s group freed the boy and appeals began flooding in for Omar to help in other disputes.

By November, Omar and his Taleban were Kandahar’s new rulers. Despite the Taleban disdain for women, and the bizarre penchant of many for eyeliner, Omar immediately suppressed homosexuality.

Men accused of sodomy faced the punishment of having a wall toppled on to them, usually resulting in death. In February 1998 three men sentenced to death for sodomy in Kandahar were taken to the base of a huge mud and brick wall, which was pushed over by tank. Two of them died, but one managed to survive.

“In the days of the Mujahidin, there were men with their ashna everywhere, at every corner, in shops, on the streets, in hotels: it was completely open, a part of life,” said Torjan, 38, one of the soldiers loyal to Kandahar’s new governor, Gul Agha Sherzai.

“But in the later Mujahidin years, more and more soldiers would take boys by force, and keep them for as long as they wished. But when the Taleban came, they were very strict about the ban. Of course, it still happened — the Taleban could not enter every house — but one could not see it.”

But for the first time since the Taleban fled, in the past three days, one can see the pairs returning: usually a heavily bearded man, seated next to, or walking with, a clean-shaven, fresh faced youth. There appears to be no shame or furtiveness about them, although when approached, they refuse to talk to a western journalist.

“They are just emerging again,” Torjan said. “The fighters too now have the boys in their barracks. This was brought to the attention of Gul Agha, who ordered the boys to be expelled, but it continues. The boys live with the fighters very openly. In a short time, and certainly within a year, it will be like pre-Taleban: they will be everywhere.”

This Pashtun tradition is even reflected in Pashtun poetry, odes written to the beauty and complexion of an ashna, but it is usually a terrible fate for the boys concerned. It is practised at all levels of Pashtun society, but for the poorer men, having an ashna can raise his status.

“When a man sees a boy he likes — the age they like is 15 or 16 — they will approach him in the street and start talking to him, offering him tea,” said Muhammad Shah, a shop owner. “Sometimes they go looking in the football stadium, or in the cinema (which has yet to reopen).

“He then starts to give him presents, hashish, or a watch, a ring, or even a motorbike. One of the most valued presents is a fighting pigeon, which can be worth up to $400 (£277). These boys are nearly always innocent, but such is the poverty here, they cannot refuse.”

Once the boy falls into the man’s clutches — nearly always men with a wife and family — he is marked for life, although the Kandaharis accept these relationships as part of their culture.

When driven around, ashna sit in the front passenger seat. The back seat is simply for his friends. Even the parents of the boys know in their hearts the nature of the relationship, but will tell people that their son is working for the man. They, like everyone else, will know this is a lie. “They say birds flew with both wings with the Taleban,” Muhammad said. “But not any more.”

oh my God.. :-(
how sad and disgusting.

Avg. Americans, comments please!!!

Please, don't shy away now.

**In the summer of 1994, a few months before the Taleban took control of the city, two commanders confronted each other over a young boy whom they both wanted to sodomise.

In the ensuing fight civilians were killed. Omar’s group freed the boy and appeals began flooding in for Omar to help in other disputes.

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I heard this story earlier and the description is not different from what I had heard but I didn't have the reference.

[NO RACIST COMMENTS]

[This message has been edited by Mr Xtreme (edited January 14, 2002).]

Her is a avg american comments someone needs to shoot that Gul Agha guy and the people there should replace him with someone who won't tolerate these disgusting actions.

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Her is a avg american comments someone needs to shoot that Gul Agha guy and the people there should replace him with someone who won't tolerate these disgusting actions.
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How about also shooting who ever supports that Gul guy. Oh well if you follow that logic it will lead you back to US.

The problem with shooting Gul Agha, is that his men were among the militias that were paid by the Americans to fight against the Taleban.

"Avg. Americans, comments please!!!
Please, don't shy away now."

Yes, how foolish of us to believe that people should be responsible for themselves. Yes, these people are so ignorant that they cannot cope with the concept of personal freedom. How stupid of us not to know that Khandahar is overrun with perverts, and the only thing that was saving the young boys was the noble Taliban. I personally accept responsibility, and will pack my bags for Afgahnistan and tip over some walls on the freaks myself. Happy now?

