These are fairly common, actually. Mostly christianity-based “someone died and is met by St Peter at the heavenly doors”, “someone went to hell and saw this”, “someone given a choice between paradise and hell, and he selected hell” etc etc.
So, a few days ago I was at a get-together with some new people. Someone there, started to tell a similar joke and this one gentlemen hurriedly stood up, mumbled some excuse and ran off to the men’s room. The guy who was saying the joke decided to wait but the others said “just carry on”; so he completed the joke. A few minutes later, the gentleman returned and the conversation continued. A little later someone mentioned that incident ke “where did you ran off too?” and he replied that “listening to or sharing such jokes which mock paradise and hell are strictly forbidden under Islam” and since he didn’t wanted to be impolite so he just prevented himself from listening to the joke instead of creating a scene. And he had planned to politely mention it to the person who said the joke, on the side, so as not to embarass him.
Anyway. I thought it was quite interesting. Anyone of you familiar with this fatwa?
I have heared about back biting...if we can't stop then we must leave the arena...but dunno about the jokes...but it makes sense to me as well...cuz mostly heaven-hell jokes have some angels as characters or God some times... so for a safe side ..we must avoid ...to be on safe!
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I have heared about back biting...if we can't stop then we must leave the arena...but dunno about the jokes...but it makes sense to me as well...cuz mostly heaven-hell jokes have some angels as characters or God some times... so for a safe side ..we must avoid ...to be on safe!
It was very effective and well mannered way of putting his point :k:
Sadly mostly we see that religious people have poor comunication skills and although what they are saying is right but they put it in such a way that people either take offence or just ignore what they are saying.
Most of us forget that we are ambasador for our religion and country, so we should talk carefully.
Good thing you mentioned. I am lately trying very hard to figure-out on how much of back biting we do in gathering of friends.
One of my friend was telling us the summery of development in his office and it involve his comments about his colleagues (which contains back bitting) and then other observations and comments about his other coleagues and boss which contains praise and back biting randomly.
Now it is very hard to pinpoint back bitting in a general disscussion. And how can we avoid it.
^ We should tell the person politely that it is wrong and he should not do this, if he continues to do that we should leave the place and pray for him that May Allah guide him/them
That is according to Quran and you can find a refernce yourself.
**"And when you see those who engage in a false conversation about Our Verses (of the Qur’aan) by mocking at them, stay away from them till they turn to another topic. And if satan causes you to forget, then after the remembrance sit not you in the company of those people who are Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers.) **
Discussing any person’s bad habits or bad deeds which are in fact present in him, while he is not present where the discussion is taking place, is called backbitting in Islam. It is a big sin.
According to my understanding of two-faced. Two-faced is when you are one way when a person is present, then when his/her back is turned you talk bad about him/her. (Am I right, in seeing the connection)
As a person of faith, I think it is wrong. Doesn't matter what the religion is.
I personally believe that if I am saying something that would make me feel uncomfortable about a person if they walked in the room or that I would not say if they were in the room, then I am probably saying something wrong. Or it could be considered wrong, therefore I should not be saying it.
That is how I make the distinction.
Interesting about the prophet. So would Muslims think it is bad to make jokes about any of the prophets, or only Muhammad?
According to my understanding of two-faced. Two-faced is when you are one way when a person is present, then when his/her back is turned you talk bad about him/her. (Am I right, in seeing the connection)
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That is more a definiton of a hypocrite but again hypocrite is a back biter as well ...
interesting thread and I mostly agree with it, if not entirely.:k:
I just wondered (honestly):
such jokes about heaven/hell/ayahs/Allah/angels can be seen as a form of disrespect, right? and when we hear such jokes (=disrespect) we mostly agree that we will leave the room…so I wonder how come in certain cases people would go on and call names/fight/ and even slit throats? Is there a special form of disrespect which asks for a different approach from leaving the room and praying for that person?
Code just wanted to make a minor but major correction here!
There are two things
Geebat (back Biting)
Boohtaan (False accusation)
Geebat si the act in which we do talk only true things about a person in his/her absence and those he/she may not want to be discuss with any one in his/her absence …
This is creats a FITNA in Umma’t and is strongly prohibited in Islam… it is considered as to eat the meat of our dead brother…
** Boohtaan ** As you can is false allegation and this is also done in presence or absence both…and this is double than Geebat cuz it is an allegation which does not exists and is false!
Price for this is much higher than geebat!
We can distinguish very easily whether it’s a geebat or not…just put yourself in place of that person and think about that if you will like or not…if you think really it is ok to discuss about you in your absence then should be fine but if not then you must stop them either or leave! Else you will be considers as back biter as well…
Allah ham sab ko bachai aamin…
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Code just wanted to make a minor but major correction here!
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Minor but major? :-)
I don't think Code_Red said anything incorrect either. You just expanded the discussion to include "buhtaan". Right? By the way, about "buhtaan" you said whether in 'presence or absence'. Thats not quite true... cz its buhtaan only if its done in their absence.. if they say something wrong about you on your face, its just a lie, not "buhtaan". You can correct it right there. "Buhtaan" is when you are not there to defend yourself. :)
Anyway, the discussion was on jokes... not backbiting. Thanks.
I have read somewhere that an old woman came to AnHazoor (saw) and asked if she will go to heaven. AnHazoor (saw) replied, no old woman will go to heaven. She got upset, but AnHazoor (saw) calmed her down saying, don't worry, all spirits will be young in paradise!
It's a classic, even better than the khajoor joke he pulled on some sahaba!
looks minor but is major I meant…but thats not the issue!
about Bohataan …I can do it you face too…like if I say you have not offered todays’s Fajr namaz…if you had prayed then its a Bohtaan on you… the issue is I just said it randomly …I have not proof about it… its lie as well but the whole act is called as Bohtaan…
you can say k Ata nay faisal par bohtaan lagaya hay… and bohtaan is always such thing which is based on always a lie…it could be done on face or behind both but back biting is always done on back and always a truth but not liked by the person!
anyways…just thought to expand more!
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