Re: Justice Bhagwadas takes a stand..
Quote: Originally Posted by PaKpatriot1 You people who fail to realize the danger of having this corrupt dictator running the country.., Blind supporters of dictators.. If you want to count yourself among them then your more then welcome...
questioning others does not make me a blind supporter of anyone, please mind that in the future, shabash.
if u dont liek black, it does not mean u like white, comprende muchacho? if you are having problems understanding what I am saying just say so, I wille explain again. I have categorically stated, I am not supporting musharraf, and niether does questioning things like 'return to some so called democracy" makes me a military rule fan.
Quote: Originally Posted by PaKpatriot1 Yes you do need to get over the 90's. You people, yes YOU people, need to realize that regardless of what happened in the 90's Pakistan STILL needs democracy and it STILL need functional institutions...
please describe which 'YOU people' are you referringt to, I just need to understand which group some anonymous net politicians i placing me because that determines how seriously I take any posts by that person
Quote: Originally Posted by PaKpatriot1 There are a number of things you forget, no govt was allowed to complete it tenure, so you honestly can assume anything... Nawaz Sharif for example, atleast in his first term, might have done some good.
sure, so as far as not completing its term, good god they did enough damage in the time they did have in office. shudder to think what they would have done in a full term, and yes some good things were accomplished, never said nothing good came out. and not just Nawaz, benazir too probably.
Quote: Originally Posted by PaKpatriot1 Also, dont fool yourself into thinking that the Army wasnt calling the shot behind the scenes...
and, u think they will not be calling teh shots now, behind the scenes? dont fool yourself into thinking that they will not.
Quote: Originally Posted by PaKpatriot1 Also, SIMPLE concept here... A DEMOCRACY, needs time to mature. If each govt is cut of automatically then thats not allowing democracy to mature.
sure, but if the military hand is still there than is it a democracy, of people are acting like czars as our civilian leaders did, would it be a democracy. no right? so our efforts should not be on restoring some version of alleged democracy we supposedly had but stand up and be counted for real democracy.
If the govt is corrupt, then you dont just throw out the govt, you bring it to trial... In a functional democracy, their is accountability, but that accountability can only be developed through strong institutions, SUCH AS AN INDEPENDANT JUDICIARY. In Pakistan, Democracy has never had a chance to mature because each time the military has stepped into destroy it. Thats why I cite India, because despite its dysfuntional sytem, they still managed to keep the system in place... (For all intents and purposes, their democracy has been their greatest strength.. They never had to call an emergency martial law to handle their many insurgencies.._) Also, Musharaf has attacked the civil society, which could potentialy provide the country with a counter weight against the Army and the feudals. Thats another reason why there was so much hope this time, because the ground situation has changed from back in the 90's.
Quote: Originally Posted by PaKpatriot1 Again, A DYSFUNCTIONAL DEMOCRACY WORKS FAR BETTER THEN A FUNCTIONAL DICTATORSHIP..
sure, except i dont call the civilian rule in pakistan as a dysfunctional democracy, I call it a civilian run dictatorship.
Quote: Originally Posted by PaKpatriot1 We almost had a free Judiciary, but Musharaf has wiped that hope out.
and so did the previous civilian dictators who are now jumping up and down for indeoendence of judiciary, thus, we must take them to task and ensure that we support the right people and hold the people responsible. I mean if indoendence of judiciary is so cvritical for us, why are we upset if musharraf has done it and support Nawaz who is asking for reinstatement of the judges when he himself during his tenure attacked judiciary.
again...lets hold everyone accountable, enenmy of my enemy is my friend mentality is not going to get us anywhere.
Rebel, im not supporting Nawaz or Benazir... But a democratic sytem that is truly democratic, even with these two at the helm is preferable over this dictatorship...
A democracy with a real balance of power would inevitably make it so that the corruption these to dabbled in during their previous stints would be checks by the other democratic instituttions. Thats a big difference from the 90's when we had the exective competing with the military for power.
A dysfuntional democracy is preferable over a functional dictatorship... Plaine and simple...
Im not even a supporter of of the Chief Justice per say.. I do support him to the extent that he represents a truly democratic instituition that can provide the first genuine hope for real democracy in Pakistan..
No matter the feelings for Nawaz and BB, all politics aside, the indipendance of the judiciary and media should be top priority in Pakistan..
And we should support, atleast for now, who ever is in support of these institutions and willing to confront Musharaf who is the main hurdle in the way.