Is this something that happens just in Kandahar,or is it all Pashtuns,in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Exploitation of children,boys and girls is the most repugnant thing imaginable.They are the most vulnerable in our societies.They should be protected from this sort of abuse.

Ohioguy..

America's basic premise for its massive attacks on Afghanistan was that they wanted to 'free the poor afghans from the clutches of the brutal taliban', and a lot of song and dance has been made since the talibans departure of how the afghanis are now able to get their beards shaven, and how the women can roam around uncovered, and how they can westernize themselves.

Fact is, crime had gone down to almost nil during the taliban rule. Children were not being endangered, and poppy cultivation had been virtually wiped out. All these are social evils. And now America has removed the taliban to reinstate all these vices...things that will keep Afghanistan in the dark ages, regardless of how many Mcdonalds pop up in Kandahar in the next week.

If the Taliban did not support terrorist they would still be in power. When the battle came to our shores it was time to act.

Don't blame the US if people can't handle freedom. The new gov't needs to crack down on this behavior like any other civilized nation. Or at least try.

I guess if anything goes wrong, just blame the US instead of yourself.

The US needs to ship 500 million mirrors to the middle east!

The US needs to ship 500 million mirrors to the middle east!

True…coz they are lying ununsed in America.

And PS…America has harbored, and is harboring terrorists in many cases…supplying them with weapons and training…a start comparison to what you referred to as the behavior of Taliban. But this is fodder for another discussion.

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Is this child molesting practice only in Kandhar or is endemic in other parts of Afghanistan also? Is it kind of cultural thing (like the Burka) or does it exist because there are no other outlets for men to satisfy their lustful motives? Wasn’t Kandahar the holy center of the Taliban movement? What was it about this city that attracted Taliban there so much? I wonder if it were the young boys. I hope that the problem is not as big as it appears from reading your posts. Its just too bad for poor Afghans.

Please don't complaint about such matters. GAYS have equal rights in US, perhaps US will tell new Afghani government to give them 'equal rights' too. Same-sex marriage is allowed in some states in US, may be it will be legalised in Afghanistan now and make it a "FREE" country.

Oh Allah, here is another nation (like nation of Lute), please help ALL mankind, please open minds and hearts of those who have changed "norms", who have "redefined" lots of definition etc.


May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right

Here’s one article that’s interesting.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/nyregion/13GAY.html

“…He added that homosexuality is woven into many features of Islamic history and culture, perhaps in part because of stricter gender segregation than is common in the West. It is mentioned in “The Thousand and One Nights” and other literary works of the Arab world. And Western writers from André Gide to William S. Burroughs have described the Muslim countries of North Africa as places where gay travelers could indulge their passions more freely than they could where they lived. Still, homosexual behavior has always been clandestine.”

then why did God eradicate the people of Lot...

Ohioguy,

your reaction is kind of strange. What do you mean that 'people should be responsible for themselves'? Does that mean that Mayor Rudy's 'zero tolerance' policy in New York was wrong? Perhaps he should have left people to be responsible for themselves?

Braveheart,

Well done. That's an honest answer.

AvgGuy,

that's a cop-out. US cannot duck it's responsibilities here, just like Taleban can't, and neither can the NA or the new rulers of Kandahar. It's not just about you

NYA,

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Is it kind of cultural thing (like the Burka) or does it exist because there are no other outlets for men to satisfy their lustful motives?
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Well according to this article, most of these guys are married. So it looks like they have adequate outlets to satisfy their lust. But maybe not their perversions.

Does that answer your post as well NYC1?

JM: Actually it does not answer my post. If you were to ask these guys/gals of what you view as perversion, I am sure they would disagree with what you have said. For them, it is not a choice but what god made them.

furthermore by your logic, seems as if married muslim guys are more prone to perversion than unmarried gays. Being gay does not= child molestator. But sometimes being married does.

well i don't care what God made them. having sex with 15 yr old boys, (when they are married) is perverted in my view.

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furthermore by your logic, seems as if married muslim guys are more prone to perversion than unmarried gays. Being gay does not= child molestator. But sometimes being married does.
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hmmm..that sounds like the sort of thing a gay guy would say. weird.