Joining Pak Army

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Wow! You should blog about the whole experience some day, would love to read!

Clearing all those tests is an achievement in itself, larki!

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Pak Army sells weapons, tanks and low class jets to Sri Lanka and other small countries. Our army is also one of the best army of world. We plan stuff accordingly and can make any country like Afghanistan. Army also heavily depend on direct funding from US government because Army is the only established institute of Pakistan to whom American can trust.

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To answer your question, yes there are government institutions that give their employees all of this eg. CDA, OGDCL, RDA etc. And they get subsidies too (utilities, rent, medical, education). And before you say anything about the authenticity of what I said here.. I am talking from first hand experience here. =)

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I am specifically asking about people working as engineers, teachers and doctors in government service. CDA, RDA etc have a job regarding development of properties and if they give land to their employees, nothing wrong with that. OGDCL is a 'company', so no comparison.

I am not against giving officers all those benefits. I am just saying such benefits should be equitable to all those in government service. I am not very sure that a police officer's or a doctor's job is so much less valuable than a military officer's job suggested by the imbalance in perks provided. So, to answer the OP, I wrote that life as a military officer is not at all a bad one, given all the perks you get.

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Teachers working under the FPSC get all those benefits I stated. Engineers working for the government (eg. under the PAEC and Ministry of Science and Technology) get all these benefits too. Doctors working for the federal government get the same benefits. A police officer gets almost all the benefits a military officer gets (just no plots for lower grades).

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And I completely understand where you're coming from Kakaballi when you say benefits should be equally awarded to all the government employees. I thought the same way until I started seeing these people work. I've seen both sides and believe me when I say this, a civilians job requires half the effort needed in comparison to a military job. They send them to areas civilians would never even dream to go and they make them work that much in one day which a civilian does in 4 days. And they give them such a hard time... it's really daunting.

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Here one gave you a wrong information ,Every officer gets a 20 Marla plot in DHA besides other much more . Askaries are being built on state land .
A judge who passes whole life very carefully even avoids his relatives gets no plot any where and much little on retirement and no facility after that . A judge is much qualified than than these officers .

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You are talking about selected elite engineers and teachers who are lucky enough to find ‘lucrative’ seats. I really really wish school teachers had the same respect in my country as military officers. Not in my lifetime, I suppose. I have lived enough days with my family and friends working for military and other government services to know the difference and I suppose being close to military, you have also. Lets not assume its not there.

Can our royal armed officers imagine living on peanuts that their counterparts in India do?

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  • NUST got a whole sector of land from govt. and gets most of its funding from govt. (HEC) so I don't understand why would they want to give a large quota and ask for much lesser fees from army kids. Secondly, I have friends who are doing jobs there as faculty members and they talk all the time about the nasty attitude they have to face being civilians.

    • If anyone deserves plots its the people who make the best contributions to the country and by that I mean the scientists, the brilliant professors, the researchers and others. These are the guys who are the most neglected.

I think that people are now waking up all around pakistan and realizing that they are not merely insects and have some rights too. Hence all these thoughts that we have.

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^ the army kids that do study in NUST are bound to serve the army after graduation, otherwise they have to pay back the expenses incurred to the institution. Army has is signals/telecommunications core and they need people for that, and these cadets they prepare for that. It's not as big as as issue as you are making it to be.

The perks that the military gets, plots, jobs after retirement, kickbacks in big projects and total budget (in terms of pakistani budget) can be discussed though.

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The issue in Pakistan is that the army has ruled the country for far too long as a 'subject'. For around 55 years we have given them with all the love and respect, and always got contempt from them. They spend a big chunk of our budget, but still they they have failed to deliver in their primary duties (ensuring security for us internally or externally). Most of our woes are due to the wrong policies of our ruling military elite, although they form a small proportion of the whole army but this prompts people to question the whole army as an institute.

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^ ditto what Ali has said. I mean just look at this thread and you will see a guy from probably an army background calling us civilians as leeches. The irony is that these guys are distributing pakistani land among themselves like sweets but they call us leeches.

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Dear Directorni, If you are seriously looking for facts then this is a very wrong place to look for such kind of info. Most people here belong to the privileged class themselves who are feeding on corruption one way or another, who live secluded lives away from reality and have little knowledge of the society they live in, how can they give correct info about an organization that is spread through the length and breadth of the country?

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^ thats your own assessment, there are many middle class people on the forum including me. At the end of the day the decision would be of the guy.

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Without a singular logical response, you have ranted on against the army without any weight to your arguments. I have replied to each of your allegations, which can be verified easily.
I already mentioned that I am a civilian, from a civilian background. When I referred to leeches, I was clearly referring to the real estate agents who lap up DHA plots and Askari homes, and resell them for a huge premium. And the buyers again are civilians, who are willing to pay any price asked for. All politicians have bungalows in DHA, which they bought from corruption money. They are leeches, for sure.

Regarding NUST, you have been so off. I already gave you an incomplete list of Military schools that NUST leases in order to pass on education to civilians. Obviously, they would be imparting low cost, or free education to military kids, and cadets, while charging civilians for the privilege. Its common logic. Happens in all major schools/colleges, where children of teachers get low cost, or even free education, while others have to pay through their noses.

Now lets talk about the Pakistani land that you so highly speak of. Historically, all DHA and Askari colonies have been built way out of city limits. Look at DHA Lahore. It used to be considered to be in a remote village, until it got setup and populated by officers. And then it became a 'posh' locality, with every overnight millionaire belonging to one political party or the other buying a place there.
Now compare that to the lands occupied by Wapda and Railway. Till a few years ago, Railway used to own the famous golf course in Lahore, until they went bankrupt and sold it to Royal Palm. Your civilian organizations have had access to prime lands in the middle of the city, which they have converted to dumps, thanks to corruption and nepotism. In contrast, DHA and Askari colonies are built on land outside the city, near places like Bhatta chowk, Bedian Road, which no politician would have thought of relocating to till DHA got setup there.

Sad state of affairs in our country, where people just want to target the armed forces in order to find a scapegoat for the failure of our civilian setup.

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The millitary just like any other organization is born out the same society people live in. Changing same bosses (millitary or civilians) from the same society is hardly going to reflect on the performance of the country.

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Hain jee? People here are extremely knowledgeable and reliable and have much more devotion to the country than foreigners like you and I. So I respectfully disagree with your perception. GS in general is the perfect place to ask questions related to Pakistan, it is the most comprehensive Pakistan forum out there and it is so because of its members.

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Army guys are in no way superior to civilians, period ! that's a backward mindset installed by the british masters and one that will soon go away as times are changing.

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I know you have to say that because of your designation but I agree to that part.

I am not a foreigner BTW.