Once few Sahabi with Prophet Muhammad :saw: was sitting and eating dates…one Sahabi was putting the seeds infront of another Sahabii…
when they were all done …Sahabi who put the seeds in front of other Sahabi said…k This Sahabi has eaten more dates than any one!
Then that Sahabi replied to the Sahabi who had put seeds in his front that, “yeah I eat more but he eat all dates with seeds”…
and they all laughed
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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
So, is it ok to lie, or exagerrate or twist a fact when you are saying a joke?
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That was a real joke in real time infront of people who all were present there and there was false allegation there...
and it then is taken as a sweet joke by Sahabi's...
you can compare those jokes to this joke and if you think its ok...then upto you...
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*Originally posted by ?: *
you can compare those jokes to this joke and if you think its ok...then upto you...
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I am NOT saying this joke is comparable to the issue in the first post.
I am just asking a separate question in response to the example you quoted, that it seems its ok to lie or exagerrate in order to make a joke funny, as long as all involved are present there and there is no backbiting, funny or otherwise. :)
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"listening to or sharing such jokes which mock paradise and hell are strictly forbidden under Islam"
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Ok I'll agree on that statement even though it doesn't sit right completely when more than enough men fantasize about "hoor". I wonder if they have a fatwa on fantasizing about hoors.
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and since he didn't wanted to be impolite so he just prevented himself from listening to the joke instead of creating a scene. And he had planned to politely mention it to the person who said the joke, on the side, so as not to embarass him.
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Poorly executed point by the gentleman if you ask me.
He did create a scene. His plan did not work out as planned and neither was he polite. Also, he was involved in gheebat by talking behind the persons back if I'm not mistaken.
After its all said and done, sounds like he was the scene and yet another attention seeker.
I am not here to defend the gentleman or his execution. The issue of jokes involving paradise and hell was a new thing for me, thats all, and thats the point of this thread.
By the way, how are you supposed to tell others about Islamic rulings if you can’t talk about it when you see someone doing something wrong?
Privately, and to the person rather than telling you and everyone else.
Well, ideally you or me or anyone for that matter are not suppose to mock God’s creation as HE frowns upon it. Its like telling an artist that his sketch is horrible. Surely, it will hurt or infuriate him and the consequences of it vary depending on the artist.
Yes I have read something where it states it is inappropriate to tell such jokes. I had a source but I have misplaced my book. If I find it and I remember, I will put it here, insha'Allah.
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*Originally posted by CocoNut: *
Privately, and to the person rather than telling you and everyone else.
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So, if you know of an Islamic ruling, and you know it will be beneficial to everyone in the group... you are supposed to only tell it privately to that one person, whom you see violate it? Interesting... it will take a lot of mistakes by everyone else, before they are all informed about the correct ruling.
Doesn't seem like a very efficient way of spreading knowledge.
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*Originally posted by CocoNut: *
Well, ideally you or me or anyone for that matter are not suppose to mock God's creation as HE frowns upon it. Its like telling an artist that his sketch is horrible. Surely, it will hurt or infuriate him and the consequences of it vary depending on the artist.
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And how is this relevant ...... ?
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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
So, if you know of an Islamic ruling, and you know it will be beneficial to everyone in the group... you are supposed to only tell it privately to that one person, whom you see violate it? Interesting... it will take a lot of mistakes by everyone else, before they are all informed about the correct ruling.
Doesn't seem like a very efficient way of spreading knowledge.
And how is this relevant ...... ?
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Well from where I'm standing, you are about to interrupt a joke just to tell a person that they are wrong. While informing everyone, you have also ridiculed the comedian.
Would you rather risk humiliating the person in front of the group or later explaining to them of what you thought? What makes you so sure that he would not lash out for criticizing the person telling the jokes?
Now if you are proactively trying to spread the seed or message of a correct ruling, why not save him the shred of dignity and start it off as a seperate subject subtley instead of pointing out what the comedian has done. Sometimes a "slap on the wrist in front of the class" technique is not as effective. This way there is no pointing fingers and everyone is well informed.
Relevance was in response to what you asked initially about the fatwa mocking God's creation.